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Did Cooke intend to injure Karlsson?

View Poll Results: Did Cooke intend to injure Karlsson
Sens fan saying yes 30 3.82%
Pens fan saying no 69 8.78%
Yes 175 22.26%
No 512 65.14%
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02-15-2013, 12:43 PM
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cooke has too many "accidents".

Get this POS out of the NHL before he ruins more star players.

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02-15-2013, 12:48 PM
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Explain, in detail please, how he didn't intend to do it. I think I might need a new pair of glasses,.....I could have sworn I saw him raise his leg up, and then step it down on the top of his ankle. I must be missing something here.
1. Looking the opposite way when he "raises" his foot. Every single video shows this (Dont bother showing me that still picture of Cooke looking at the puck AFTER Karlsson was hurt)

2. His foot was in the air because Karlsson knocked him off balance. Here's a challenge for you: Stand on one foot and have a friend push you, your other foot will come down for balance EVERY time exactly like Cooke's did.

3. He went to pin Karlsson into the boards, a play that happens 50 times a game, and is a play taught to hockey players from the very start.

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02-15-2013, 01:17 PM
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I think this argument is pointless, whether it was intentional or not shouldnt matter. IMO 5 game suspension intentional or not. IMO Cooke didnt intend to hurt him that bad but knew well where he was puuting his blade!

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02-15-2013, 01:20 PM
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1. Looking the opposite way when he "raises" his foot. Every single video shows this (Dont bother showing me that still picture of Cooke looking at the puck AFTER Karlsson was hurt)

2. His foot was in the air because Karlsson knocked him off balance. Here's a challenge for you: Stand on one foot and have a friend push you, your other foot will come down for balance EVERY time exactly like Cooke's did.

3. He went to pin Karlsson into the boards, a play that happens 50 times a game, and is a play taught to hockey players from the very start.

Any thing else?
But his left leg was riding on the back of Karlsson in a relatively balanced way, And his right leg was perfectly straight also indicating balance. Unless he "accidentaly" put his blade right on the back on Karlsson's ankle, then it was totally intentional

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02-15-2013, 01:25 PM
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Intent.

Cooke would have been thinking: "Hey, there's Ottawa's best guy and let's get him."
If he were to think and execute that, he would have just put an elbow to the back of Karlsson's head, or knee on knee on 65. More blatant and just as deadly.

This looks like a hockey play; both players head to a corner, Cooke tries to seperate Karlsson from the puck but loses balance and unfortunately made contact with Karlsson's lower leg. Is he laughing on the bench? Could be, but you'd need to know if anything was said on the bench and so on. It's doubtful that the "reformed Cooke" would want a to risk a 5-10 game suspension when his team isn't dominating the Eastern or the Atlantic. Cooke can be a human missile but I'm having trouble reconciliating previous, more blatant acts with this one.

It looks like a bump play with a disastrous result for us, sadly.

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02-15-2013, 02:02 PM
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Senators owner Eugene Melnyk recently decided to take a stand. “[Cooke] should be kicked … He doesn’t belong in the league. He belongs somewhere where the goons play,” an emotional Melnyk told The Ottawa Sun. “Get him in the Central league. He can be a $60,000-a-year guy playing pick-up hockey there. “The guy does not deserve … He’s got one purpose. I remember when this happened with [Jason] Spezza. I said, ‘If these are the rules, I just want to know.’ We’ll play with the same rules. Make sure you have one or two goons whose job is to do this either intentionally or unintentionally.”


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02-15-2013, 02:25 PM
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I think no.

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Senators owner Eugene Melnyk recently decided to take a stand. “[Cooke] should be kicked … He doesn’t belong in the league. He belongs somewhere where the goons play,” an emotional Melnyk told The Ottawa Sun. “Get him in the Central league. He can be a $60,000-a-year guy playing pick-up hockey there. “The guy does not deserve … He’s got one purpose. I remember when this happened with [Jason] Spezza. I said, ‘If these are the rules, I just want to know.’ We’ll play with the same rules. Make sure you have one or two goons whose job is to do this either intentionally or unintentionally.”


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I'm not surprised he's so angry. He stands to lose the most in this situation from decreased ticket sales and less chance of playoff revenue.

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02-15-2013, 02:30 PM
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It's not a coincidence he ended Savards career and now targeted Karlsson. He goes after star players.
your opinion isn't skewed from past events ....

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02-15-2013, 03:28 PM
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But his left leg was riding on the back of Karlsson in a relatively balanced way, And his right leg was perfectly straight also indicating balance. Unless he "accidentaly" put his blade right on the back on Karlsson's ankle, then it was totally intentional
Is there any reason other than it was Cooke to think that it was intentional?

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02-15-2013, 03:31 PM
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Senators owner Eugene Melnyk recently decided to take a stand. “[Cooke] should be kicked … He doesn’t belong in the league. He belongs somewhere where the goons play,” an emotional Melnyk told The Ottawa Sun. “Get him in the Central league. He can be a $60,000-a-year guy playing pick-up hockey there. “The guy does not deserve … He’s got one purpose. I remember when this happened with [Jason] Spezza. I said, ‘If these are the rules, I just want to know.’ We’ll play with the same rules. Make sure you have one or two goons whose job is to do this either intentionally or unintentionally.”


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The league should put a clamp on this guy. This could lead to another Bertuzzi type incident.

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02-15-2013, 03:40 PM
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The league should put a clamp on this guy. This could lead to another Bertuzzi type incident.
If Cooke gets targeted next game against the Sens you can see lawsuit all over it. He's walking a very fine line.

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02-15-2013, 03:59 PM
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If Cooke gets targeted next game against the Sens you can see lawsuit all over it. He's walking a very fine line.
I'd be surprised if Sens don't target Cooke.

Their response before was pretty sad.

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It's Cooke. His job is to hurt opposing players.


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02-15-2013, 10:06 PM
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Is there any reason other than it was Cooke to think that it was intentional?
Uh in a word no, guys are saying basically it's Cooke give him 5 games for being who he is.

Sounds alot like justice in the south when the whitesheets came out.

The fact that Sportsnet had a clip with over 10 random NHL guys saying that even if Cooke wanted to do it this way, there was no way he could have.

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Senators owner Eugene Melnyk recently decided to take a stand. “[Cooke] should be kicked … He doesn’t belong in the league. He belongs somewhere where the goons play,” an emotional Melnyk told The Ottawa Sun. “Get him in the Central league. He can be a $60,000-a-year guy playing pick-up hockey there. “The guy does not deserve … He’s got one purpose. I remember when this happened with [Jason] Spezza. I said, ‘If these are the rules, I just want to know.’ We’ll play with the same rules. Make sure you have one or two goons whose job is to do this either intentionally or unintentionally.”


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he is rich enough to pay the fine.

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If it was any other player I would say it was accidental. But since it was Cooke I would say yeah it was intentional. That's what he does he intentionally injuries other team's players. How many times do these things have to happen? I can guarantee their will be at least one other Matt Cooke incident and then another and another and so on.

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"I got an idea. I'm gonna go end a season. What's the easiest way to do that? I know, I'll pull the old no-look saw a one inch moving target with my skate while I'm off balance routine. Works every time"

-something Senators fans (and, I guess, Eugene Melnyk) think happened this week, but has never actually crossed the mind of any hockey player anywhere

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"I got an idea. I'm gonna go end a season. What's the easiest way to do that? I know, I'll pull the old no-look saw a one inch moving target with my skate while I'm off balance routine. Works every time"

-something Senators fans (and, I guess, Eugene Melnyk) think happened this week, but has never actually crossed the mind of any hockey player anywhere
Check the poll results before you spew complete and utter nonsense. The vast majority of people saying it was intentional were not Sens fans.

This type of comment makes the boards really hard for people like me to frequent. Just TRY and take one second before you make a post and exercise just a smidgeon of critical thinking and analysis.

It will go such a long way to making your posts tolerable.

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To think it was intentional simply defies logic. Is there anyone here that actually plays the game, at any level, that truly believes Cooke intentionally tried to use his skate to injure Karlsson on that play?

Give your head a shake.

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Ranger fan voting NO.

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Check the poll results before you spew complete and utter nonsense. The vast majority of people saying it was intentional were not Sens fans.
I did. The likes of "Karlssonlee" and "releasethelehner" strike me as senators fans. Funny how they voted "independent yes" instead of "senators fan voting yes."

Now, I'm not going to go through the posting history of everyone (or anyone) who voted yes, but it's almost as if certain Senators fans want to make it look as if "The vast majority of people saying it was intentional were not Sens fans," even if that's not the case.

Moreover, I could simply read some of the 3000 posts that have been written on this topic to draw my conclusions.


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This type of comment makes the boards really hard for people like me to frequent. Just TRY and take one second before you make a post and exercise just a smidgeon of critical thinking and analysis.

It will go such a long way to making your posts tolerable.
Critical thinking, eh?

Seems to me there have been now, thousands of posts from Senator fans, as well as a direct quote from the Senators ownership, saying Cooke injured Karlsson intentionally. This would require an affirmative theory of the crime that matches what I've said, more or less verbatim.

If you believe Cook executed a perfect no-look, off-balance skate saw on a moving one-inch target, then what's making you uncomfortable is that theory looks incredibly foolish in writing. That you would be uncomfortable that your own belief is silly when spelled out as such, well, that's on you, not me.

If you'd like to talk about a failure to exercise analysis, you could start by, I don't know, rethinking the merits of saying, in essence, "you're dumb, I don't like this site because you're dumb," which is
a) attacking the messenger, not the message
b) the exact opposite of "critical thinking."

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I didn't think he did, but I don't blame anyone who won't give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Yes... Intent to injure but not to the severity in which it occured

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No intent, but I get why sens fans and the owner is pissed.

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