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02-16-2013, 09:52 PM
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The Avs were dumb enough to give Shattenkirk in the Blues trade.
And might do the same with this Barrie kid. Heard whispers about him consistently for a while, but haven't seen much of him. Any good? Duncan Siemens? Apparently he's a Hamhuis type that's raised some alarms with off ice conduct.

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ROR is a better hockey player than Stepan. At least right now, we would all notice that big time if he were to make the jump over here.

They don't want a C in return so for those of you saying Steps I don't see that happening anyway, my guess is that ROR comes over so that Richards, Steps, ROR are our Centers which looks pretty damn good for a team hurting down the middle.

ROR + EJ For MDZ + Boyle + would be interesting potatoes. My only fear in trading MDZ is that he becomes the next Scott Niedermayer in a few years.

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Like I said, I'd be pissed if DZ was traded for a Mike York type...
He's not a Mike York type. Mike York was a small waterbug. ROR isn't huge, but even with inflation there's a big difference between 6'0" 205 lbs (ROR) and 5'10" 185 lbs. (York - and if he was that big I'll eat my hat).

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I'm not interested in paying his salary and giving up the talent it will take to acquire him... just not a good match, unless they want Richards in return (and thats not even because he's sucked this year, rather than getting out of the contract)
Due to the fact that he seems to not want to sign there, the price may be lower.

Like RB said, Goligoski got Neal + Niskanen. Both players were signed.

Johnson got Stewart + Shattenkirk.

MDZ for O'Reilly + _______

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ROR is a better hockey player than Stepan. At least right now, we would all notice that big time if he were to make the jump over here.

They don't want a C in return so for those of you saying Steps I don't see that happening anyway, my guess is that ROR comes over so that Richards, Steps, ROR are our Centers which looks pretty damn good for a team hurting down the middle.

ROR + EJ For MDZ + Boyle + would be interesting potatoes. My only fear in trading MDZ is that he becomes the next Scott Niedermayer in a few years.
I like Del Zotto, but I don't think he has top pairing potential at all. Top4, sure.

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Due to the fact that he seems to not want to sign there, the price may be lower.

Like RB said, Goligoski got Neal + Niskanen. Both players were signed.

Johnson got Stewart + Shattenkirk.

MDZ for O'Reilly + _______
other teams will be in the mix though, so that will keep his value up. Though Del Zotto is a pretty big piece if they are willing.

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ROR for Del Z? Yeah that seems pretty counter productive. Rangers need to strengthen their D corps, not make it worse.

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MDZ for O'Reilly + _______
Thats the question I have. Who else were they talking about.

What defenseman are they willing to trade off? Elliott? Johnson? Barrie?

Has to be a right handed shot. And someone who is capable offensively.

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ROR is a better hockey player than Stepan. At least right now, we would all notice that big time if he were to make the jump over here.

They don't want a C in return so for those of you saying Steps I don't see that happening anyway, my guess is that ROR comes over so that Richards, Steps, ROR are our Centers which looks pretty damn good for a team hurting down the middle.

ROR + EJ For MDZ + Boyle + would be interesting potatoes. My only fear in trading MDZ is that he becomes the next Scott Niedermayer in a few years.
Torts has said they need a top 4 RH offensive D, and had a chance to coach EJ at the Olympics. If that can somehow work with Stralman, I am game, but the devils had a championship formula that fielded a contender for a long long time with Marty and a high end defense. Would that be coming back this way?


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other teams will be in the mix though, so that will keep his value up. Though Del Zotto is a pretty big piece if they are willing.
Other teams I'm sure were in the mix for Neal as well. Puck movers are highly valued

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Due to the fact that he seems to not want to sign there, the price may be lower.

Like RB said, Goligoski got Neal + Niskanen. Both players were signed.

Johnson got Stewart + Shattenkirk.

MDZ for O'Reilly + _______
Goodness. Like I said, I think the biggest thing this team needs is time, but if you can get that - and IF O'Reilly is willing to sign in NY for a reasonable contract - you have to think about that don't you? Especially if the + _______ is a promising young D...?

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ROR for Del Z? Yeah that seems pretty counter productive. Rangers need to strengthen their D corps, not make it worse.
Unless Torts is lacking in trust for MDZ and feels he needs another legit center.

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Can anyone give a decent break down on ROR? Based on some of the things I read, he could be like a ryan callahan in the center position (in terms of effect and on ice intelligence). If that's the case, that's amazing.

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Goodness. Like I said, I think the biggest thing this team needs is time, but if you can get that - and IF O'Reilly is willing to sign in NY for a reasonable contract - you have to think about that don't you? Especially if the + _______ is a promising young D...?
That would be my thought as well. If the deal isn't structured like that, I pass.

I liked:

MDZ + Boyle for O'Reilly + Johnson but Johnson apparently has a concussion.....

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Can anyone give a decent break down on ROR? Based on some of the things I read, he could be like a ryan callahan in the center position (in terms of effect and on ice intelligence). If that's the case, that's amazing.
Blocks shots, hits, led the league in takeaways last season. Plays against the opposing teams top line. Just turned 22 a week ago. Had a 55 point season at age 20.

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That would be my thought as well. If the deal isn't structured like that, I pass.

I liked:

MDZ + Boyle for O'Reilly + Johnson but Johnson apparently has a concussion.....
This is awful for the Rangers.

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Friedman reported the Rangers talked to the Avs this week. O'Reilly and a defenseman to the Rangers. DZ was the main player in the deal but the Avs kept adding players. The Rangers backed away. Healey reported the Avs want 2 roster players,top prospect and top pick. The Avs have targeted some teams in the O'Reilly talks. Goligoski went for Neal and Niskanen.
I wouldn't do O'Reilly for MDZ straight up.

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That would be my thought as well. If the deal isn't structured like that, I pass.

I liked:

MDZ + Boyle for O'Reilly + Johnson but Johnson apparently has a concussion.....
if you ask the Avs fans, they dont like any of their defensemen.

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Can anyone give a decent break down on ROR? Based on some of the things I read, he could be like a ryan callahan in the center position (in terms of effect and on ice intelligence). If that's the case, that's amazing.
He plays a similar game to Patrice Bergeron. Very good defensive player. High hockey IQ. Good hands. Strong on his skates.

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I still like DZ for Stefan Elliott and ROR.

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This is awful for the Rangers.
woah, not this I would disagree with entirely. O'Reilly is wayyy better than Boyle (though still overrated by many), and if we got a premiere D man back too? even though losing Del Zotto would hurt, the Rangers would win that trade

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He plays a similar game to Patrice Bergeron. Very good defensive player. High hockey IQ. Good hands. Strong on his skates.
I am not getting the Bergeron comparison. Bergeron at the same age put up a 70+ pt season.

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This is awful for the Rangers.
Really? EJ is playing top pairing in Colorado, big guy at 6'5. Another Minnesotan.

O'Reilly would be the teams best overall center.

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Can anyone give a decent break down on ROR? Based on some of the things I read, he could be like a ryan callahan in the center position (in terms of effect and on ice intelligence). If that's the case, that's amazing.
The comparable I have always felt was best was Patrice Bergeron. EDIT - In terms of STYLE.

Same draft as Kreider, turned 22 a week ago. Really has only had one season that he is trying to cash in on, but it was a good year.

Risk is that it was a fluke year or a product of his linemates. Upside is the kind of all-around guy that is really difficult to find, especially so young.

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woah, not this I would disagree with entirely. O'Reilly is wayyy better than Boyle (though still overrated by many), and if we got a premiere D man back too? even though losing Del Zotto would hurt, the Rangers would win that trade
I don't think Johnson is a premier defenseman.

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