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02-16-2013, 02:41 AM
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That stuff won't fly in the everyday NHL life but the way he protected the puck going into the scrum is solid. No one can say he can't play without MacKinnon now
Actually, the more I see Halifax play and the more you can notice that Drouin is more important to Mack than Mack is to Drouin. Drouin can adjust to other linemates, while it seems harder for Mack. Doesn't take anything away from how good of a hockey player he is.

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Sure but most will not end up being good players either, you can't play with hypotheticals like that.

And the 2003 draft isn't a great example that was one of the best drafts ever.
We got the same guy drafting who drafted in 2003, can't see how people think we are getting all these stars out of this draft?

I understand every first round pick on these boards being hailed as future all time greats. Fact of the matter is very seldom does that happen. Unless you are drafting high where odds are much greater at getting a star. A Price or Galchenyuk then yes, Habs would get a core player. Every once in a blue moon you can fluke a pick and get a top player like a Koivu or Pacioretty late in first round. But that don't happen very often, for every one of them there will be a dozen Kostitsyns, Higgins, Fischers, Leblancs, Chipchuras, Ron Hainseys, etc....

In all likelihood the Habs will draft a Gauthier. At the draft he'll be hailed as next Bobby Smith. In fact, he'll be 21 or 22 before he makes it, third line player most of his career. Play on second line his career year, by time he's 27 or 28 he's gone from the organization.

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02-16-2013, 05:02 AM
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My wish list for the Habs draft with their first 4 picks in order of preference is as follows:

Zadarov
Wennberg
Nurse
Gauthier
Zykov
Diaby
Morin

If Timmins gets any 2 of these with the first 4 picks I'm happy. If he gets 3 I'm very happy. If he gets 4 of them, I'll get down on one knee and kiss his ring (if he has one).

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02-16-2013, 05:04 AM
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We got the same guy drafting who drafted in 2003, can't see how people think we are getting all these stars out of this draft?

I understand every first round pick on these boards being hailed as future all time greats. Fact of the matter is very seldom does that happen. Unless you are drafting high where odds are much greater at getting a star. A Price or Galchenyuk then yes, Habs would get a core player. Every once in a blue moon you can fluke a pick and get a top player like a Koivu or Pacioretty late in first round. But that don't happen very often, for every one of them there will be a dozen Kostitsyns, Higgins, Fischers, Leblancs, Chipchuras, Ron Hainseys, etc....

In all likelihood the Habs will draft a Gauthier. At the draft he'll be hailed as next Bobby Smith. In fact, he'll be 21 or 22 before he makes it, third line player most of his career. Play on second line his career year, by time he's 27 or 28 he's gone from the organization.
Or a PK in the 2nd round or gallagher in the 5th round or halak in the 9th. Timmins has found some pretty sweet talent in later rounds and I'm very confident that there will be a lot more names to add to this list in a few years.

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02-16-2013, 05:10 AM
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We got the same guy drafting who drafted in 2003, can't see how people think we are getting all these stars out of this draft?

I understand every first round pick on these boards being hailed as future all time greats. Fact of the matter is very seldom does that happen. Unless you are drafting high where odds are much greater at getting a star. A Price or Galchenyuk then yes, Habs would get a core player. Every once in a blue moon you can fluke a pick and get a top player like a Koivu or Pacioretty late in first round. But that don't happen very often, for every one of them there will be a dozen Kostitsyns, Higgins, Fischers, Leblancs, Chipchuras, Ron Hainseys, etc....

In all likelihood the Habs will draft a Gauthier. At the draft he'll be hailed as next Bobby Smith. In fact, he'll be 21 or 22 before he makes it, third line player most of his career. Play on second line his career year, by time he's 27 or 28 he's gone from the organization.
Or grabovski in the 5th or sk74 in the 7th

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02-16-2013, 07:07 AM
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My draft thoughts from OHL games:

- Steer clear of Rychel
- More should be talking about Monahan
- Justin Bailey would be a perfect second round pick for the Canadiens (and he's a rarity as a right handed winger with size)
- Kujawinski is a good player on a bad team, not worth a second round pick.
- Can't say enough good things about Darnell Nurse
Please explain why you would steer clear of a natural goal scorer with good size?


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02-16-2013, 10:36 AM
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This is my list:
25. Artturi Lehkonen
31. Ian McCoshen
46. Connor Hurley
55. Marko Dano
25. Zykov
31. Dauphin
46. Duclair
55. Morin

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02-16-2013, 01:21 PM
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The more I look at it, the more I think we'll draft between 10 and 20.

And the more I think about it, the more there's a guy that might end up being the best pick, taking into account both the best player available, and team needs.

This guy is Anthony Mantha. 6'3, 200 pounder already. Got a great shot. Finds those open areas in the offensive zone and apparently has an above-average compete level. Great hockey IQ apparently, and his numbers and production don't lie. He looks like a perfect complement to Galchenyuk in the future, and we certainly could use a big body winger out there to complement our rather smallish group of prospects on the wings.

As for the guy talking about how we won't get any quality player at our spot;
Philly got their franchise player at the end of the 1st round in 2006.
We got Subban and Pacioretty after the 20 first picks.
The Blues got David Perron at the very end of the 1st round in 2007.
The Sens got the best d-man in the NHL at #15 in 2008.

Each and every year, there are picks that end up giving you much better value than their rank of selection usually does. And I trust Timmins before a lot of the other guys out there to find those raw diamonds.

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02-16-2013, 02:01 PM
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The more I look at it, the more I think we'll draft between 10 and 20.

And the more I think about it, the more there's a guy that might end up being the best pick, taking into account both the best player available, and team needs.

This guy is Anthony Mantha. 6'3, 200 pounder already. Got a great shot. Finds those open areas in the offensive zone and apparently has an above-average compete level. Great hockey IQ apparently, and his numbers and production don't lie. He looks like a perfect complement to Galchenyuk in the future, and we certainly could use a big body winger out there to complement our rather smallish group of prospects on the wings.
Not sure this is really the case with Mantha.

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02-16-2013, 02:04 PM
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I'm not sure I'd draft Mantha in the top 20...definitely not top 15, after that maybe.

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02-16-2013, 03:10 PM
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Are you saying Mantha doesn't have an above average compete level?

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02-16-2013, 03:19 PM
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We got the same guy drafting who drafted in 2003, can't see how people think we are getting all these stars out of this draft?

I understand every first round pick on these boards being hailed as future all time greats. Fact of the matter is very seldom does that happen. Unless you are drafting high where odds are much greater at getting a star. A Price or Galchenyuk then yes, Habs would get a core player. Every once in a blue moon you can fluke a pick and get a top player like a Koivu or Pacioretty late in first round. But that don't happen very often, for every one of them there will be a dozen Kostitsyns, Higgins, Fischers, Leblancs, Chipchuras, Ron Hainseys, etc....

In all likelihood the Habs will draft a Gauthier. At the draft he'll be hailed as next Bobby Smith. In fact, he'll be 21 or 22 before he makes it, third line player most of his career. Play on second line his career year, by time he's 27 or 28 he's gone from the organization.
Ok thank you. Good to know we can forego the draft since there are no elite players taken after the top 5.

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Are you saying Mantha doesn't have an above average compete level?
Yes. I am not saying he doesn't compete, but I would not call it ''above average'' from the few times I saw him.

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I'm not sure I'd draft Mantha in the top 20...definitely not top 15, after that maybe.
From what I saw, you just have to draft Mantha top-20. If we draft 20th and he's still on the board and we pass on him to draft an European player with interrogation marks surrounding his game, I'll be pissed.

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Yes. I am not saying he doesn't compete, but I would not call it ''above average'' from the few times I saw him.
I didn't see him often enough to start judging how high his compete level is. But form what I read several times, including a vlog from Craig Button (I know he's not the most popular guy here, but it's still another opinion that adds up to the other ones), he's definitely not a player known for having a poor compete level. And his shot is so deadly I'm not sure I'd pass on the opportunity of having him and Galchenyuk playing together for the next 20 years if we can get him at #20.

If we go D and we're around 15-20, there's one option. Give quality assets to move up and go take Zadorov or Nurse around 10-12.


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Yes. I am not saying he doesn't compete, but I would not call it ''above average'' from the few times I saw him.
He's all hustle imo. He's not good defensively but he puts in the effort.

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can be more tenacious, compete harder, get nastier at times .. doesn’t use his size away from the puck consistently – just sporadically .. also tends to lose steam once plays fizzle – won’t sustain compete level after being dispossessed.

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When I watch Anthony Mantha, I just see James Neal. This guy will end up being a sniper and it would kill me to wait for a guy like Wennberg when we can have this kind of guy in the lineup.

As for the compete level, I don't know what to make of that. Short-term it's hard to judge a player consistantly on it. So I base my opinion on what I heard. That being said, most 17 years old out there have to learn things about this aspect of their games. It's not the kind of quotes that would prevent me from drafting a potential James Neal.

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Sure. I've seen him enough to see the hustle. I think it's pretty decent when attacking. Room for improvement in intensity defensively? Definitely.

I agree about using his body away from the puck though for sure. Rarely plays the body when he should be demolishing players.

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The more I look at it, the more I think we'll draft between 10 and 20.

And the more I think about it, the more there's a guy that might end up being the best pick, taking into account both the best player available, and team needs.

This guy is Anthony Mantha. 6'3, 200 pounder already. Got a great shot. Finds those open areas in the offensive zone and apparently has an above-average compete level. Great hockey IQ apparently, and his numbers and production don't lie. He looks like a perfect complement to Galchenyuk in the future, and we certainly could use a big body winger out there to complement our rather smallish group of prospects on the wings.

As for the guy talking about how we won't get any quality player at our spot;
Philly got their franchise player at the end of the 1st round in 2006.
We got Subban and Pacioretty after the 20 first picks.
The Blues got David Perron at the very end of the 1st round in 2007.
The Sens got the best d-man in the NHL at #15 in 2008.

Each and every year, there are picks that end up giving you much better value than their rank of selection usually does. And I trust Timmins before a lot of the other guys out there to find those raw diamonds.
Habs have had enough lazy "elite" forwards. That attitude and work ethic is a thing of the past for good reason.

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Watched Mantha play the last two games against Hudon. He really wasn't noticeable in any way, apart from a scuffle in the first game and a pair of power play shifts today. He did score a goal in tight. He wasn't moving his feet, especially in his own zone, and avoided the corners. He didn't battle very hard along the boards either, but that has improved since the last time that I watched him, about a month ago.

I was far more impressed with Vincent Dunn, which tends to be the case more often than not when I watch Val-d'Or.

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As for the guy talking about how we won't get any quality player at our spot;
Philly got their franchise player at the end of the 1st round in 2006.
We got Subban and Pacioretty after the 20 first picks.
The Blues got David Perron at the very end of the 1st round in 2007.
The Sens got the best d-man in the NHL at #15 in 2008.
Actually, "the guy" (Mats86) never said that. Only said the odds at getting a star player are not good when you draft late in the first round. Go back through the last two decades and look at the mean number of games played/points scored in the NHL by players drafted from pick 20 to 30 and you will reach the conclusion: he is absolutely right. You can name a few exceptions on every draft but it does not change the fact that while it does happen sometimes, we should not expect drafting a star player at that range.

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Not sure this is really the case with Mantha.
His Compete level is fine. Better than average is right on the spot. He's not on Dumont-level but he doesn't take many shifts off either.

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He's all hustle imo. He's not good defensively but he puts in the effort.
He won't be a defensive specialist in the show but in the 'Q he's fairly responsible. He was used on PK Wednesday in Sherbrooke and caused trouble to the PP to setup.

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When I watch Anthony Mantha, I just see James Neal. This guy will end up being a sniper and it would kill me to wait for a guy like Wennberg when we can have this kind of guy in the lineup.

As for the compete level, I don't know what to make of that. Short-term it's hard to judge a player consistantly on it. So I base my opinion on what I heard. That being said, most 17 years old out there have to learn things about this aspect of their games. It's not the kind of quotes that would prevent me from drafting a potential James Neal.
That's a pretty good comparison.

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Watched Mantha play the last two games against Hudon. He really wasn't noticeable in any way, apart from a scuffle in the first game and a pair of power play shifts today. He did score a goal in tight. He wasn't moving his feet, especially in his own zone, and avoided the corners. He didn't battle very hard along the boards either, but that has improved since the last time that I watched him, about a month ago.

I was far more impressed with Vincent Dunn, which tends to be the case more often than not when I watch Val-d'Or.
I've seen Val-D'or twice live and 4 times on TV this year and Mantha was the most noticeable every game. Given that Dunn was injured for one of the live game. Mantha is just a continuous threat. Yes the games live were against Sherbrooke who are far from a contender in the 'Q, but their D is average at worst.


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Saw Poirier live yesterday, and his first few strides were much more better than what I recalled. He was forcing the D to give him space with it. Lacked a bit of finish in that game but he was working hard, both offensively and defensively. He looked pretty big too, close to 6'2 I'd say.

I still have my concerns over his offensive potential. But he's really become a threat with his skating. He has a pretty heavy wrister too.

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It's pretty hard to choose between Mantha and Gauthier. With Mantha, you have a chance to complete your first line. With Gauthier, you add depth and your top 6 is stronger (long term). It's like:

Collberg - Galchenyuk - Mantha
Pacioretty - Plekanek/Eller - Gallagher

vs

Collberg - Galchenyuk -Pacioretty
Kristo - Gauthier - Gallagher

IMO, I would aim for Gauthier and then draft Duclair in the beginning of the 2nd. Duclair has the lighting speed that could complete Collberg and Galchenyuk. I could see it like that (yes it's a dream-no-bust-all-prospect team).

Collberg - Galchenyuk - Duclair
Pacioretty - Gauthier - Gallagher
Hudon - Eller - Kristo
Prust - Vail - Bournival

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Freaking Nashville! That's now 5 overtime losses in 15 games. They're screwing us!!!

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