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02-16-2013, 10:04 PM
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I am not getting the Bergeron comparison. Bergeron at the same age put up a 70+ pt season.
He also played on a better team with Thornton no? O'Reilly was THE guy in Colorado.

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So who are the Avs centers at the moment? if you're moving a center, why wouldnt you want one back in return? just sayin...

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Really? EJ is playing top pairing in Colorado, big guy at 6'5. Another Minnesotan.

O'Reilly would be the teams best overall center.
The team lacks depth at D and you want to trade MDZ? It's not like our third pairing D is lighting it up.

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I would very much like a D man to come back from this.

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I like Del Zotto, but I don't think he has top pairing potential at all. Top4, sure.
I completely agree, it's just my weird fear I have of trading young players. It wasn't so much that I think he's going to hit that status, more like I fear that he would by some freak chance.

It's happened before, but i would have to agree, with MDZ i just don't see it.

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I don't think Johnson is a premier defenseman.
He is at least on par with MdZ. Played top pairing on team USA. Torts knows him. He handled the defense in the Olympics didn't he?

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The team lacks depth at D and you want to trade MDZ? It's not like our third pairing D is lighting it up.
Team lacks depth at center too...

And they would be getting a defenseman in return, probably a right handed shot. Maybe someone who could be capable of working the point on the PP, because thats not Del Zotto.

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So who are the Avs centers at the moment? if you're moving a center, why wouldnt you want one back in return? just sayin...
Duchene, Stastny

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ROR has had one decent/good? year out of 3.. His first 2 seasons he put up 26 pts each, the third season he put up 55. I'm just not seeing whats so great about him? if we can get him at a good price? sure.. but I'm in no way overpaying.

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Can anyone give a decent break down on ROR? Based on some of the things I read, he could be like a ryan callahan in the center position (in terms of effect and on ice intelligence). If that's the case, that's amazing.
Yes, but you honestly want to trade your best scoring D man for him? Something they do not have excess of.

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The team lacks depth at D and you want to trade MDZ? It's not like our third pairing D is lighting it up.
A NHL dman has to be coming back for it to work.

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So who are the Avs centers at the moment? if you're moving a center, why wouldnt you want one back in return? just sayin...
Duchene and Stastny

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Del Zotto should not be moved.

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ROR has had one decent/good? year out of 3.. His first 2 seasons he put up 26 pts each, the third season he put up 55. I'm just not seeing whats so great about him? if we can get him at a good price? sure.. but I'm in no way overpaying.
He had one good offensive year. He has been very good defensively his entire career.

And you do realize that he was 18 and 19 his first two years, right?

He had his 55 point season at age 20.


Its the equivalent of saying that JT Miller is not any good because he isnt putting up 50 points at age 19.

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So who are the Avs centers at the moment? if you're moving a center, why wouldnt you want one back in return? just sayin...
Duchene and Statsny. With ROR, they have too many centers in a salary cap world. They need a LD or winger.

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Team lacks depth at center too...

And they would be getting a defenseman in return, probably a right handed shot. Maybe someone who could be capable of working the point on the PP, because thats not Del Zotto.
I would be very weary of this deal. It's not like the team is in the dumps and needs to make this move today.

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The team lacks depth at D and you want to trade MDZ? It's not like our third pairing D is lighting it up.
Well, thats where getting another defensemen back in the deal comes in.. (if it were to happen that way). also, do you think Stralman can't play top 4 minutes? when Girardi was out, he did a hell of a job

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Really? EJ is playing top pairing in Colorado, big guy at 6'5. Another Minnesotan.

O'Reilly would be the teams best overall center.
I wish everyone understood this.

Sure, Richards is our #1 guy, but the way he's playing as of late, ROR would certainly be the overall better player. Better than Stepan as well, especially if he comes over here and plays the way he did for the Avs last season.

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A NHL dman has to be coming back for it to work.
One that can replace MDZ's production? Good luck.

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ROR has had one decent/good? year out of 3.. His first 2 seasons he put up 26 pts each, the third season he put up 55. I'm just not seeing whats so great about him? if we can get him at a good price? sure.. but I'm in no way overpaying.
He was used primarily in a defensive role as Duchene and Stastny got the offensive minutes. At 18 and 19 he was playing nightly against the other teams best players. Staple on the PK.

If you watch him play you would get it (not saying this as a bashing just hard to explain as stats don't tell the whole story)

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Well, thats where getting another defensemen back in the deal comes in.. (if it were to happen that way). also, do you think Stralman can't play top 4 minutes? when Girardi was out, he did a hell of a job
No he cannot play top 4 mins.

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I don't see how MDZ + Boyle can get you ROR and Johnson. If the Rangers added say Thomas and a third to that offer would it be close? Hypothetically speaking.

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If I'm being honest, Rangers have enough offense already to win. since their streak of what? 6-2-1 in their last 9 or so, they are scoring a ton of goals. I don't think ROR is needed, but if we win the trade or it evens out, I'm ok with it.

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I feel even if this trade is a win for the Rangers, that overall it would hurt us because there has been so much turnover this year and continually adding it is just going to make it worse. The loss of more chemistry would hurt more than what we would gain.

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This is awful for the Rangers.
Yeah. Awfully good.

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