There are people on this very message board that are saying the reason people prefer Eller over DD is because DD is Quebecer, like some sort of strange, perverted self-hating form of sado-masochism...So it isn't far fetched to say some favor DD simply because of where he is from.
Honestly we should ban all these self-hating, self-victimizing, perpetually sad perverts. Ban them all.
So this board would be left with only Habs fans from outside of Quebec. Cool with me.
No one ever said that they hate DD because he's a Quebecer. Face the fact that he has done NOTHING in 10 out of 12 games, yet Eller plays poorly the 1st game of the season and is benched for 2 games? People are hating on him because he's been useless and for some odd (not really odd because its blatantly obvious as to why) he's yet to sit out.
DD gets top 6 minutes, while doing nothing and those minutes are mostly Ozone minutes, and PP.
When will people realize that you don't win with a strictly PP specialist and useless everywhere else?
Good players can play any role, any position and aren't confined to "special" minutes to make things happen, but that also relies on TOI and linemates as well.
Your conclusions are pathetic. By any statistic metric over their young careers, DD beats Eller. Goals, assists, points, ppg, +/-, FO%, etc.
How many other teams' fans would turn so quickly against a 25 year-old player who managed 60 points in his first full NHL season? Considering that DD is the team's ONLY Quebec-born player and that he's now officially this board's scapegoat, I think it's very legitimate to ask the question in reverse. He's french, he's on the habs, therefore he sucks.
#1)26 years old
#2)Sheltered minutes.
#3)Over 3+mins avg a game.
#4)No defensive responsibilities.
NO ONE GIVES A **** THAT HE'S FROM QUEBEC EXCEPT THE PEOPLE IN QUEBEC.
In this case, Desharnais is a victime of circumstances. If you tell me that Gionta and Bouillon or off the roster, perhaps I pick Desharnais to keep.
Out of the two:
Hockey IQ-Desharnais wins
FO-Eller wins
Defensive-Eller but.... Offensive creativaty- Desharnais but.... Mental toughness-Desharnais
Size-Eller
Youth-Both are
Contract- Desharnais is cheaper
The bolded.
1)You can't judge that until Eller is given a chance and I'm not talking about 3 games here.
2)Umm right, cuz you know Eller is a flake when the going gets tough. LOL.
What we have here is a failure to understand the situation at hand.
First we take a look at the undeniable truths
Plekanec is a true, honest to goodness #2 center that can also be very effective in a shut down role as well as a pk role.
Galchenyuk is emerging as a top center and could possibly get there as early as next year or the year after.
Desharnais is an RFA at the end of the season.
Eller is starting to demonstrate that he's strong on the puck and that he can start playing harder minutes
Bergevin now has a hard upcoming decision to make, and he better be making an on-ice hockey decision rather than a fanboy or language decision.
IF and I stress if Galchenyuk emerges as the center we hope he's going to be, and Plekanec keeps playing the role that he has.
Who do you pick between Eller and Desharnais as your #3?
I think at this point the answer is easy, there's now way that you're asking Galchenyuk to play as your #3 AND there's no way you're asking Desharnais too play as your #3 either.
Eller I believe would make a great #3 that can step up and fill in as your #2 in a pinch - the choice is easy. And NO I will not drop Plekanec in order to keep Desharnais, they are not the same player nor can they play the same minutes.
#1)26 years old
#2)Sheltered minutes.
#3)Over 3+mins avg a game.
#4)No defensive responsibilities.
1) 60 points as a 25 yo
2) Irrelevent. 60 points and +10 while finishing dead last is pretty awesome.
3) That he earned through #1
4) 60 points. Top 20 in the league for Centers. 11th for assists. Let someone else do the grinding.
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NO ONE GIVES A **** THAT HE'S FROM QUEBEC EXCEPT THE PEOPLE IN QUEBEC.
Of course you don't, you seem like such an objective guy.
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So this board would be left with only Habs fans from outside of Quebec. Cool with me.
Your conclusions are pathetic. By any statistic metric over their young careers, DD beats Eller. Goals, assists, points, ppg, +/-, FO%, etc.
How many other teams' fans would turn so quickly against a 25 year-old player who managed 60 points in his first full NHL season? Considering that DD is the team's ONLY Quebec-born player and that he's now officially this board's scapegoat, I think it's very legitimate to ask the question in reverse. He's french, he's on the habs, therefore he sucks.
The same type of fans that turned on Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Markov, Eller, etc and currently Cole? Only explanation I can think of for you not being aware of this would be that you only notice criticism to a certain demographic player since that's your main area of focus and interest when it comes to the Habs.
What we have here is a failure to understand the situation at hand.
First we take a look at the undeniable truths
Plekanec is a true, honest to goodness #2 center that can also be very effective in a shut down role as well as a pk role.
Galchenyuk is emerging as a top center and could possibly get there as early as next year or the year after.
Desharnais is an RFA at the end of the season.
Eller is starting to demonstrate that he's strong on the puck and that he can start playing harder minutes
Bergevin now has a hard upcoming decision to make, and he better be making an on-ice hockey decision rather than a fanboy or language decision.
IF and I stress if Galchenyuk emerges as the center we hope he's going to be, and Plekanec keeps playing the role that he has.
Who do you pick between Eller and Desharnais as your #3?
I think at this point the answer is easy, there's now way that you're asking Galchenyuk to play as your #3 AND there's no way you're asking Desharnais too play as your #3 either.
Eller I believe would make a great #3 that can step up and fill in as your #2 in a pinch - the choice is easy. And NO I will not drop Plekanec in order to keep Desharnais, they are not the same player nor can they play the same minutes.
Galchenyuk
Plekanec
Eller
This looks very promising. Surely some team would give up a 2nd or 3rd rd pick for a scoring center albeit a small one. Isles, Flames maybe....
This looks very promising. Surely some team would give up a 2nd or 3rd rd pick for a scoring center albeit a small one. Isles, Flames maybe....
Galchenyuk
Plekanec
Desharnais
We could potentially acquire another impact winger with Eller+; someone who could reliably play alongside Desharnais and make up for his problems. I was thinking Bourque would be good with DD, but I don't want to break up Pleky's line. Although if we do find a winger... I heard Iginla might be traded.. ?
We have the maneuvering room to be competitive this year or the next. Not in a pipe 3-5 years from now.
This board is incredible. When something is wrong with DD and people are not satisfied, it's because he's Quebecois. When it's Subban, it's because he's black. When it was AK, it was because he's "Russian"(even though he's from Belarus)... Etc.
3yo ago everybody thought MaxPac was a bust. Emelin a bad pick.
Last year 90% of this board said Markov was too old/injured and that his contract was bad.
A couple of months ago, most here wanted to keep Halak over Price.
4 years ago, most said Koivu was a bad captain and couldnt keep it up here.
I am proud to go against the flow! It paid off in the past.
You're proud to go against the flow? Wow that's amazing because everyone who was sane felt that MaxPac needed more time, Markov would come back but be rusty, Price was a superior goalie overall and that it was Koivu's time to leave.
Only the drones and reactionary plebs were clamoring for Price to be dumped, Markov to be bought out and all that crap. Get a grip.
One can only imagine if the internet was around in 1975. What? Lafleur only had 2 points last night and Shutt had 3? What are we paying this guy, something like 100 g a year? Lets move him. He'll never reach his potential anyway. He should put that helmet back on. He's going to get killed.
The bolded.
1)You can't judge that until Eller is given a chance and I'm not talking about 3 games here.
2)Umm right, cuz you know Eller is a flake when the going gets tough. LOL.
1)Perhaps you are right, but Desharnais has been productive at every level where has Eller hasn't. Eller can become a better offensive player but for now ...I give it to Desharnais.
2)Desharnas always had to prove himself due to his size. Average close to 1.5ppg in the Q, not drafted, played in the ECHL, the AHL and finaly NHL. Not that easy road.
Not saying Eller had it easier but wouldn't you agree that smaller players need a little edge in the confidence department?
We could potentially acquire another impact winger with Eller+; someone who could reliably play alongside Desharnais and make up for his problems. I was thinking Bourque would be good with DD, but I don't want to break up Pleky's line. Although if we do find a winger... I heard Iginla might be traded.. ?
We have the maneuvering room to be competitive this year or the next. Not in a pipe 3-5 years from now.
Trading for Iginla will cost alot, nothing short of a prospect plus a 1st imo which would be stupid of us to do. Desharnais just isin't good enough defensively to be a 3rd line center.
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Both Desharnais and Plekanec need to go if we ever expect to become a cup contender. I see Eller 6'2'' with skill, and Galchenyuk has being part of the mix for a long time. Ideally, the Habs should try to get another real talented center 6'2'' or more that could be our first or second center. Then we would become a cup contender every year for 10 years. That my friends is the challenge for Marc Bergevin. If Getzlaf becomes free agent this summer, Bergevin needs to make a real solid pitch, although its doubful he would come here.
You're one of the guys who literally had a vendetta against Ribeiro, Latendresse (fatendresse), Bouillon, Dandenault (dandouillon), and now Desharnais. Not to mention the francophone coaching and management staff.
My, how things change around here... but some of you are so very predictable.
You are another one of those self-hating Quebecois perverts.
Over the last few years, there is a small handful of players on this team that I did NOT criticize...Because you know, the team has been basically terrible for YEARS now and there have been very few bright spots (Price, Pacioretty, Subban...That's about it). For some strange, perverted reason, you harp on only the Quebec born players. Yes I did criticize them, for good reason. Not because they are from Quebec, but because they were not good here. Same as many others.
But please, continue. Continue making connections that do not exist to fulfill your sick, self-hating Quebecer perversions. Continue with your perpetual self-victimization.
The funny thing is I never even bashed DD. All I said is that between him and Eller I prefer having a more defensive type of 3rd line C. But hey, please...Be my guest and continue to warp everything to fit your delusion. I think you actually like it that way.
This board is incredible. When something is wrong with DD and people are not satisfied, it's because he's Quebecois. When it's Subban, it's because he's black. When it was AK, it was because he's "Russian"(even though he's from Belarus)... Etc.
The NHL is a league where the overwhelming majority of its history was dominated by white Canadians. Criticisms on all three players go far beyond racism or xenophobia but to deny that this sport, and especially this market, fears change and anyone who is different is ignoring what is in front of us.
You see it every day here, certain posters always blaming the Europeans for this team not being tough enough, Subban's "corporate" speaking, the impossibility to discuss Desharnais without mentioning where he's from and what language he speaks...
