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02-11-2013, 01:44 PM
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Not every defenseman picked in the first round is going to be a top-4 guy. I'd be VERY pleased if Schmaltz can be a top-6 D man with a great PP. The guy was a late first round pick, I'm not sure what you guys were expecting. Even defenseman picked in the top 5 like Hedman and Bogosian are not even top-4 D-man.

Schmaltz is very intriguing, and I like the future of seeing him compliment Petro and Shatty. This year's draft it's time to add another forward.
Hedman right now is Top 15 in the league probably.

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Anyone know what kind of Ice time Schmaltz is getting? Looks like he is getting some PP time now. I'm guessing he has earned more ice time from the coaching staff as the season has progressed.

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Schmaltz is one of those players that you don't judge month to month much less game to game.

Over his collegiate career, he won't regress because his puck skills and hockey sense are too good so he'll either stagnate or rapidly ascent.

The Blues were banking on Schmaltz figuring it out off the ice because he has most of the tools you can't teach on it. In USHL circles, he was known as a guy with a notoriously bad work ethic and despite his ability and 6'2" frame, that's the reason why he plummeted down the draft rankings.

This is a kid who was just given too many natural gifts for the game and didn't have to work for anything to be the best among in his peer group. He committed to Wisconsin as a 14-year old, won Nationals with the Chicago Mission, had one of the best offensive seasons for a defenseman as a 17-year old since the USHL went to Tier 1, and then won the Clark Cup in his second season with Green Bay.

The kid's a player there's no doubt it but it's simply a matter of coupling his immense ability with the same dedication in other areas like the weight room, conducting yourself like a pro, and developing a mindset where you will do anything it takes to make it to the show. That might be a cliche but Schmaltz is the poster boy for that type of prospect.

All in all, he's had a good start at NoDak.


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Just to clarify, I am not say Schmaltz will not be a top 4 guy. Rather, he has a ton of work to do if he wants to become one. The kid has the physical abilities to be a top 4, but is lacking in many areas. He is a long-term, high risk, high reward player. Right now, in my eyes, he is not a sure bet to be a top 4 guy, but like I said he has a long way to go before we will be able to confidently give a projection.
The way we label players as either Top 4 or top 6 can also lead to this kind of confusion, focusing so much on his potential rather than how far away he is.

He certainly has top 4 tools, if you can put up points from the back end, you can play in the NHL.

NCAA is the right place for him though, he needs time to develop into a bigger role. UND has a good track record with talent, and the NCAA has been a good place for talented defensemen to develop in in recent years. Brendan Smith, Shattenkirk, McDonough, Leddy, Gardiner, Schultz, and Faulk have had good amounts of success early in their careers after playing in the NCAA, often moreso than many CHLers drafted ahead of and around them.

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Schmaltz is one of those players that you don't judge month to month much less game to game.

Over his collegiate career, he won't regress because his puck skills and hockey sense are too good so he'll either stagnate or rapidly ascent.

The Blues were banking on Schmaltz figuring it out off the ice because he has most of the tools you can't teach on it. In USHL circles, he was known as a guy with a notoriously bad work ethic and despite his ability and 6'2" frame, that's the reason why he plummeted down the draft rankings.

This is a kid who was just given too many natural gifts for the game and didn't have to work for anything to be the best among in his peer group. He committed to Wisconsin as a 14-year old, won Nationals with the Chicago Mission, had one of the best offensive seasons for a defenseman as a 17-year old since the USHL went to Tier 1, and then won the Clark Cup in his second season with Green Bay.

The kid's a player there's no doubt it but it's simply a matter of coupling his immense ability with the same dedication in other areas like the weight room, conducting yourself like a pro, and developing a mindset where you will do anything it takes to make it to the show. That might be a cliche but Schmaltz is the poster boy for that type of prospect.

All in all, he's had a good start at NoDak.
Appreciate the info. I would have to say college at North Dakota may be the best place for him then. I like how he is having to earn his stripes behind a deep blue line. If anything will push him to play better, then it may be pine time. He either buys into their system or he can be replaced. That will make him grow up quick or he will be gone.

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02-11-2013, 05:21 PM
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Prospects Current Stats/Weekly Progress Report
North America Prospects
QMJHL
D. Jaškin - 42GP 39+42 81PT +21 58PIM (1gp 3+1 4PT +3)
Y. Veilleux - 49GP 25+27 52PT +10 90PIM (1gp 1+2 3PT +1)
R. Tesink - 41GP 17+25 42PT +6 81PIM (0gp-Injured)
F. Tremblay - 38GP 18-15-0-3 .898 sv% 3.25GAA (2gp .955%/1.5GA)

WHL
T. Rattie - 47GP 31+50 81PT +48 21PIM (3gp 2+6 8PT +5)
J. Edmundson - 50GP 5+14 19PT +3 112PIM (0gp)
N. Walters - 49GP 1+13 14PT -23 84PIM (3gp 0+0 0PT -4)
T. Seaman - 24GP 3+5 8PT +3 17PIM (0gp-Injured-Upperbody)

OHL
J. Binnington - 38GP 24-10-1-3 .930 sv% 2.29GAA (2gp .887%/4.5GA)

NCAA
M. Gardiner - 25GP 3+17 20PT +6 20PIM (2gp 1+1 2PT -1)
C. Parayko - 24GP 4+6 10PT -4 23PIM (2gp 0+0 0PT EV)
J. Schmaltz - 30GP 2+7 9PT +2 25PIM (2gp 1+0 1PT +1)
S. Kurker - 21GP 2+2 4PT -7 22PIM (1gp 0+0 0PT -1)
M. Tardy - 13GP 0+1 1PT EV 6PIM (0gp)

USHL
M. MacEachern - 27GP 4+7 11PT -3 17PIM (2gp 0+0 0PT +1)

AHL
J. Schwartz - 33GP 9+10 19PT -14 14PIM (0gp-St.Louis)
M. Cundari - 38GP 3+16 19PT EV 50PIM (2gp 0+1 1PT EV)
P. McRae - 44GP 7+11 18PT -11 19PIM (2gp 1+0 1PT -1)
E. Grachev - 47GP 8+8 16PT -11 26PIM (3gp 1+0 1PT -1)
I. Cole - 34GP 3+11 14PT -9 43PIM (0gp-St.Louis)
S. Andronov - 38GP 7+5 12PT EV 18PIM (3gp 0+1 1PT -1)
A. Peluso - 36GP 5+6 11PT -4 58PIM (0gp-Evansville)
T. Chorney - 44GP 2+9 11PT -13 23PIM (3gp 0+1 1PT -1)
B. Sonne - 38Gp 4+3 7PT -3 10PIM (3gp 0+0 0PT EV)
T. Shattock - 38GP 3+5 8PT -4 9PIM (3gp 1+0 1PT EV)
C. Beach - 14GP 1+5 6PT +9 40PIM (3gp 0+0 0PT EV)
A. Nigro - 19GP 2+3 5PT -1 10PIM (1gp 0+0 0PT EV)
C. Fairchild - 29GP 0+4 4PT -10 12PIM (3gp 0+0 0PT -3)
S. Wännström - 16GP 1+2 3PT -6 4PIM (0GP-Sweden)
D. Shields - 36GP 0+2 2PT -9 24PIM (1gp 0+0 0PT -2)
S. Della Rovere - 11Gp 1+0 1PT -2 15PIM (0gp-Evansville)
J. Barriball - 9GP 0+0 0PT -6 2PIM (1gp 0+0 0PT EV)
B. Ponich - 18GP 0+0 0PT -2 29PIM (2gp 0+0 0PT EV)
J. Allen - 31GP 12-16-2-2 .903 sv% 2.94GAA (0gp-St.Louis)

Euro Prospects
KHL
J. Lehterä - 49GP 17+30 47PT +17 37PIM (0gp)
V. Tarasenko - 31GP 14+17 31PT +16 8PIM (0gp-St.Louis)

FEL
T. Eronen - 45GP 6+15 21PT +13 18PIM (0gp)
J. Hakanpää - 30GP 2+2 4PT -1 32PIM (0gp)
P. Lindbohm - 28GP 0+4 4PT EV 57PIM (0gp)

SEL
N. Lundström - 12GP 3.06GAA .904sv%(SEL) (0gp)

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02-11-2013, 05:25 PM
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This Weeks NA Schedule (All Times CDT-P.M.)
Feb. 11
QMJHL- Moncton 5:00
WHL- Portland 4:00
NCAA- BU 3:30
Feb. 13
AHL- Peoria 7:05
QMJHL- Val-d'Or 6:00
WHL- Brandon 7:00, Kamloops 9:00
OHL- OwenSound 6:00
Feb. 15
AHL- Peoria 7:05
QMJHL- Moncton 5:30, Blainville-Boisbriand 6:30, Val-d'Or 6:30
WHL- Brandon 7:30, Kamloops 9:00, Portland 9:00
NCAA- PSU 6:30, BU 6:30, UAF 6:35, UMD 7:37
OHL- OwenSound 6:30
USHL- Chicago 7:30
Feb. 16
AHL- Peoria 7:35
QMJHL- Val-d'Or 3:00, Moncton 5:00, Blainville-Boisbriand 6:00
WHL- Portland 5:00, Brandon 7:30, Kamloops 9:05
NCAA- PSU 2:30, BU 6:00, UAF 6:35, UMD 7:07
OHL- OwenSound 6:30
USHL- Chicago 7:00
Feb. 17
QMJHL- Val-d'Or 3:00


This Weeks Euro Schedule (All Times CST-A.M.)
Feb. 12
FEL- Espoo Blues 10:30, Jokerit 10:30
SEL- AIK 12:15(A.M.)
Feb. 13
KHL- Sibir 9:30
Feb. 14
SEL- AIK 12:00(A.M.)
Feb. 15
KHL- Sibir 9:00
FEL- Espoo Blues 10:30, Jokerit 10:30
Feb. 16
FEL- Espoo Blues 9:00, Jokerit 9:00
Feb. 17
KHL- Sibir 7:00

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02-11-2013, 06:21 PM
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Halfway through the game in Vanvouver, Rattie has 2 goals, 1 assist.

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You can remove Peluso from your prospect list. Since he isn't in the org. anymore

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Rattie Monday matinee: 4 goals, 1 assist.

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Rattie Monday matinee: 4 goals, 1 assist.
I saw that. Wow. I sure hope his scoring can translate to the next level. He is certainly putting up ridiculous numbers. I just hope he isn't a product of a very good team. 2 guys on his team have already eclipsed the 100 point plateau. I'm kind of interested in Troy Rutkowski whom the Avalanche let his rights expire. He's having a monster year on the point. 17 goals 36 assist +28. good size. Possible free agent pickup or late round draft flyer?

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Rutkowski is only a Offensive D man. He was not signed to an ELC because he can not play defense, case closed.Only reason his +/- is high is because he is paired with Seth Jones or Derrick Pouliot, both are first round picks.

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Here's a depressing read about pretty much every player in Peoria.

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I realize that the Rivermen are not as talented as once thought (for sure McRae, Grachev, and company have been a disappointment) but they are not as poor a group as the product they are creating.

I think the Blues may need to spend some time looking over that operation very seriously, in particular in light of the team getting what should be some very decent players next season and the following one. Stagnating their growth due to ineffective coaching/mentoring/etc. would be a waste of resources and the Blues do not have the financial wherewithal to allow for that to happen.

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For many years the model franchise was Detroit. Great drafting of impact players and stars, developing young talent for several years together in Grand Rapids and slow integration into the lineup.

The Blues' rebuild was premised on a Detroit model. The good news is the NHL roster is fairly deep. The other good news is next season the AHL team will get an influx of strong prospect talent: Rattie, Jaskin, Hakanpaa (probably), Edmundson, Binnington. The NHL roster is still mostly young, certainly not where guys are likely to be displaced at any rapid clip. In 2-3 years, the AHL club might start becoming stacked with higher and higher concentrations of talent.

I agree with Multimoodia, the Blues can't waste those resources. They need to invest in better coaching and development because Peoria has really not gotten it done for quite awhile in terms of developing talent.

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For many years the model franchise was Detroit. Great drafting of impact players and stars, developing young talent for several years together in Grand Rapids and slow integration into the lineup.

The Blues' rebuild was premised on a Detroit model. The good news is the NHL roster is fairly deep. The other good news is next season the AHL team will get an influx of strong prospect talent: Rattie, Jaskin, Hakanpaa (probably), Edmundson, Binnington. The NHL roster is still mostly young, certainly not where guys are likely to be displaced at any rapid clip. In 2-3 years, the AHL club might start becoming stacked with higher and higher concentrations of talent.

I agree with Multimoodia, the Blues can't waste those resources. They need to invest in better coaching and development because Peoria has really not gotten it done for quite awhile in terms of developing talent.
Look at this I am agreeing 100% with a PocketNines post lol.

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Look at this I am agreeing 100% with a PocketNines post lol.


me too

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Is it they haven't developed talent or they haven't had a lot to work with?

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For many years the model franchise was Detroit. Great drafting of impact players and stars, developing young talent for several years together in Grand Rapids and slow integration into the lineup.

The Blues' rebuild was premised on a Detroit model. The good news is the NHL roster is fairly deep. The other good news is next season the AHL team will get an influx of strong prospect talent: Rattie, Jaskin, Hakanpaa (probably), Edmundson, Binnington. The NHL roster is still mostly young, certainly not where guys are likely to be displaced at any rapid clip. In 2-3 years, the AHL club might start becoming stacked with higher and higher concentrations of talent.

I agree with Multimoodia, the Blues can't waste those resources. They need to invest in better coaching and development because Peoria has really not gotten it done for quite awhile in terms of developing talent.
Well said, and don't forget about Yannick Veilleux for next year.

I'm figuring it's about time to turn the page on guys like Nigro, Sonne, Barriball, Della Rovere, Chorney. I like all those guys, but they've all pretty much plateaued as far as their NHL potential.

Andronov came over in a surprise move, and has earned at least an actual NHL contract instead of the AHL deal he's playing on. He's still fairly young, has good size, good wheels, and isn't a defensive liability.

I'm told by Dave Eminian via Twitter that, in his estimation, the chances of Wannstrom coming back next year are very good, and if some of the chaff mentioned above is moved out, there's a roster spot open for him without having to screw him around with demotions to Evansville.

I still think it's too soon to give up on Grachev, too,

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I watched another Boston University game last night, and I don't know about Kurker. He is truly a project and has a LONG way to go. Skates well, tentative defender, and looked a bit lost at times. I don't know if the hockey instinct is there with the tools. Three more years to go.

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I watched another Boston University game last night, and I don't know about Kurker. He is truly a project and has a LONG way to go. Skates well, tentative defender, and looked a bit lost at times. I don't know if the hockey instinct is there with the tools. Three more years to go.
BU is having a rough year. Lots of their top guys kicked off the team or left on their own accord over the last two years and Jack Parker even questioned if he lost the locker room after the Beanpot. Probably not the best environment for a true freshman coming into Hockey East straight out of Prep. Kurker probably would've benefitted by playing in the USHL this year for Indiana who had his rights.

Mackenzie MacEachern is another prospect from the 2012 draft who is going through some growing pains as he adjusts to a major upgrade in competition from Michigan High School Hockey to the USHL. Only five goals in 28 games played and two goals since October 19th. Perhaps it's not a coincidence that he hasn't been the same player statistically since suffering a concussion. That pick was always a huge gamble considering his only competition was against other Michigan high school teams. I mean, the kid didn't even play Tier 1 midget hockey which is very abnormal. He was 6'3" as a sophomore so of course he was dominating. But clearly Michigan State and the Blues saw something in him.

Needless to say, and we knew it at the time, but no one can really make snap judgements about our top 3 picks from the 2012 draft. They are huge projects and their development will take years and years.

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BU is having a rough year. Lots of their top guys kicked off the team or left on their own accord over the last two years and Jack Parker even questioned if he lost the locker room after the Beanpot. Probably not the best environment for a true freshman coming into Hockey East straight out of Prep. Kurker probably would've benefitted by playing in the USHL this year for Indiana who had his rights.

Mackenzie MacEachern is another prospect from the 2012 draft who is going through some growing pains as he adjusts to a major upgrade in competition from Michigan High School Hockey to the USHL. Only five goals in 28 games played and two goals since October 19th. Perhaps it's not a coincidence that he hasn't been the same player statistically since suffering a concussion. That pick was always a huge gamble considering his only competition was against other Michigan high school teams. I mean, the kid didn't even play Tier 1 midget hockey which is very abnormal. He was 6'3" as a sophomore so of course he was dominating. But clearly Michigan State and the Blues saw something in him.

Needless to say, and we knew it at the time, but no one can really make snap judgements about our top 3 picks from the 2012 draft. They are huge projects and their development will take years and years.
I work with the Miami Redhawks and let me tell you transitioning to the college game as a freshman is a very tough thing to do, especially if your team isn't winning. The college game is alot more like the way blues and preds games are rather than major junior which is more like watching a pittsburgh and washington game.

Even if guys like kurker, maceacheren etc... aren't puttin up the points and there stats aren't looking good.... lemme tell you there definitely learning the defensive side of the game and becoming better and more well rounded players. They'll start puttin up more points as sophomores and juniors while this year they play to round out there two way game. Believe there coaches have big plans for them.

Also, a prime example would be Sean Kuraly for the redhawks... He's a tall thin freshman drafted by san jose in the 5th round and if you look at his stats atleast acouple weeks ago you would just gag. he had like 4 or five points and was a -3 or something. Then he goes and plays top minutes in the world juniors and quietly puts up i think a point or two above a PPg. He's learning the defensive side of the game and has been starting to put up more points since the world juniors. struggled yesterday against notre dame tho... it was kinda weird. But anyway i think you guys get my point.

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Anyone more acquainted with the Peoria roster want to have a guess at what the line up would look like next season with the addition of Jaškin, Rattie, Veilleux, Hakanpää, Edmondson and maybe Eronen/Lindbohm?

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Anyone more acquainted with the Peoria roster want to have a guess at what the line up would look like next season with the addition of Jaškin, Rattie, Veilleux, Hakanpää, Edmondson and maybe Eronen/Lindbohm?
and binnington?

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A player that has got my attention is J C Lipon from Kamloops in the WHL. I know he has been passed over a few times in the draft, but he may be a guy to pick up, if he is still sitting there in the later rounds for Peoria next year. He has decent size. Tough as nails. Possible late bloomer?

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