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View Poll Results: A quarter of the way through the 2013 season, do you approve or disapprove of Torts?
Approve 168 50.45%
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02-14-2013, 11:27 AM
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It makes no sense to say you disapprove of the job someone is doing but you want them to keep that job, unless I guess you think everyone else in the world is even more incompetent at the job, and in that case maybe you better reassess you conception of approval and disapproval.

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02-14-2013, 12:09 PM
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Overall approve. With big personnel changes, the lockout, and a tough early schedule I think he's done a fine job. Last 10 they're 7-3.

Issues:

1. Needs to keep Nash, Richards, and Gaborik separate.
2. Obviously, PP needs fixing.
3. Also obvious, fix the friggin line change issue (though I lay at least half the blame on the players -- this **** shouldn't be hard).


I don't get the *****ing about the system or the dump and chase though. The system is a HUGE part of this team's success. Even though they have upgraded talent wise from last year, I completely disagree that they have the personnel upfront beyond their star forwards to play any system that is significantly different. Please tell me which one of Callahan, Stepan, Hagelin, Pyatt, Kreider, Miller, Boyle, Powe, Asham, Halpern, or Bickel are consistently able to handle the puck well, make great passes, or have the finesse to pull off a puck control offense? I like their roster at this point - don't get me wrong - but if you think they're going to be able to play a run and gun or offensive minded system, I don't know what players you've been watching.

Torts is using a system that works - it got them to the ECF last year and works well for other teams that play a similar style: StL, Boston.

Regarding the dump and chase whine fest... its a part of the game. Do the Rangers do it a bit more than other teams? Sure. Why is that? Perhaps because they have no other play to make or the players don't want to try to force something and give up an odd man rush? That is called playing responsibly. Do you think they'd rather carry it over the blue line if they could? Of course they would. Get over it.

Incredibly skilled offense is fun to watch -- I get it. I loved watching the Detroit Red Wings of the late 90's and early 00's because they had the personnel to be an amazingly skilled puck possession team. But the Red Wings don't win any of those cups without Lidstrom, a solid d-corps, and the grind line. It is absolutely true that defense and depth wins championships. The Rangers finally seem to have been building toward both of those things.

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Approve. I'm curious to anyone who chooses disapprove.
This exactly.

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02-14-2013, 12:15 PM
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Disapprove.
The REALITY of last year's playoffs, we ran out of gas because we could not finish and because of this damn system which puts too much injury at risk with excessive shot blocking too much of the time.

We may yet win in spite of him.
He works them hard, but too many close games last year.

If we wanna win, we gotta dominate to improve our chances.
That is partly the horses you have but also the system.

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02-14-2013, 02:02 PM
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I'm just not a fan of his system. Its really as simple as that.

I enjoy the success, but ultimately I have little faith in where its gonna take us.

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02-14-2013, 03:03 PM
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It makes no sense to say you disapprove of the job someone is doing but you want them to keep that job, unless I guess you think everyone else in the world is even more incompetent at the job, and in that case maybe you better reassess you conception of approval and disapproval.
There was no "in-between" option.

I like that this team is faster, plays grittier, tough along the boards. I also fully support him going ballistic and ripping players a new ******* when they deserve it.

With that said, the dreadful power play is a mess. He doesn't want to hire someone who can rectify it and that's a fault.

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This exactly.
Read the thread and your curiosity should be satiated.

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02-14-2013, 04:03 PM
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Do not like his line handling/changing.
Do not like his lack of control over what should be at the LEAST a good PP but is instead a joke.
Do not like his persistence in playing some players in odd situations and his very strange dedication to players like Bickle by playing a sub-par defenseman as a joke forward.

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02-14-2013, 05:05 PM
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Agreed with everything here. Like always, we are on the same page. I assume jas agrees too. Hah.
What if...humor me here...but what if...you're both the same guy! Is there an inception smiley?

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02-16-2013, 05:50 PM
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PAP continues to score . He was t a Torts kind of guy . Just another mid management of personnel by the Clown . Side show coach , side show decisions . Worst PP in league . What more is there to say .

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Huh. Looks like a small, but extremely vocal group of fans who hate Torts.

Who woulda guessed.

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02-16-2013, 07:51 PM
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PAP continues to score . He was t a Torts kind of guy . Just another mid management of personnel by the Clown . Side show coach , side show decisions . Worst PP in league . What more is there to say .

You, uh, you don't need to hit the spacebar before putting a period there.




Also, I didn't know the coach was in charge of trades and signings.

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02-17-2013, 06:17 AM
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I'm just not a fan of his system. Its really as simple as that.

I enjoy the success, but ultimately I have little faith in where its gonna take us.
I agree with you, I don't like his system but it kinda works. It's very different than most post '05 lockout Cup teams with the exception of Boston.

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02-17-2013, 02:56 PM
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I have a tough time approving him, but an even tougher time disapproving of him. They have yet to show they can hold a lead. They have yet to show any progress on the PP. They've done a decent job getting up and running after no camp and plenty of turnover. They lost to the Isles, then again so did the Devils.

I really wish he'd simply loosen the leash because there was no camp. I like the system if it's a typical season and everyone can get acclimated, but the only way you get professionals going is to just let them play. Learning on the fly is tough enough, mixed with a shortened season just puts wholly unnecessary pressure and compounds the issue.

I guess I overall approve,but as the season progresses I'm headed in the other direction - second quarter can stop that.

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02-17-2013, 03:09 PM
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Worst PP
Most too many men penalties
Poor bench management
Refusal to play 6 defenseman
As of now on playoff bubble . Not sure how his approval is so great .
Missed PO / two out in one / one lost conference final . Not exactly accomplished anything . He does have direct influence Intrades and signings and he's let some players go who are very productive NHL players because they " weren't Torts kind of guys " incidentally the single stupidest saying . I guess Torts doesn't like players who score on the Power play and can shoot one timers accurately .

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I feel like no camp killed us. We rely on that heavy conditioning stuff Torts does.

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02-17-2013, 04:03 PM
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The dumb minority likes to run their yappers a lot. Good thing they're the minority because if they got their way they'd run this team into the ground. It's incredible how arrogant they can be and how little they understand both hockey and pro-sports in general.

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I don't see us winning a cup with Torts. Our core are no longer babies. Staal, Cally, Girardi etc. They all have several years under their belts. They don't respond as well to the same type of yelling and emotion-on-sleeve coaching you use for a college or junior team.

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as the president of the torts the clown fan club i will say i am not a fan. at all.

hes grouchy and snarky and the whole stick swing thing was something i could never get past. if hes the face of the rangers, we need a new face.

his system is painful to watch most nights and his success imo is directly proportionate to henrick lundqvist and his ability to win close low scoring games.

i still believe this team could really contend with a more skillful coach who can get the most out of his offensive players.

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as the president of the torts the clown fan club i will say i am not a fan. at all.

hes grouchy and snarky and the whole stick swing thing was something i could never get past. if hes the face of the rangers, we need a new face.

his system is painful to watch most nights and his success imo is directly proportionate to henrick lundqvist and his ability to win close low scoring games.

i still believe this team could really contend with a more skillful coach who can get the most out of his offensive players.
Agreed, though the first 2 periods tonight were nice to watch. 3rd period was typical Torts coached period. Play it safe.

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Agreed, though the first 2 periods tonight were nice to watch. 3rd period was typical Torts coached period. Play it safe.
The shell up turtle thing is bad.

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02-17-2013, 07:55 PM
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I don't see us winning a cup with Torts. Our core are no longer babies. Staal, Cally, Girardi etc. They all have several years under their belts. They don't respond as well to the same type of yelling and emotion-on-sleeve coaching you use for a college or junior team.
Are you Staal, Cally, and Girardi's psychologist?

Are you on the team to witness how Torts interacts with the guys on a day to day basis?

If no... then that severely weakens your argument to the point where I believe you would pretty much be better served keeping it to yourself in the future.

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Not a fan of the system, the constant line juggling, or the guy's stubborness but the team has had some success under him. Unless this team hits rock bottom we're stuck with him for a while.

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The team has become a real contender since he's been here. Whether they eventually win a cup remains to be seen. I haven't always agreed with him on personnel decisions or in game decisions but the team moved forward the last couple years. A bit of a slow start here--shortened season, no training camp, lots of new faces may be part of the reason for that. It's hard to qualify. Structurally I think we have some holes and bigger ones than who is going to be the 6th d although that is a concern as well. I don't think this team is quite tough enough (I think our AHL team is much tougher) and I'm not sure we have enough forwards for pk duty (losing Powe may really hurt us)--almost no production out of the 3rd and 4th lines (where have you gone Brian Boyle?).

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as the president of the torts the clown fan club i will say i am not a fan. at all.

hes grouchy and snarky and the whole stick swing thing was something i could never get past. if hes the face of the rangers, we need a new face.

his system is painful to watch most nights and his success imo is directly proportionate to henrick lundqvist and his ability to win close low scoring games.

i still believe this team could really contend with a more skillful coach who can get the most out of his offensive players.
Wouldn't that mean he is playing to the teams strengths? Best goalie in the world? World-class defense? Solid 2-way forwards? Sure the Rangers have some offensive weapons, and the team has opened the system up slightly, but when you are built from the net out, why not use that as your strength?

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