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02-15-2013, 02:29 PM
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I'd rather just keep Eller. Play him with Cole and Prust/Pacioretty tomorrow and scratch Desharnais.
I thought Desharnais was very dangerous and quick last night, makes no sense to scratch him.

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02-15-2013, 02:31 PM
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Eller will never be a top 6 forward on a good team aspiring to win something. He doesn't have the skill or offensive IQ for that. His place is on a third line somewhere with physical teammates or they have to move him. Please stop talking about trading DD..he has no trade value.

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02-15-2013, 02:35 PM
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You clearly know absolutely nothing about O'Reilly.

You think he peaked at 55 points as a 20-21 year old player........RIDICULOUS!

He is anything but soft as he plays a very gritty game and is very good defensively. At 6'0 205 lbs he brings decent size and goes to the tough areas on the ice. This board can be downright embarrassing with the lack of knowledge displayed by so many here.

He is far better than Eller right now and that gap will only increase as they get older.
what do you think is his upside? I think Eller can be a lot better, but I'm not convinced O'Reilly can be a lot better than he was last year. It's pretty reasonable to assume Eller develops into a 50 point center, so that means O'reilly would be at least a 70-75 point guy down the road in your eyes?

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new management doesnt give much for Gauthier's stupidity. Was probably true last year. got fleeced on that deal, it happens.

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Eller will never be a top 6 forward on a good team aspiring to win something. He doesn't have the skill or offensive IQ for that. His place is on a third line somewhere with physical teammates or they have to move him. Please stop talking about trading DD..he has no trade value.
why would DD have no trade value?

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new management doesnt give much for Gauthier's stupidity. Was probably true last year. got fleeced on that deal, it happens.
Who or what is this reponding to? Because it doesn't fit anywhere.

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Eller will never be a top 6 forward on a good team aspiring to win something. He doesn't have the skill or offensive IQ for that. His place is on a third line somewhere with physical teammates or they have to move him. Please stop talking about trading DD..he has no trade value.
Maybe...but if would be nice if the organization gave him a real shot, like they did with DD, to see if he can.

Instead of letting an other organization find out for us

But that's just me...

The coaching is going to have to start being accountable themselves, they preach 'team philosophy' yet don't always apply it. I understand Desharnais deserves a chance after his year, last year...but time is running out.

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why would DD have no trade value?
Because no team will give you anything for an undrafted 5'5 center that can only play in your top six. Nor is any team looking for or want a 5'5 center.

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Eller will never be a top 6 forward on a good team aspiring to win something. He doesn't have the skill or offensive IQ for that. His place is on a third line somewhere with physical teammates or they have to move him. Please stop talking about trading DD..he has no trade value.
His skills while skating with the puck seem very good. It's that offensive
decision making that seems to be lacking. Yet he seems to make quick, good
decisions deep in his own zone, even under pressure. So maybe he'll get better.
And if he remains a third line type, I think he's already better than average in
that role. He certainly has the tools to become a very elite 3rd line player.

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Maybe...but if would be nice if the organization gave him a real shot, like they did with DD, to see if he can.

Instead of letting an other organization find out for us

But that's just me...

The coaching is going to have to start being accountable themselves, they preach 'team philosophy' yet don't always apply it. I understand Desharnais deserves a chance after his year, last year...but time is running out.
I simply don't see the point of trading Eller now unless we can get ROR back(with minimal addition) and at a reasonable contract. If we trade Eller for picks and prospects then it's probably a dumb trade. Unless it's good good to refuse, let him develop, he still has a cheap contract and another level or two he can move up to.

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Because no team will give you anything for an undrafted 5'5 center that can only play in your top six. Nor is any team looking for or want a 5'5 center.
1) Draft position has no bearing on trade value
2) He is 5'7 not 5'5
3) 60 point centers are tons of trade value

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I simply don't see the point of trading Eller now unless we can get ROR back(with minimal addition) and at a reasonable contract. If we trade Eller for picks and prospects then it's probably a dumb trade. Unless it's good good to refuse, let him develop, he still has a cheap contract and another level or two he can move up to.
Trading Eller for ROR does nothing for us. There is still a log jam at center and if ROR is really looking for 5 million a year as reported then you can rest assure it's not Bergevin's type of guy

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Because no team will give you anything for an undrafted 5'5 center that can only play in your top six. Nor is any team looking for or want a 5'5 center.
What does undrafted have to do with anything? I can make a pretty strong NHL team with just undrafted guys.

I'm sure a lot of teams would take a 5'5" center if he can improve their offense and help their team. Ottawa Nashville Phoenix Calgary NYI Vancouver would surely take him right now.

Given his cap hit and last year's production, I think it would be dumb for MB to trade him for anything less than very good value.

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1) Draft position has no bearing on trade value
2) He is 5'7 not 5'5
3) 60 point centers are tons of trade value
If another GM thinks DD can get 60 points in the role he has open
on his team, then he has trade value. Otherwise, DD is a powerplay
specialist on many teams. And maybe cheap insurance if a top 6 center
gets hurt.
He may have more value to the habs this year. Because we shouldn't
overuse Chucky yet, and it't unclear if Eller is a good enough playmaker
to takeover DD's role.

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Maybe...but if would be nice if the organization gave him a real shot, like they did with DD, to see if he can.

Instead of letting an other organization find out for us

But that's just me...

The coaching is going to have to start being accountable themselves, they preach 'team philosophy' yet don't always apply it. I understand Desharnais deserves a chance after his year, last year...but time is running out.
Yes I agree if they could keep him they should. The thing about Desharnais is he can't play anywhere else except in top 6. No matter how bad of a season he is having, he is very skilled and on the power play when he has space, I prefer seeing him out there with other skilled forwards. In the long run I know he will not survive and habs will not win anything with him in the top 2 centers. But for now this team desperately needs skill anywhere they can find it and until they can get another real top 2 center he will play.

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ROR scored a lot by playing with Landeskog. He wants 4 million a year.

In contrast, Eller's top linemate was Moen. He gets 1.5 million a year.

Enough said.

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Trading Eller for ROR does nothing for us. There is still a log jam at center and if ROR is really looking for 5 million a year as reported then you can rest assure it's not Bergevin's type of guy
That's the other part, there would have to be some kind of an agreement on contract even before a deal is swung. But my post was assuming MB can sign a contract he likes.

I don't consider it a log jam at center, a lot of the top teams are stacked at center and most play centers on the wing, gives them added depth...Boston, LA, Detroit, Pittsburgh(pre Staal trade), Phillie(cup run 3 years ago).

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Given his cap hit and last year's production, I think it would be dumb for MB to trade him for anything less than very good value.
Teams don't want 5'5 center unless they are desperate, like habs were. That's why he is undrafted. And no team will give you anything close to what his value is based on one good season on a mediocre team. He is very limited, he cannot play on a 3rd or 4th line and also is not good enough to crack a top 6 on a good team.

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That's the other part, there would have to be some kind of an agreement on contract even before a deal is swung. But my post was assuming MB can sign a contract he likes.

I don't consider it a log jam at center, a lot of the top teams are stacked at center and most play centers on the wing, gives them added depth...Boston, LA, Detroit, Pittsburgh(pre Staal trade), Phillie(cup run 3 years ago).
Pittsburgh is probably an exception cause of the drafting

I agree about being stacked, but having ROR for example on the 3rd line at 4-5 million just doesn't make sense. If the plan is to trade for ROR and have him play a #1 or 2 with Galchenyuk and moving Plekanec in 2 years from now then I would be all in for it, but right now it doesn't make sense

The team that should go after him in the East is Ottawa. They have the prospects to acquire him and are in big need of a center besides Spezza and Turris

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ROR scored a lot by playing with Landeskog. He wants 4 million a year.

In contrast, Eller's top linemate was Moen. He gets 1.5 million a year.

Enough said.
And DD got 60 points last year and is paid 865k...

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Habs management has, rightly so IMO, decided that Eller is not Top 2 center, and since the habs have 3 centers currently working for the top 2 spots, there is NO ROOM for Eller on the top 2.

Habs are playing him at 3rd line center to build up his value, as there seems to be some interest in Eller from other GM's who maybe think he would be a good 2nd line center.

So... now way the Habs play him 2nd line center as it would:

1. take time away from our other centers playing for top 2

and just as importantly

2. Playing Eller at #2 will expose him as not capable and reduce his trade value!

That's my reasoning for why Eller will not see more time at center.

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02-15-2013, 03:22 PM
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Teams don't want 5'5 center unless they are desperate, like habs were. That's why he is undrafted. And no team will give you anything close to what his value is based on one good season on a mediocre team. He is very limited, he cannot play on a 3rd or 4th line and also is not good enough to crack a top 6 on a good team.
Why can't he play 3rd line?

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Chucky 1C
Plek 2C
DD 3C

Is that a horrible top 3C? Because I sure don't think so. Plek is a fantastic 2-way player, and he is still 30 years old, plenty of time left in his career.

Eller is great; it would be optimal to have him on the medium-to-long term instead of Plek or DD, maybe. That doesn't mean we shouldn't take great upside opportunities if they present themselves.
That is a problematic top-3.

DD is only useful in the offensive zone against scrubs. That top-3 takes the best minutes away from the offensive superior plekanec and galchenyuk.

In contrast, Eller can start in the defensive zone against top scorers, which liberate the top-2 to score a lot of goals.


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Pittsburgh is probably an exception cause of the drafting

I agree about being stacked, but having ROR for example on the 3rd line at 4-5 million just doesn't make sense. If the plan is to trade for ROR and have him play a #1 or 2 with Galchenyuk and moving Plekanec in 2 years from now then I would be all in for it, but right now it doesn't make sense

The team that should go after him in the East is Ottawa. They have the prospects to acquire him and are in big need of a center besides Spezza and Turris
I don't see the problem in having 3 strong lines. Chicago had Bolland on the 3rd LA had stoll, Pittsburgh Staal. You can always play a center on wing when needed like Malkin with Crosby or Carter with Richards, Datsyuk with Zetterberg.

If you want DD and Eller in your top 9, then play them together with Cole. DD is the "offensive center" as the puck distributor and Eller the "defensive center" as faceoff and defensive guy. Their strengths complement each other.

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And DD got 60 points last year and is paid 865k...
The fact the team as a whole was constructed to suit DD's needs is a reason for the last place finish.

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