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02-15-2013, 01:49 PM
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02-15-2013, 01:57 PM
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I would have preferred if we lost games 5-4 or 6-5, at least that would confirm that our young offensive players are progressing and we need to address the known problem of defense and goaltending. But as it is, we cannot score, Dubnyk is more than ok, and we can blame lost games on inability to score rather than on shoddy defense. Frankly, I don't know what is wrong. Aren't the young guns as good as we think they are? Is it the system we play? Is it coaching?

The problem is this, in the shortened 48 game schedule - there is no time for practice. At all from what I've heard.

So you have a new coach, with a new system - no training camp, no practicing. That's going to impact.

Washington is having the same problems with new coach Adam Oates.

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02-15-2013, 02:05 PM
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We are a better team then last year, and way better then the years before.
Apart from the 1st period vs SJ, we have had a chance to win every game. That is a big step from getting blown out each night like in past seasons.

We are where we are supose to be. A three game winning streak puts us in the playoffs.

We just havent gotten there the way we thought we would. We were expecting to lose games 5-4, not 2-1.
Pucks will start going in for Ebs and Nuge, while Gags and Dub will cool off. We WILL improve our disipline, which will have a huge effect on 5on5 play.
We are a .500 team on paper, and we are playing like one on the ice.

The Dallas game was a huge positive. If we play like that everynight we will make the playoffs.
No matter what level your skill and desire are, luck is still a huge factor in deciding outcome of games.

All this aside, if we are a bottom 6 team again this year, Tambo will get fired.

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02-15-2013, 02:08 PM
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All this aside, if we are a bottom 6 team again this year, Tambo will get fired.
It's only a matter of time before MacT is the GM.

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02-15-2013, 02:10 PM
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We should be feeling VERY fortunate that we are where we are points and standings wise considering the team performance this year so far.
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02-15-2013, 02:24 PM
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We are a better team then last year, and way better then the years before.
Apart from the 1st period vs SJ, we have had a chance to win every game. That is a big step from getting blown out each night like in past seasons.

We are where we are supose to be. A three game winning streak puts us in the playoffs.

We just havent gotten there the way we thought we would. We were expecting to lose games 5-4, not 2-1.
Pucks will start going in for Ebs and Nuge, while Gags and Dub will cool off. We WILL improve our disipline, which will have a huge effect on 5on5 play.
We are a .500 team on paper, and we are playing like one on the ice.

The Dallas game was a huge positive. If we play like that everynight we will make the playoffs.


No matter what level your skill and desire are, luck is still a huge factor in deciding outcome of games.

All this aside, if we are a bottom 6 team again this year, Tambo will get fired.
Good points, I agree. What a lot of us fail to forget is that this is a transition year. Previously the kids were being sheltered with easy opposition, now they are being relied on to carry the team. We are only 13 games into the season no need to panic yet. Hall was great in the Dallas game. RNH and Ebs will come around.

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02-15-2013, 02:27 PM
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Tambo isn't going anywhere. Nepotism and complacency runs rampant in the organization.

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The first question is easier to answer objectively IMO: the rebuild started half way through the 2009/10 season. It was becoming obvious that the team was terrible despite the efforts of Lowe and then Tambo to build a contender. That's when the team clearly shifted focus. I'd say we are now in season 4 of the rebuild. Next year is season five, the end of which conincides with the end of Tambo's contract. Next year is his year to go big. I'll be shocked if we don't see him making big changes over the summer to help the Big 5.
You missed my point. We all know the timing of the rebuild plus or minus a year but what does 'rebuild' mean. Does it mean it is okay to suck badly for 5 straight years and then if we come close to the playoffs in year 6 it is okay? Does it mean we should be contending in year 6? Does it mean we can finish last 5 years in a row and it is okay to be 4th from last the next year? Does it mean we have to make the playoffs in year 6 and beyond?

You will get some very different answers to that question.

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Has anyone mentioned the PP at 8th and PK at 5th yet?

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Has anyone mentioned the PP at 8th and PK at 5th yet?
Oilers are actually 2nd overall in combined special teams (Islanders are #1).

However, unfortunately, PP and PK aren't a great predictor of team success. In fact, PP% has no correlation to winning percentage while PK% has small-medium correlation.

Oilers aren't playing well where it matters.

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You missed my point. We all know the timing of the rebuild plus or minus a year but what does 'rebuild' mean. Does it mean it is okay to suck badly for 5 straight years and then if we come close to the playoffs in year 6 it is okay? Does it mean we should be contending in year 6? Does it mean we can finish last 5 years in a row and it is okay to be 4th from last the next year? Does it mean we have to make the playoffs in year 6 and beyond?

You will get some very different answers to that question.
Doesnt really matter what folks around here think its means. All that matters is how management/ownership has defined it internally and what objectives they've agreed upon. If I was betting, I'd say that the bar has been set at ensuring a playoff berth by next year. If Tambo fails to do that, he's gone.

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02-15-2013, 02:50 PM
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Oilers are actually 2nd overall in combined special teams (Islanders are #1).

However, unfortunately, PP and PK aren't a great predictor of team success. In fact, PP% has no correlation to winning percentage while PK% has small-medium correlation.

Oilers aren't playing well where it matters.
Do you have the stats on this? It would be interesting to see what the correlation is.

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Do you have the stats on this? It would be interesting to see what the correlation is.
Since the lockout (210 team seasons):

PK%:Win%
Correl = 0.3896
RSQ = 0.1518

PP%:Win%
Correl = -0.0393
RSQ = 0.0015

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02-15-2013, 03:09 PM
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We are a better team then last year, and way better then the years before.
Apart from the 1st period vs SJ, we have had a chance to win every game. That is a big step from getting blown out each night like in past seasons.

We are where we are supose to be. A three game winning streak puts us in the playoffs.

We just havent gotten there the way we thought we would. We were expecting to lose games 5-4, not 2-1.
Pucks will start going in for Ebs and Nuge, while Gags and Dub will cool off. We WILL improve our disipline, which will have a huge effect on 5on5 play.
We are a .500 team on paper, and we are playing like one on the ice.

The Dallas game was a huge positive. If we play like that everynight we will make the playoffs.
No matter what level your skill and desire are, luck is still a huge factor in deciding outcome of games.

All this aside, if we are a bottom 6 team again this year, Tambo will get fired.
Sorry but a .500 team doesn't get outshot by over 6 shots per game and sit 30th in this stat. So far they are closer to a 30th place team than they are a .500 or playoff team.

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Since the lockout (210 team seasons):

PK%:Win%
Correl = 0.3896
RSQ = 0.1518

PP%:Win%
Correl = -0.0393
RSQ = 0.0015
WOW, I didn't think that there would be no correlation at all. I was expecting maybe ~ .75


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I feel bad for RNH. Teams are clearly focusing in on him, as for much of last year he was that straw that stirred the drink. The kid has a fraction of the room he had last year, but twice the load. I'm also guessing his shoulder is bothering him a lot more than we realize.
This is part of the problem. The vets on this team are so bad that it forces the RNH line to play the toughest minutes. Adding 2 more rookies (Schultz and Yak) doesn't help matters at all. Schultz has been very good but if he is thrust into a situation where he is playing top 2 minutes I believe it will wear him down and increase the chances of injury.
This team really sucks at developing young players in a sustainable manner.

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Doesnt really matter what folks around here think its means. All that matters is how management/ownership has defined it internally and what objectives they've agreed upon. If I was betting, I'd say that the bar has been set at ensuring a playoff berth by next year. If Tambo fails to do that, he's gone.
Of course it matters what people here think it means since it is the focal point of many discussions as to what acceptable performance is.

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Oilers are actually 2nd overall in combined special teams (Islanders are #1).

However, unfortunately, PP and PK aren't a great predictor of team success. In fact, PP% has no correlation to winning percentage while PK% has small-medium correlation.

Oilers aren't playing well where it matters.
Exactly...being strong 5x5 is how good teams win games over the course of a season.

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Exactly...being strong 5x5 is how good teams win games over the course of a season.
LA was 17th last year and they won the Cup.

For comparison we were 22nd.

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"We are a .500 team on paper, and we are playing like one on the ice."

This has to be the absolute stupidest assertion that is made on these boards on a regular basis. The ole we are .500 by including ot and so wins but not including ot/so loses as if that is an indication of doing well. Last year there were 23 teams at .500 or better according to this foolish way of looking at it. If you are a .500 team in this league these days you are a bad team.

The Oilers are 5-8 if you include ot/so 2-5 if you don't.

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"We are a .500 team on paper, and we are playing like one on the ice."

This has to be the absolute stupidest assertion that is made on these boards on a regular basis. The ole we are .500 by including ot and so wins but not including ot/so loses as if that is an indication of doing well. Last year there were 23 teams at .500 or better according to this foolish way of looking at it. If you are a .500 team in this league these days you are a bad team.

The Oilers are 5-8 if you include ot/so 2-5 if you don't.
The year we went to the Cup Final we were 41-41, yet two teams below us had more wins.

POINTS are all that matters, not how you get them.

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Of course it matters what people here think it means since it is the focal point of many discussions as to what acceptable performance is.
Well we were talking about acceptable performance in terms of Tambellini's employment status. My point is, what people here deem acceptable doesnt matter in that regard. What matters is the performance agreement he has in place with his bosses. If its been set out that he has to make the playoffs this year - then he's done. If he just needs to improve, then he'll likely survived. But as I said, I think all of his performance targets are really focused on next year.

People here can debate all they want as to what is acceptable in terms of length of a rebuild and what being competitive means. At the end of the day, what matters is what Tambo's bosses believe is acceptable and what goals they've set for him.

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LA was 17th last year and they won the Cup.

For comparison we were 22nd.
LA's season was a progression....I think you would have to break it down in segments to get an accurate look at how they did over the season.
That is a big, fast, tough hockey team. The type of team built to win when games matter and in the grind that is the playoffs.

Despite the loss against Dallas that was the Oilers best game this season.
Unfortunately Oilers dont have the personnel to sustain the type of hockey they played in that game. That style (essentially the way LA played last year) would produce wins over the long haul IMO.

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LA's season was a progression....I think you would have to break it down in segments to get an accurate look at how they did over the season.
That is a big, fast, tough hockey team. The type of team built to win when games matter and in the grind that is the playoffs.

Despite the loss against Dallas that was the Oilers best game this season.
Unfortunately Oilers dont have the personnel to sustain the type of hockey they played in that game. That style (essentially the way LA played last year) would produce wins over the long haul IMO.
Well it's not working for the Kings this year....

I don't think they'll come out flat against the Avs.

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"We are a .500 team on paper, and we are playing like one on the ice."

This has to be the absolute stupidest assertion that is made on these boards on a regular basis. The ole we are .500 by including ot and so wins but not including ot/so loses as if that is an indication of doing well. Last year there were 23 teams at .500 or better according to this foolish way of looking at it. If you are a .500 team in this league these days you are a bad team.

The Oilers are 5-8 if you include ot/so 2-5 if you don't.
2-5 is representative of how this team has played. There hasnt been a single game where they've played 60 full minutes, there hasnt been a single convincing win or dominant performance, we are constantly outshot by wide margins, and our 5 on 5 play is atrocious. Without Dubie standing on his head, we'd probably close to winless this year. Things have to improve in a lot of areas and fast, or we are looking at drafting in the top 5 yet again.

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