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02-15-2013, 10:34 PM
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BTW guys if it's MN we want NO PART of Bouchard. The guy is a shell of his former self (which was just an OK self, nothing spectacular). Can't put together a healthy season, can't score. Hasn't played more than 59 games in the last 4 seasons, and significantly less than that in some, and never more than 12G (in that same 59 games).

He will not improve this team at all come playoff time; he would take a beating and be out in 2 games flat. I wouldn't even trade Kennedy for Bouchard. That's how unreliable he is at this point. Clutterbuck would be a good replacement for Kennedy though. Kunitz, Dupers, Cooke... all would contribute more than Bouchard. Consistently.

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02-15-2013, 10:35 PM
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I don't foresee Shero being fond of acquiring a holdout player.
O'Reilly is NOT a holdout. He's a restricted free agent. There's a difference.

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02-15-2013, 10:37 PM
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Montreal radio.

Lebrun was saying last night that the Pens are inquiring because Avs need defense.

Didn't think much of it, but I heard McGuire mention it today again, so who knows.
I would dismiss 99% of this ****, but McGuire seems to know what his buddy Rejean is up to a lot of the time.

Side question: Don't know where I saw it (maybe a voice in my head-- sorry, couldn't resits), but I saw something that the Pens were scouting Toronto again last night. Anyone hear anything?

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02-15-2013, 10:39 PM
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I hear Kuly likes Mama Malkin's Borscht.

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I hear Kuly likes Mama Malkin's Borscht.
Mmmmm . . . borscht.

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02-15-2013, 10:54 PM
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I kinda hope that Kennedy and Niskanen's ice-time is partly to show case them. I like both, although Kennedy assuredly deserves no love for his play this season, but neither of them give us what we need.

They could both be replaced by less heralded players already on the roster with us being a better team for it. More so if we got fitting replacements for them.

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02-15-2013, 10:58 PM
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I kinda hope that Kennedy and Niskanen's ice-time is partly to show case them. I like both, although Kennedy assuredly deserves no love for his play this season, but neither of them give us what we need.

They could both be replaced by less heralded players already on the roster with us being a better team for it. More so if we got fitting replacements for them.
Well, as I wrote in the +/- thread, it's either to showcase them or an example of questionable bench management. And, since we know it can't be the latter . . .

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02-15-2013, 11:13 PM
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Can anyone comment on O'Reilly's ability to play wing? I thought he's been purely a center his entire career. If he can make the transition, then we line up great as trade partners.

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O'Reilly is NOT a holdout. He's a restricted free agent. There's a difference.
H's a restricted free agent that's holding out... that's what I meant. I thought it was implied.

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02-15-2013, 11:22 PM
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I kinda hope that Kennedy and Niskanen's ice-time is partly to show case them. I like both, although Kennedy assuredly deserves no love for his play this season, but neither of them give us what we need.

They could both be replaced by less heralded players already on the roster with us being a better team for it. More so if we got fitting replacements for them.
Knowing Shero, he'll probably want another D coming back in a deal if any of our current D on the big club roster is involved in a deal.

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02-15-2013, 11:41 PM
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Knowing Shero, he'll probably want another D coming back in a deal if any of our current D on the big club roster is involved in a deal.
How about...

To Wild: Kennedy + Niskanen + 3rd
To Pens: Setoguchi + Falk

Pens lines...

Kunitz, Crosby, Setoguchi
Bennett, Malkin, Neal
Cooke, Sutter, Dupuis
Glass, Vitale, Adams

Orpik, Martin
Despres, Letang
Bortuzzo, Engelland

Bench: Falk, Jeffrey, Boychuk

Falk is 6'5" 215lbs, skating is average, but he could use a change of scenery.

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Can anyone comment on O'Reilly's ability to play wing? I thought he's been purely a center his entire career. If he can make the transition, then we line up great as trade partners.
I went and asked the Avs fans and they had the following to say:

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The Avalanche are desperate for defense and defensive prospects.

The word is that Sherman wants proven player and a top prospect for O'Reilly.

To answer your first question, no, I cant see O'Reilly playing on the wing. I dont think you would get the maxium out of him if he played there.
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Yea I don't quite get the interest from the Pens perspective either, unless they are really trying hard to replace Staal as a 3rd line center.

O'Reilly's never played wing with the Avs since he broke into the league I believe. I think he'd be pretty useless in that position. He's not the most talented player offensively, but he does have good vision and anticipation. I think he would be significantly less effective both offensively and defensively on the wing. He needs to be at center to play to his strengths.
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I can't imagine anyone wanting to play O'Reilly on the wing. He's 100% a center.

Malkin to wing is one option, I guess but I'm not sure if that'd be ideal for you guys.
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This, unless Pitt has a trade offer for a winger they really want involving Sutter.

I'd say any one of (Which ever Avs management wants) Morrow, Despres, Pouliot and a plus. The problem is that non of Pitts defenders are remotely proven and they are not going to part with a roster player, so we would probably have to take a 1st rounder and risk it being #30th over all. (Not sure I'm down with that or that Avs management would be either.)

I don't really like Pitt as a trading partner... They would need to over pay seriously in prospects without giving us a roster player. I also think O'Reilly would see the same type of situation in Pitt there is in Colorado where there is two centers ahead of him for ice time. Possibly causing him to make contract talks difficult, but you never know as much of a contender as Pitt is.

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02-16-2013, 12:40 AM
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Pens a bad trading partner for Colorado? Pens have Niskanen, plus a few d prospects up for grabs. If anything Colorado is a bad trade partner for Pens.

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02-16-2013, 12:43 AM
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Of course, if we somehow acquired ROR, we could simply move Malkin and Neal up next to Crosby, and go from there...

Malkin-Crosby-Neal
Kunitz-ROR-Dupuis
Cooke-Sutter-TK(or whatever replacement we can find)
Glass-Vitale-Adams

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How about...

To Wild: Kennedy + Niskanen + 3rd
To Pens: Setoguchi + Falk

Pens lines...

Kunitz, Crosby, Setoguchi
Bennett, Malkin, Neal
Cooke, Sutter, Dupuis
Glass, Vitale, Adams

Orpik, Martin
Despres, Letang
Bortuzzo, Engelland

Bench: Falk, Jeffrey, Boychuk

Falk is 6'5" 215lbs, skating is average, but he could use a change of scenery.
I'd only go for Seto if Clutterbuck was in the deal, so pass.

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02-16-2013, 01:23 AM
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H's a restricted free agent that's holding out... that's what I meant. I thought it was implied.
But he is not holding out. Holding out is when you already have a signed contract and now you are not honoring it. He does not have a contract so he is negotiating, not holding out. Big difference.

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02-16-2013, 01:27 AM
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Of course, if we somehow acquired ROR, we could simply move Malkin and Neal up next to Crosby, and go from there...

Malkin-Crosby-Neal
Kunitz-ROR-Dupuis
Cooke-Sutter-TK(or whatever replacement we can find)
Glass-Vitale-Adams
Yeah we could simply destroy the team and go from there.

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02-16-2013, 01:37 AM
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But he is not holding out. Holding out is when you already have a signed contract and now you are not honoring it. He does not have a contract so he is negotiating, not holding out. Big difference.
Missing games while being an RFA has always been called "holding out" as far as I can remember. Some guys like Nedved or Tkachuk were known for it. It just happened less often recently since the 2005 CBA ruled that if you don't sign by Dec 1 you're suspended for the entire season. Not playing despite a signed contract rarely ever happens, I can think of only Yashin and Radulov doing that. And those guys were called worse than holdouts.

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Of course, if we somehow acquired ROR, we could simply move Malkin and Neal up next to Crosby, and go from there...

Malkin-Crosby-Neal
Kunitz-ROR-Dupuis
Cooke-Sutter-TK(or whatever replacement we can find)
Glass-Vitale-Adams
why did we trade Staal again?

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why did we trade Staal again?
maybe because he wanted to play with his brother

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Of course, if we somehow acquired ROR, we could simply move Malkin and Neal up next to Crosby, and go from there...

Malkin-Crosby-Neal
Kunitz-ROR-Dupuis
Cooke-Sutter-TK(or whatever replacement we can find)
Glass-Vitale-Adams
No. All a team has to do is throw out their best shutdown line and pairing, focus all their energy on them...and they will win. Those other three lines won't provide enough offense to bridge the gap if the top line gets shut down.

In all honesty, if we got ROR I would rather run something like this:

Bennett-Crosby-ROR
Kunitz-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Sutter-Dupuis
Glass-Vitale-Adams

Bennett-Crosby-ROR has some skill and two guys that a very responsible defensively. ROR could help provide defensive coverage and let Sid and Bennett get a little liberal with the offense.

Kunitz-Malkin-Neal, it just works.

Cooke-Sutter-Dupuis is a good third, shutdown line.

Glass-Vitale-Adams is God's favorite 4th line. No joke...I talked to him.

Bennett-Malkin-Neal is a bad idea. These guys may be the worst 3 defensive guys we have and to be honest...they have no business being on the same line.

ROR would be nice...but I'm more leaning towards picking up a Clowe, Setoguchi, Stewart, Kulemin, etc. Mid range, long term potential. We can afford two of them for what we'd be paying ROR and a 3rd wheel.

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why did we trade Staal again?
Shero never wanted to trade him. He actually offered him a 10 year deal.

ROR is a very valuable player that may be able to be had for a little below market value because of his contract situation and we may be a good partner since Colorado needs D prospects and prefers to send him east. You almost have to inquire in that situation but I don't think much will come of it. If we did land him then I'd imagine we'd flip him or Sutter for a quality winger.

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Shero never wanted to trade him. He actually offered him a 10 year deal.


Staal walked away from a $60M deal. Two reasons: 1) To Be the Man; 2) To Play with Bro.

Shero did everything he could to prevent and once that ship sailed, to get good value for him.

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O'Reilly is so much better than any of the wing options we've talked about that you go for him and figure out the rest later.

He would work great with either Sid or Geno.

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Of course, if we somehow acquired ROR, we could simply move Malkin and Neal up next to Crosby, and go from there...

Malkin-Crosby-Neal
Kunitz-ROR-Dupuis
Cooke-Sutter-TK(or whatever replacement we can find)
Glass-Vitale-Adams
We didn't move Malkin to wing to keep Staal, we aren't doing it for ROR.

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