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fire the coach 29 22.31%
make a trade 33 25.38%
both 52 40.00%
neither? 16 12.31%
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02-16-2013, 10:34 PM
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In a stunning turn of events, Marleau finally finds his guts and asks where Thornton was during the 05-06 playoffs. Thornton responds by saying he can't hear Marleau with his two Stanley Cup rings plugging his ears. Marleau is shellshocked, becomes an old bitter TV analyst, writes an autobiography, and cries on television when the Sharks finally win a Cup in 2032.
Forgot about getting his face rearranged by Derian Hatcher.

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02-16-2013, 10:35 PM
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In a stunning turn of events, Marleau finally finds his guts and asks where Thornton was during the 05-06 playoffs. Thornton responds by saying he can't hear Marleau with his two Stanley Cup rings plugging his ears. Marleau is shellshocked, becomes an old bitter TV analyst, writes an autobiography, and cries on television when the Sharks finally win a Cup in 2032.
Thornton is elected the Mayor of San Jose while also being named the GM of the Sharks that same year. He also writes a book. It sells better than Marleau's.

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02-16-2013, 10:38 PM
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Back on topic: I can't believe how underrated Ales Hemsky is.

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02-16-2013, 10:44 PM
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Back on topic: I can't believe how underrated Ales Hemsky is.
Hes a good player.

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SOB got dangled.

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02-16-2013, 11:10 PM
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Watched every game thus far and this is no different than the ups and downs the team has gone through in the past. They started off hot. Why? Because they've played together and the defenses weren't set against them. They played basically with more ice and made the pretty passes. Toward the end of their winning streak they weren't playing as well still making the pretty passes. Then it was standing around on the PP and working from the perimeter again which led to shootouts. Now its a losing streak but the effort is there and the game's been simplified from the goal out. Next comes another winning streak and everyone changes their votes.

What's different this year is the compacted schedule. Firing a coach or shaking a team up doesn't improve the odds of success because its just as likely to extend a losing streak which could keep them out of the playoffs. What could help is the players getting their forecheck going and the forwards shooting the puck and following up their shots. With less ice after the opening games, the pretty passes aren't there .... maybe a reflection of the number of turnovers?

This team is good enough to win the cup but the window is closing. The interesting thing is Marleau in my opinion is playing the best of his career and really consistently, and JT is the one that is blowing chow. Wish they could both put their top games together at once.

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02-16-2013, 11:19 PM
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Watched every game thus far and this is no different than the ups and downs the team has gone through in the past. They started off hot. Why? Because they've played together and the defenses weren't set against them. They played basically with more ice and made the pretty passes. Toward the end of their winning streak they weren't playing as well still making the pretty passes. Then it was standing around on the PP and working from the perimeter again which led to shootouts. Now its a losing streak but the effort is there and the game's been simplified from the goal out. Next comes another winning streak and everyone changes their votes.

What's different this year is the compacted schedule. Firing a coach or shaking a team up doesn't improve the odds of success because its just as likely to extend a losing streak which could keep them out of the playoffs. What could help is the players getting their forecheck going and the forwards shooting the puck and following up their shots. With less ice after the opening games, the pretty passes aren't there .... maybe a reflection of the number of turnovers?

This team is good enough to win the cup but the window is closing. The interesting thing is Marleau in my opinion is playing the best of his career and really consistently, and JT is the one that is blowing chow. Wish they could both put their top games together at once.
WineShark, always good insight.

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02-16-2013, 11:20 PM
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Lucky goal for Eberle.

I mean.

CLUTCH OH MAY GAWD SO CLUTCH HE JUST TIED THE GAME BECAUSE EFFORT AND CLUUUUTTTTCCCCHHHHHH.

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02-16-2013, 11:22 PM
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Lucky goal for Eberle.

I mean.

CLUTCH OH MAY GAWD SO CLUTCH HE JUST TIED THE GAME BECAUSE EFFORT AND CLUUUUTTTTCCCCHHHHHH.
Jordan Eberle is a top 10 player in the league. Hes Bryan Trottier mixed with Yzerman.

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02-16-2013, 11:43 PM
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Lucky goal for Eberle.

I mean.

CLUTCH OH MAY GAWD SO CLUTCH HE JUST TIED THE GAME BECAUSE EFFORT AND CLUUUUTTTTCCCCHHHHHH.
Definition of Clutch in any dictionary: Jordan Eberle

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Are you guys seriously calling Thornton worse than Marleau, the same Thornton who has been the #1 point guy since the last lockout? the guy that plays beastmode during the last 2 playoffs while gutless marleau shoots to the crest?

You guys are hilarious, Marleau is no where NEAR thornton's level, it's pathetic.

I hope he retires as a Shark, he's already miles ahead as my favorite shark than Marleau.

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Are you guys seriously calling Thornton worse than Marleau, the same Thornton who has been the #1 point guy since the last lockout? the guy that plays beastmode during the last 2 playoffs while gutless marleau shoots to the crest?

You guys are hilarious, Marleau is no where NEAR thornton's level, it's pathetic.

I hope he retires as a Shark, he's already miles ahead as my favorite shark than Marleau.
I like you now.

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Definition of Clutch in any dictionary: Jordan Eberle
He just scored a super clutch empty net goal too.

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He just scored a super clutch empty net goal too.
I found this sweet pic of Eberle being clutch



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Shake it up!

Thought we needed a break from all the depression around here.

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02-17-2013, 12:06 AM
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I really don't have a problem with either player and don't think either have an ego.
I agree. I have no issue with either and think both are without ego but more so a passion and desire for success with this team even through all the criticisms throughout the years. Until you actually win something, ego has no face. Neither have yet to win a stanley cup thus, neither have a backing for any such ego and to add, they are two of the players in a group of a few, whom get criticized more so than most others in the NHL. I think we as Sharks fans should be pretty proud we have two great players as Patty and Thornton and to add, the upcoming next leader in Couture. Not many teams can boast of such.

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Are you guys seriously calling Thornton worse than Marleau, the same Thornton who has been the #1 point guy since the last lockout? the guy that plays beastmode during the last 2 playoffs while gutless marleau shoots to the crest?

You guys are hilarious, Marleau is no where NEAR thornton's level, it's pathetic.

I hope he retires as a Shark, he's already miles ahead as my favorite shark than Marleau.
I as well hope Thornton retires a Shark, also Patty. Joe is definitely the team leader and Patty like his #1, with Couture soon to be the next leader. Personally, I believe we will see Joe and Patty taking pay cuts in a couple years more than their true value for two reasons; one is the wanting and hoping of remaining as a Shark and two, acceptance of Couture as the new #1 and highest salaried player on the squad. No ego's, just natural evolution. Every interview they do and involving discussions of Couture, they have nothing but praise for him. We've all heard them, especially from Joe many a time.

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Just an update on the positives Thornton still brings. Check out these HC Davos leader stats as of tonight;
#1 - 87 Dario Bürgler 46 19 19 38 -1
#2 - 19 Joe Thornton 33 12 24 36 +6

If I recall correctly upon checking when the lockout closed, Joe's linemate Burgler had 33 points in 35 games. Thus, 5 in the 11 since Joe's departure.

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02-17-2013, 01:20 AM
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In the Sharks history have they ever been true "sellers"?

I can't remember a time when it seemed like they needed to move their star players in order to save the future...Maybe when they traded Owen Nolan? But that doesn't really feel the same since they hung onto other guys like Damphousse.
Of course! The year they fired Sutter they traded their captain and best player (Nolan) and a few other guys and then let players walk at the end of the season who didn't fit into the new direction. The promptly went to the conference finals for the first time the very next season.

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The reason why Marelau would be worth keeping around, even as he starts to decline, is that he'd still be a solid 2nd liner for a while, and even at the end of his career he'd be a great 3rd liner, considering his speed, defensive play, versatility, and would probably still score a decent amount.

As a tangent, it occurred to me that a good 3rd lines are constructed in a particular way: Older, former top-6 players and younger, future top-6 players. Marleau would be a good fit there.
Yes totally agree. Hadn't even thought of that. Marleau can probably play until he's 45 if he wants. No major injuries (knock on wood) and stays in great shape. Ok so trade thorton.

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I just want him to shed the "loser" tag that the media gives him. Ideally, he'd come back to the Sharks in his final year and retire here. Hey, I can dream.
THis is overly dramatic... the media doesn't paint him as a loser. And to be honest he'll play long enough that if they did a complete rebuild he would still be here to play when the team is good again. Frankly I don't see them doing a complete rebuild. They don't need to. Way too many good pieces already on the roster.

To me a complete rebuild means trading Thornton, Boyle, Clowe, Murray, and maybe Havlat and maybe Pavs. Pavs only if someone over paid. I would keep Havlat, Stuart and Marleau as my old veterans to lead the new stud prospects and picks into doing things the right way in the NHL. Havlat I keep for pure skill level. I still think he is finding his groove. Just hasn't played that much after getting injured last season. I keep TJ because I think he's got another level to get to in his development and I keep burish til someone in the organization comes up and forces him out.

If this team was fast enough to play a heavy pressure forecheck system they would be fun to watch and could challenge again considering the defense is set for a couple years already even with Boyle gone. Burn will grow into the #1 role. He had 17 goals the season before the sharks got him. If he doesn't have to share time with Boyle anymore he's a 40 to 50 point defensman IMO.

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To me, there's just more honor in losing with your team than winning on someone else's.
I'm pretty sure Ray Bourque disagrees with you 100%. There's probably a ton more players in the same boat too...

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Yes totally agree. Hadn't even thought of that. Marleau can probably play until he's 45 if he wants. No major injuries (knock on wood) and stays in great shape. Ok so trade thorton.
Thornton can play longer and would be a better 3rd line player/PP specialist in his 40s that Marleau. Trade Marleau. It's funny though how teams like Tampa can tank/rebuild with guys like St. Louis and VinnyC on the roster, Anaheim with Getz/Selanne/Perry/Ryan, etc but San Jose needs to get rid of Thornton and Marleau in order to rebuild. You guys lol

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Just an update on the positives Thornton still brings. Check out these HC Davos leader stats as of tonight;
#1 - 87 Dario Bürgler 46 19 19 38 -1
#2 - 19 Joe Thornton 33 12 24 36 +6

If I recall correctly upon checking when the lockout closed, Joe's linemate Burgler had 33 points in 35 games. Thus, 5 in the 11 since Joe's departure.
Thornton helped Cheechoo become a beast before his injury, he's that good.

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Seriously though, I've never seen a star player so hated on his teams own forum like Thornton. Once he retires as a Sharks (which he will because he's the best Shark ever) this team is gonna suck so much.
This is just crazy... Marleau takes way more heat than Thornton on these boards...

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