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Ryan O'Reilly Headed to Offer Sheet or Trade? (Part 3)

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02-16-2013, 11:38 PM
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Jeez if Colorado keeps winning they may want to trade ROR soon to make their playoff push.
Well let's be realistic here...The Avs are a bad team.

Quite literally, we were just up 4-1 against the Oilers and now are only up 4-3...we're not that good at all

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Jeez if Colorado keeps winning they may want to trade ROR soon to make their playoff push.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves. The Avs are still a crappy team.

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02-16-2013, 11:41 PM
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I was actually pretty surprised to hear the Rangers were looking to deal MDZ(+) for O'Reilly.
They weren't from my understanding. They were looking to deal MDZ for O'Reilly (+).

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02-16-2013, 11:42 PM
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They weren't from my understanding. They were looking to deal MDZ for O'Reilly (+).
Nope, they balked at MDZ + for ROR + depth defenseman.

Let's be honest, none of our defensemen outside of EJ are worth much.

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02-16-2013, 11:48 PM
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Serious question:

Would Johnson be available to come with O'Reilly?

Looking at other deals for pick movers:

Johnson for Stewart + Shattenkrik
Goligoski for Neal + Niskanen

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02-16-2013, 11:49 PM
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Serious question:

Would Johnson be available to come with O'Reilly?

Looking at other deals for pick movers:

Johnson for Stewart + Shattenkrik
Goligoski for Neal + Niskanen
Umm....

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02-16-2013, 11:50 PM
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Serious question:

Would Johnson be available to come with O'Reilly?

Looking at other deals for pick movers:

Johnson for Stewart + Shattenkrik
Goligoski for Neal + Niskanen
That can't be a serious question.

Johnson is going nowhere.

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02-16-2013, 11:50 PM
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Serious question:

Would Johnson be available to come with O'Reilly?

Looking at other deals for pick movers:

Johnson for Stewart + Shattenkrik
Goligoski for Neal + Niskanen
No. Not unless you want to put McDonagh on the table.
And Johnson is not exactly a PMD right now even though he can move the puck...

If you want ROR + Johnson it would cost you way more than only McDonagh so I don't see that happening....

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02-16-2013, 11:52 PM
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That can't be a serious question.

Johnson is going nowhere.
The deal would be more than MDZ, just asking a question, jeez, people get all hot and bothered by questions on this trade board, kinda humorous.

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02-16-2013, 11:53 PM
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Serious question:

Would Johnson be available to come with O'Reilly?

Looking at other deals for pick movers:

Johnson for Stewart + Shattenkrik


Goligoski for Neal + Niskanen
Oh dear...

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The deal would be more than MDZ, just asking a question, jeez, people get all hot and bothered by questions on this trade board, kinda humorous.
I know people say there is no such thing as a stupid question, but there are... and that was one.

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02-16-2013, 11:56 PM
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Well then my apologies. An answer of no, would have been fine. Hope you all had fun puffing out your cheats as Internet tough guys though. Cheers

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02-16-2013, 11:58 PM
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Well then my apologies. An answer of no, would have been fine. Hope you all had fun puffing out your cheats as Internet tough guys though. Cheers
I had a great time. Thank you for the opportunity.

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Well then my apologies. An answer of no, would have been fine. Hope you all had fun puffing out your cheats as Internet tough guys though. Cheers
Every time EJ is brought up on these forums, threads become derailed. Avs fans, who watch him, know how well he is playing while people who don't watch him talk about him as a bust. It's very tedious.

He's a key player for Avs, in the same category as Landeskog and Duchene. So no, he won't be a throw in if O'Reilly is moved.

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Well then my apologies. An answer of no, would have been fine. Hope you all had fun puffing out your cheats as Internet tough guys though. Cheers
No need for an apology. Avs fan reaction to your question was way too harsh and over the top. But you have to understand that Avs fans don't have a thick skin right now. Everyone hates losing ROR and the fact that 90 % of proposals made to us are simply ridiculous or do nothing for us at all. After pointing that out we usually get to hear how bad ROR is and that we should be lucky to get their great players.

That said EJ is completely untouchable. Especially if you want to add him to a ROR deal. We gave up quite a lot for him and he is our rock on the backend. Rangers would have to make a silly offer for us to trade him. Avs probably would not even swap him for McDonagh straight up right now.....

So a deal would have to include McDonagh, MDZ, Kreider or something completely silly like that for us to consider trading both guys to NYR.

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02-17-2013, 12:02 AM
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Ryan O'Reilly
Cody McLeod
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Except when they are stupid questions...and no offense, that was a stupid question.



In case you're wondering still, Johnson is flat out 100% untouchable.
Rangers would have to get a top 4 dman in order for the trade to mske sense. Obv EJ is ur best one so its only obvious u wont move him, so no deal to be made imo

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Every time EJ is brought up on these forums, threads become derailed. Avs fans, who watch him, know how well he is playing while people who don't watch him talk about him as a bust. It's very tedious.

He's a key player for Avs, in the same category as Landeskog and Duchene. So no, he won't be a throw in if O'Reilly is moved.
I think people jumped to a bit of a conclusion with my post. I was not calling for him to be a throw in at all, just asking if he could be moved.

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02-17-2013, 12:03 AM
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Jake Gardiner
Nikolai Kulemin

for

Ryan O'Reilly
Cody McLeod
2nd '13
I think this is the kind of trade they're looking for.

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No need for an apology. Avs fan reaction to your question was way too harsh and over the top. But you have to understand that Avs fans don't have a thick skin right now. Everyone hates losing ROR and the fact that 90 % of proposals made to us are simply ridiculous or do nothing for us at all. After pointing that out we usually get to hear how bad ROR is and that we should be lucky to get their great players.

That said EJ is completely untouchable. Especially if you want to add him to a ROR deal. We gave up quite a lot for him and he is our rock on the backend. Rangers would have to make a silly offer for us to trade him. Avs probably would not even swap him for McDonagh straight up right now.....

So a deal would have to include McDonagh, MDZ, Kreider or something completely silly like that for us to consider trading both guys to NYR.
That makes total sense. Thank you for laying that out. Re-reading my post I guess you could make an assumption that I thought he could be a throwin, far from it.

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02-17-2013, 12:05 AM
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I think this is the kind of trade they're looking for.
That's probably the most I'd be willing to swallow. Sucks losing Gardiner and Kulemin both, but I think Ryan O'Reilly makes us better long term.

Avs get their offensive PMD who'll be a top pairing D-man for them, no question.

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I think people jumped to a bit of a conclusion with my post. I was not calling for him to be a throw in at all, just asking if he could be moved.
Given the ...umm... posture of this thread, it seemed like you were getting at EJ must have been involved or should be involved if MDZ is moving for ROR. I mean the reality of it is, our defense sucks. Without EJ it's unquestionably the worst in the league. It just doesn't work. His point totals aren't there, but his play has been pretty darn good. He still can't get a damn shot through to the net, but other than that it's been pretty good.

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I think people jumped to a bit of a conclusion with my post. I was not calling for him to be a throw in at all, just asking if he could be moved.
Yeah I misread/misunderstood your post. My bad. Thought you were saying him with ROR for MDZ(since that was the discussion earlier.) I guess no ones "untouchable" but to get EJ it would have to be huge overpayment considering what Sherman gave for him and since he is our only decent D-man.

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Given the ...umm... posture of this thread, it seemed like you were getting at EJ must have been involved or should be involved if MDZ is moving for ROR. I mean the reality of it is, our defense sucks. Without EJ it's unquestionably the worst in the league. It just doesn't work. His point totals aren't there, but his play has been pretty darn good. He still can't get a damn shot through to the net, but other than that it's been pretty good.
Yeah that's fair. I have always been an EJ fan. Seems like a solid 1st pairing guy. He just has been consistently asked to do everything.

Has he ever been tried as just a triggerman on the PP?

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That's probably the most I'd be willing to swallow. Sucks losing Gardiner and Kulemin both, but I think Ryan O'Reilly makes us better long term.

Avs get their offensive PMD who'll be a top pairing D-man for them, no question.
There's no question it's steep... I'll give you that. I'll say it now and afterwards... you'll win that trade long term. ROR is an excellent center, and there's no question in my mind he's a #1 quality guy.

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