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IF you had to trade one, who would it be?

View Poll Results: If you had to trade one, who would it be?
Eller 26 11.02%
Desharnais 210 88.98%
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02-15-2013, 02:41 PM
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Playing the devil's advocate here..

-Desharnais produced over PPG pace 2 years in a row in the AHL.
-DD's produced 60 points in the NHL
-Eller (with worse minutes and linemates) produced 28 points. We don't know for sure what his offensive upside is. He could have a 45 point ceiling for all I know...
-DD's always been a Plus player in the AHL and NHL
-Cause and Effect has not been clearly determined in the MaxPac-Cole-DD slow-motion car crash. Did all 3 just decide not to suit up this season? Is it Cole? What's up with MaxPac?
My view:

Neither has what it takes to be a true top 2 centre. Eller lacks the natural hockey sense, DD lacks the size and speed.

Seeing as neither will be a good top 2 centre, you are stuck slotting them in at #3.

Eller has the size and physical tools to develop into a decent 2-way centre on the 3rd line. DD could become a good PP specialist that otherwise is used in a supporting role for offense.

With the team's current depth chart, I simply see a higher likelyhood of Eller becoming the kind of 3rd line centre we need rather than DD. If DD is going to be the guy, we need more physicality in the top 6 to be able to eat tougher minutes.

In other words, you either give the tough minutes to your top 6 or to your 3rd line. If DD is the 3rd line pivot, the tougher minutes will be going to Pleks and Galchenyuk. If Eller is the 3rd line C, he will be able to handle the tougher minutes, giving the easier matchups to our better offensive stars.

That's how I see it. I would rather a 3rd line that eats tough minutes than not.

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02-15-2013, 02:42 PM
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Both.

DD is too small. Eller lacks the skill.

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I wouldnt move either.

I wouldnt mind trying Desharnais back at winger right now. Actually:

Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
Pac - Eller - Cole
Desharnais - Galchenyuk - Gallagher

Not that it's a given it would works, but Therrien is protecting the kids enough (good matchups that this might actually works, on the small side however.)

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02-15-2013, 02:50 PM
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If you asked me who would I want to be more successful, easily Eller. But DD has had some success, that I think ppl don't give him fully give him credit for.

But if DD doesn't pick up his play soon, you can't really put too much faith in him going forward.

One thing that bothers me in regards to Eller, is under 3 different coaches he has found a way to get into the dog house. I'm not hockey expert, but I don't excatly see what they see, but its got to be something that he needs to improve on that they are seeing.
Most young players spend time in the doghouse regardless off the coach, it's part of the learning process. You are reading too much into it, Galchenyuk and Gallagher spend long stretches on the bench after shifts where they get hemmed into their zone.

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02-15-2013, 02:51 PM
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When I read the title of this thread, I was sure it was about DD ans Eller.

A never ending and pathetic story.


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02-15-2013, 03:04 PM
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We should have a limit on small bodies allowed-3, maybe 2.
Pleks, Gionta, Gally are enough. Actually, I'd even be content to lose Gionta too.

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Desharnais, although Eller should get his **** together.

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Eller or Desharnais?
Desharnais

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02-15-2013, 03:08 PM
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Desharnais, although Eller should get his $hi! together.
You obviously don't watch much hockey, as Eller has been playing fairly well since he's been removed from the lineup.

You can only do so much playing on the 4th line with Hands of Stone Moen and The Invisible Man Armstrong.

DD on the other hand... been spoonfed PP time / 1st line minutes since the beginning of the season. Aside from his shootout goal vs Tampa, he hasn't really done anything for the team this year. Watchin him on the boards is painful, everytime he gets tossed away like a paper bag by bigger and stronger opponents.

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02-15-2013, 03:10 PM
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ppl are so insecure about size around here.

We have only 4 forwards under 6" in the lineup, and two of them a grinding winger in Gionta and Gallagher.

The only size issue for Mtl is on D, we have no 1 d-men over 6'1, but Tinordi and Bealieau should help fix that.

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02-15-2013, 03:12 PM
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When I read the title of this thread, I was sure it was about DD ans Eller.

A never ending and pathetic story.

I don't see it as a pathetic story. There has been a lot of discussion on
the subject. And moving foward I believe one will eventually have to be moved. I was just curious as to what our fanbase, hf fan base, thinks and who they would move if the choice was up to them.

In 2 years or so our d core should be established

markov emelin
subban gorges
tinordi beaulieu...for arguments sake


Assuming AGally becomes a true number one center

Agally
Pleks
Eller/Desharnais
4th line center WHO CAN WIN FACEOFFS DAMMIT!!!

I believe that we can end up making a trade for a potential superstar winger by giving up a first rounder, or two if necessary and/or one/two player(s) or from our current roster or whatever is needed for a superstar winger, if possible of course.


So in conclusion I feel either Eller or Desharnais will eventually have to be moved.

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02-15-2013, 03:12 PM
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The real poll should be - Does Desharnais last the season in Montreal? My guess is no.

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02-15-2013, 03:13 PM
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We should have a limit on small bodies allowed-3, maybe 2.
Pleks, Gionta, Gally are enough. Actually, I'd even be content to lose Gionta too.
My thoughts exactly. Gallagher and Gionta are enough. Pleks isnt that small though. I also think Gionta wont be resigned.

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02-15-2013, 03:14 PM
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DD:. 88 points in 143 games

Eller: 52 points in 174 games.


DD is paid 500k less than Eller.

Of course, Eller is tall, blond, beautiful -

DD is small, not attractive and most of all born in Quebec.

So for all these "great" reasons, Eller must be kept and DD traded to Chicago.... In the AHL, because of course, DD is not NHL caliber.

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ppl are so insecure about size around here.

We have only 4 forwards under 6" in the lineup, and two of them a grinding winger in Gionta and Gallagher.

The only size issue for Mtl is on D, we have no 1 d-men over 6'1, but Tinordi and Bealieau should help fix that.
I remember a time when our fanbase thought Koivu was too small to be a center. But now Desharnais isnt too small? Am i missing something?

This isnt a shot at you, i just chose to quote your post but im speaking to the general fanbase.

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We should have a limit on small bodies allowed-3, maybe 2.
Pleks, Gionta, Gally are enough. Actually, I'd even be content to lose Gionta too.
Plekanec is 5'11" 196lbs and strong on his skates, I wouldn't consider him a "small body" by any means.

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02-15-2013, 03:19 PM
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Desharnais, although Eller should get his $hi! together.
He's playing with Moen and Armstrong on the 4th line.

He had limited PP time (voir; almost none) and plays the PK.

What else do we expect from him considering the context?

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Plekanec is 5'11" 196lbs and strong on his skates, I wouldn't consider him a "small body" by any means.
No but he is afraid of his own shadow

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02-15-2013, 03:21 PM
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I remember a time when our fanbase thought Koivu was too small to be a center. But now Desharnais isnt too small? Am i missing something?

This isnt a shot at you, i just chose to quote your post but im speaking to the general fanbase.
I wasn't one of those, but size does matter, but its not everything, for example in the past, we not only had a small top 6 forward group, but our bottom 6 was not gritty and lacked size, we had Metropolit, Pyatt, all playing bottom 6 six. Its not the same case now, so have a smaller players isn't as much of an issue as it was.

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I remember a time when our fanbase thought Koivu was too small to be a center. But now Desharnais isnt too small? Am i missing something?

This isnt a shot at you, i just chose to quote your post but im speaking to the general fanbase.
There's the better part of half a foot of difference between the two though. I know they say DD is 5'6, but I think they took those measurements with his skates on.

I'm not obsessed with size, but when discussing Desharnais it's a definite issue, especially since he plays center. It's a reality that's impossible to ignore. If he was 5'5 and didn't get knocked off the puck constantly, or was really good on faceoffs, perhaps, but those are actually his weakness, and that's not what you look for in a C.

That being said, size is only 1 factor. His lack of production is the main issue. I think we need to give him more time, but it's impossible to ignore that he's struggling, his size is an obvious issue night in and night out (again, mostly because he's a C) and he's been one of our worst forwards, despite pretty decent ice time.

I really hope he turns it around. We would be better with Desharnais producing than without. His return right now would be minimal, so trading him isn't the best option whatsoever either.

We just need to be patient, it's really our only choice.

ORRRRRRRR try him on the damn wing already.

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Would trade DD for a number of reasons:
- His lack of both size and speed means that he NEEDS two power wingers to be effective.
- Not that he's the only one, but he doesn't excel at faceoffs, which would allow him to stand out from the rest of the Habs' centers.
- He is not great defensively, which can be attributed to the two factors above.
- He is not versatile: he is either a Top 6 center producing offensively or completely useless.
- He is blocking a young center with size and skill, a former 13th(?) overall pick, from playing in an offensive role in which he could provide solid defensive play with offensive production. Eller is in a similar situation as Cody Hodgson and I would hate to see mismanagement resulting in losing him for nothing because management was too busy rooting for DD.
- I think he's a bigger distraction than Subban: lots seems to be done in an effort to get him going. Looking down the road though, Galchenyuk will hopefully be the #1 center, and Pleks the #2. DD simply doesn't fit in. The only way he fits is if Pleks were traded, but if Geoff Molson's goal is to get into the playoffs, Pleks isn't going anywhere. Eller is thus a very good player to keep developing: he could potentially take the #2 center role as Pleks gets older.

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There's the better part of half a foot of difference between the two though. I know they say DD is 5'6, but I think they took those measurements with his skates on.

I'm not obsessed with size, but when discussing Desharnais it's a definite issue, especially since he plays center. It's a reality that's impossible to ignore. If he was 5'5 and didn't get knocked off the puck constantly, or was really good on faceoffs, perhaps, but those are actually his weakness, and that's not what you look for in a C.

That being said, size is only 1 factor. His lack of production is the main issue. I think we need to give him more time, but it's impossible to ignore that he's struggling, his size is an obvious issue night in and night out (again, mostly because he's a C) and he's been one of our worst forwards, despite pretty decent ice time.

I really hope he turns it around. We would be better with Desharnais producing than without. His return right now would be minimal, so trading him isn't the best option whatsoever either.

We just need to be patient, it's really our only choice.

ORRRRRRRR try him on the damn wing already.
i agree 100% but i still feel he wont be here next season, nor should he over Eller lets say.

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I voted Desharnais. I feel guilty now. Nearly positive he's going to excel with some patience, which as a hab fan, I don't have.

Carpe Diem!

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DD at the draft, neither this season.

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02-15-2013, 03:33 PM
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The team has a 8-4-1 record, and as long as they gonna win, they gonna keep the same players and the same lines. Players hate to be shuffled every two games. They love knowing their role and they are willing to play the part when the coach is fair.

Right now, there is no problem with that team. It is still an average team with an elite goalie, but that's allright.


The new management and coaching staff have ONLY 13 games under the belt together as a group.

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