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02-17-2013, 09:24 AM
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Grabo and Gardiner for ROR and Siemens.

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Well now, if we can get it done with names like Kuli,Boz,Frans,Percy,Biggs, I'd be looking at ROR in a very serious way.

For me Frat is untouchable ATM, he has a rare gift, a nose for the back of the net.

Boz/Kuli/Frans+ Percy/Finn/Biggs, i think i'd have to jump on that.
I have read they are not interested in a center.

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The only good thing about the 'Grabovski contract' is that it probably prevented the Leafs from acquiring O'Reilly.

So that means Grabovski has to be gone for O'Reilly to make sense.


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Like I said, he doesn't have to hit like a rock to prove his worth to a particular team.

No one on Boston hits like a rock but one can argue that Patrice Bergeron is their most important player, even though Chara and Seguin are their best overall players.

Why is Bergeron their most valuable player? He shuts down the other team's best players and can provide offense on top of that.
Not sure if serious?

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Or Grabo and Gardiner for ROR and a 1st rd pick

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Liles, MacArthur, Komisarek, and Steckel are all expendable, and might be attractive assets to deal to teams looking to bolster their rosters at the trade deadline. Even if the Leafs are in playoff contention at that point, I would still deal all of them for future considerations and replace them with the kids on the farm.

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I have read they are not interested in a center.
Well I'm not sure I'm convinced.

Part of me looks at it this way, they want ROR for 3.5 per, my gut tells me 3.5 per is what Boz would get on the market.

Boz could be considered a ROR lite?

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Grabo and Gardiner for ROR and Siemens.
Since they don't want a center (Stastny, Duchene, Mitchell and Olver), and since they want a top prospect they ain't getting a 1st. liner.

2nd. line winger
top (not blue chipper) prospect

You don't get a top prospect and a proven 1st. liner for a possible 1st. line center.

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The only good thing about the 'Grabovski contract' is that it probably prevented the Leafs from acquiring O'Reilly.
How so?

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Edmonton wants a Defenceman? Gardiner to rejoin his Wisc teammate Schultz?

It starts with a first rd pick, and a prospect.

I would make the deal, too bad they have drafted so bad, don't see anything in their prospects pool I like other than the obvious high picks.

A first and second rd pick.

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Since they don't want a center (Stastny, Duchene, Mitchell and Olver), and since they want a top prospect they ain't getting a 1st. liner.

2nd. line winger
top (not blue chipper) prospect

You don't get a top prospect and a proven 1st. liner for a possible 1st. line center.
3 way deal, Hi Grabo, bye Grabo to Chicago?

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Well I'm not sure I'm convinced.

Part of me looks at it this way, they want ROR for 3.5 per, my gut tells me 3.5 per is what Boz would get on the market.

Boz could be considered a ROR lite?
I think their problem is:

1st. line - Duchene
2nd. line - Stastny
3rd. line - O'Reilly

Duchene is healthy this year, 14 points in 13 games. He had an off year, and was injured, which was great for O'Reilly.

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Edmonton wants a Defenceman? Gardiner to rejoin his Wisc teammate Schultz?

It starts with a first rd pick, and a prospect.

I would make the deal, too bad they have drafted so bad, don't see anything in their prospects pool I like other than the obvious high picks.

A first and second rd pick.
Wouldn't trade Gardiner for a pick..Edmonton is a bad team but they could still finish outside of the top 10.

I think Gardiner has more offense than Schultz. Schultz hasn't impressed me on 5 on 5 at all.

Gardiner can control the game 5 on 5 IMO.

Justin Schultz has ONE assist in 14 games on ES, where most of the game is played.

Jake Gardiner had 23 points on ES, while only 7 on the PP in limited time.

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I think their problem is:

1st. line - Duchene
2nd. line - Stastny
3rd. line - O'Reilly

Duchene is healthy this year, 14 points in 13 games. He had an off year, and was injured, which was great for O'Reilly.
I think the issue is more to do with not wanting to pay a 3rd C, 5m per, wherever he is slotted in their rotation .

It's sounds like they have the slot pegged at a max 3.5m. 3.5m is about where i would slot Boz in.

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Edmonton wants a Defenceman? Gardiner to rejoin his Wisc teammate Schultz?

It starts with a first rd pick, and a prospect.

I would make the deal, too bad they have drafted so bad, don't see anything in their prospects pool I like other than the obvious high picks.

A first and second rd pick.
Oilers top picks were forwards, but Klefbom, Mussil, Marincin, Gernat and others are hardly busted picks. Klefbom in particular has to rate as highly as most Leafs picks.

Leafs don't need another defensive prospect though.

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Wouldn't trade Gardiner for a pick..Edmonton is a bad team but they could still finish outside of the top 10.

I think Gardiner has more offense than Schultz. Schultz hasn't impressed me on 5 on 5 at all.

Gardiner can control the game 5 on 5 IMO and is better even outside of a PP.

Justin Schultz has ONE assist in 14 games on ES, where most of the game is played.

Jake Gardiner had 23 points on ES, while only 7 on the PP in limited time.
The Edmonton Oiler scenario is really interesting, Tambellini is no longer in tank mode. As a GM he has pressure to make the playoffs. This is a card that exists and is in play.

Gardiner with Schultz is an angle no different than Luke Schenn.

I think Gardiner in light of Rielly being our #1 prospect that is NHL ready next year is as valuable a trade chip than player for us. He's in the minors right now, so if he stays there for long his value goes down. The all rookie team stuff will wear off soon.

Edmonton may overpay for Jake, a first rd pick in this draft is gold, Klefbom is the only prospect I can see having any value, but if it's a first and a second rd pick, I would certainly think about it.

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I think the issue is more to do with not wanting to pay a 3rd C, 5m per, wherever he is slotted in their rotation .

It's sounds like they have the slot pegged at a max 3.5m. 3.5m is about where i would slot Boz in.
That's what I mean.

O'Reilly is a 3rd. line center in Colorado, and isn't worth it for them to pay him that much money. Come on everyone knows Duchene is the better center, and Stastny isn't playing on the 3rd. line.

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Mcarthur + a defensemen or a prospect personally is what we should go for. Still can't believe people are really crazy about Radar although he's a good player he isn't the level people expect thats for sure.

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I'm going to float this idea again, The Oilers would pay a ransom for Jake Gardiner. Such an overpayment may be too much to resist for Nonis.

Watching the Oilers, it is clear to me they need a D man to add to Schultz, the fact they are no longer tanking, Gardiner would bring back a good return of assets.

Umm...I like the thought of that. Adding assets just gives Nonis more chips to make a bigger trade. For a #1C?

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this team needs a top 1C not another 2C

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With the bolded, who's to say that the same thing won't happen with Gardiner? He is coming off a concussion, which leaves only more question marks. Its basically just a risk that would have to be taken, and I wouldn't oppose that risk.

As far as the whole plus-minus thing, I have been told before that O'Reilly plays against teams top lines in a shutdown role. Since he is taking on better players, obviously the better players are going to score more to. Although I can't factually back that claim up because I have no idea what kind of stat would even cover something like that.

And I should just reiterate that I am a huge Gardiner fan. In fact I'd say when he is on the big club, he is probably my favorite dman.
Gards isn't making 5 mill per...

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I just hope RoR sign with some one soon and that we can bring up Gardiner to stop this nonsense about trading him. I think Ryan would fit in here just nice but he is not the #1 center we have been waiting for, simply because he is not a #1 center.

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this team needs a top 1C not another 2C
Actually we need both, if getting a better #2C who can shut down and score is an improvement, at a reasonable price, you do it

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Bozak (top 6 forward)
Ashton/Biggs/Colborne
Percy

for

O'Reilly

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I think their problem is:

1st. line - Duchene
2nd. line - Stastny
3rd. line - O'Reilly

Duchene is healthy this year, 14 points in 13 games. He had an off year, and was injured, which was great for O'Reilly.
.... Id love to have that problem...

I think for them ideally, building around Duchene-ROR would have been best, with Stastny as the odd-man out. But looks like the contract disputes have changed things.

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