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02-15-2013, 05:41 PM
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and DDs only good game of the season was with Eller, works both ways
While DD sucked as a whole so far, this is Exhibit #2 of the fact that you haven't watched any game since the beginning of the season.

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If you think that Erik Cole plays like one of our Top-2 wingers, then you probably haven't been watching ANY game whatsoever.
Just imagine if Erik Cole could do a crossover and/or deke.

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not at all, its just because they play different games, for the past 2 years Ellers been developed as a 3rd line checking center, so his role was to get bigger and to finish his checks. Gally is being groomed to be our top center for hopefully the next 10 years, so as long as hes scoring and putting up points no one will be worrying about him hitting, whereas Eller needs that to help him stay in the lineup
And on his first season, he was...?

A 4th liner who didn't hit at all.

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Cole and Pacioretty are struggling this year. The blame does not fall on DD for those struggles.

You are using wishful thinking if you think Eller would improve their play.
He definitely wouldnt make it worse, so why not reward a guy for his hard work over the past few games.
Best case scenario he sparks cole and patches and we have our first line again
Worst case scenario, things remain the exact same way...

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Just imagine if Erik Cole could do a crossover and/or deke.
Yeah... but he didn't so far, so saying E.C. is a Top-2 winger at this point is a bit like saying that my aunt would be my uncle if she had a .... well, you get the point.

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He would have played with Eller, so, no.

EDIT : Last year's version of Eller.
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He wouldn't have amounted 60pts by not playing with Pacio and Cole or getting sheltered?

So you just admitted that he's trash.

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And on his first season, he was...?

A 4th liner who didn't hit at all.
thats not the point, you clearly didnt read what I said. Gally will never have to play a checking game, whereas thats what Ellers been doing for the past 2 seasons...

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He definitely wouldnt make it worse, so why not reward a guy for his hard work over the past few games.
Best case scenario he sparks cole and patches and we have our first line again
Worst case scenario, things remain the exact same way...
Finally, I just think you matter more about the name in the back than about the crest on the chest.

Guy 1 sucks, Guy 2 isn't playing that great and guy 3, who actually centers them, sorta sucks.

Let's reward guy 4, who's playing well, by having him taking the place of guy 3.

There could be a worst idea. But it just seems like a random idea picked from, well, the name in the back?

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And on his first season, he was...?

A 4th liner who didn't hit at all.


It's a double standard which is hurting us. Even in the series we lost to boston last time, Eller was one of our best fwds. I don't get where this idea comes from that he doesn't hit and isn't physical. He actually does everything he was projected to. That he's not scoring prolifically has all to do with his current role and linemates. Aside from his botched breakaway, chose one player you want just outside the crease and with the only play being to shoot. Who do you choose? For me it's Eller and his ripshot (very AK-like). "René" has been showing that he can do it too, I'll give him that. And deking? He's probably our best and most creative. As for being on the ice for two goals against TBay:

a) it was a 4 on 6 where he won the FO, but the winger lost it.
b) it wasn't his bad on those goals, it was the D

He's becoming a defensive ace and PP specialist. So, size, decent speed (as much as Chucky), amazing hands and shot and very physical/can hold onto the puck. Also very solid vision and playmaking ability. It's just a simple fact that Chucky is being given the light treatment whereas the OLD veteran Eller has to grind it out + produce goals.

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He wouldn't have amounted 60pts by not playing with Pacio and Cole or getting sheltered?

So you just admitted that he's trash.
If Desharnais played with last year's Eller? NO. Unless a player would have replaced Eller.

EDIT : DD isn't that great anyways. I just think Eller is overrated (by this board) and that DD is kindof the victim of that situation, because, well, y'know, the hipster factor.

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Finally, I just think you matter more about the name in the back than about the crest on the chest.

Guy 1 sucks, Guy 2 isn't playing that great and guy 3, who actually centers them, sorta sucks.

Let's reward guy 4, who's playing well, by having him taking the place of guy 3.

There could be a worst idea. But it just seems like a random idea picked from, well, the name in the back?
Well thankfully you're not the coach, because by your logic, lines should be kept together all season long, and no matter how bad a line is playing they have to stay together!
Also remember that whole thing about holding everyone accountable and no excuses, ya forget about that also. No matter how bad DD, Cole and Patches are playing theyll stay the first line and play 20 mins a game. And that Eller guy, why reward him for playing great lately, let him stay on the 4th line with scrap lineups and play 10 mins a game, its a great way to get his full potential.
Come on man, get real
your arguments arnt even making sense anymore

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It's a double standard which is hurting us. Even in the series we lost to boston last time, Eller was one of our best fwds. I don't get where this idea comes from that he doesn't hit and isn't physical. He actually does everything he was projected to. That he's not scoring prolifically has all to do with his current role and linemates.
That was at the end of the season, and not during the season.

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Well thankfully you're not the coach, because by your logic, lines should be kept together all season long, and no matter how bad a line is playing they have to stay together!
Also remember that whole thing about holding everyone accountable and no excuses, ya forget about that also. No matter how bad DD, Cole and Patches are playing theyll stay the first line and play 20 mins a game. And that Eller guy, why reward him for playing great lately, let him stay on the 4th line with scrap lineups and play 10 mins a game, its a great way to get his full potential.
Come on man, get real
your arguments arnt even making sense anymore
Dropping DD on the depth chart would mean not dropping the worst player from the line. Hence my problem.

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thats not the point, you clearly didnt read what I said. Gally will never have to play a checking game, whereas thats what Ellers been doing for the past 2 seasons...
But Chucky WILL have to be able to take WAYYY more punishment than he is now (he is understandably avoiding contact at this stage and that's fine). The point that you seem to be making is that Eller can do what Chucky can but can ALSO hit. Just saying, if you replace Eller and DD (totally original idea...although DD has picked it up big time last 1.5 games), Eller doesn't have to worry about being a checking center and could potentially be a very effective scoring center. That said, I think the role of the center with Cole and Patch is to mostly pass, so it might not even result in goals, but perhaps more pts for that line overall.

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That was at the end of the season, and not during the season.
It was also during the season. I was pointing out how he doesn't disappear in the post season, which might be a criticism.

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strangely, my first thought when reading the title had me expecting pictures of artwork drawn by eller, like it was one of his hobbies or something.

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It was also during the season. I was pointing out how he doesn't disappear in the post season, which might be a criticism.
Nah... he mostly was invisible roughly the 3/4 of the season, which kinda tends to support my point that he should've been playing in the AHL that season.

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Yeah... but he didn't so far, so saying E.C. is a Top-2 winger at this point is a bit like saying that my aunt would be my uncle if she had a .... well, you get the point.
hehe, I know, I was being facetious. I was more implying that he seems incapable of doing basic things that a hockey player of his caliber is supposed to be able to do rather than take a stride, slow down fake, then accelerate in a straight line until

a) draws penalty
b) loses puck
c) D easily pokes it away
d) falls down as if he just learned to skate
e) (last year version), takes it inside to the net, scores, high fives ref.

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Nah... he mostly was invisible roughly the 3/4 of the season, which kinda tends to support my point that he should've been playing in the AHL that season.
Difference of opinion I guess. Big difference.

And when he was playing with AK and Moen - arguable best line.

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Difference of opinion I guess. Big difference.

And when he was playing with AK and Moen - arguable best line.
...That was last season. Not 10-11.

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All this talk about trading Eller...I don't think this plan happens all this year but I personally think the road to being a perennial cup contender includes:

1C: Galchenyuk
2C: Yet to be drafted top centre
3C: Eller/Plekanec

I prefer to keep Eller long term over Plekanec because he is bigger, stronger on the puck and younger which is ideal for a 3rd line centre. Also Plekanec has much higher trade value over the next few years.


Plekanec traded for 1st and a former first round pick. Something like Chicago 1st and Terravainen or similar.
If he isn't traded then he needs to be our 3rd line centre long term. Like it or not Pleks is going to start declining. Time to trade him while he has value or get plans in place for when he is a solid #3 centre.

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EDIT : DD isn't that great anyways. I just think Eller is overrated (by this board) and that DD is kindof the victim of that situation, because, well, y'know, the hipster factor.
Haha, there's no factor of that to be found anywhere on HFBoards.

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If Desharnais played with last year's Eller? NO. Unless a player would have replaced Eller.

EDIT : DD isn't that great anyways. I just think Eller is overrated (by this board) and that DD is kindof the victim of that situation, because, well, y'know, the hipster factor.
I said remove DD's wingers from last year.
Give him let's say Moen and Bourque/Kostitsyn/Paljsu/Anyone else (think last years performance).

Does DD get 60pts?
No.

That right there tells you, that he has quality line mates, while Eller gets shafted. There is no arguing the point. It is a FACT that Eller has yet to play with the top talent on this team for more then a shift or 2.

No one is saying Eller is a godsend, then next Gretzky. We are trying to explain that he has the raw skills needed to be a top 6 center, but he doesn't get anything.


Let me ask this again.

What has DD done to deserve the ice-time he's been getting? He's a -6, 5 pts, can't win a faceoff, can win a puck battle (60% of the time), is atrocious in his own end.
Please explain this to me.

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I said remove DD's wingers from last year.
Give him let's say Moen and Bourque/Kostitsyn/Paljsu/Anyone else (think last years performance).

Does DD get 60pts?
No.

That right there tells you, that he has quality line mates, while Eller gets shafted. There is no arguing the point. It is a FACT that Eller has yet to play with the top talent on this team for more then a shift or 2.

No one is saying Eller is a godsend, then next Gretzky. We are trying to explain that he has the raw skills needed to be a top 6 center, but he doesn't get anything.


Let me ask this again.

What has DD done to deserve the ice-time he's been getting? He's a -6, 5 pts, can't win a faceoff, can win a puck battle (60% of the time), is atrocious in his own end.
Please explain this to me.
Thank you
this is what I have been trying to say for my past 10 posts.
Its pretty simple, for the past 2 years DD has been giving every chance to succeed while Eller has not gone more than 1 game with decent linemates. At some point you have to give Eller a real shot, and there is no better time than now with DD struggling and Eller thriving. Id like to see somehting like this
Bourque-Pleks-Gio
Patches-Eller-DD
Gally-Gally-Cole
Prust-White-Moen

Those are 3 incredibly balanced lines, and 1 hell of a 4th line that wont take $hit from nobody.

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You know what, if Lars is really on the market, how would you qualify MB's vision going forward? We are a small team and shopping our tallest and nastiest (take it for what it's worth compared to the other options) center who is poised to break out eventually. I don't believe this rumor one bit.

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