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02-17-2013, 11:58 AM
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Lol when i see people talking about Gorges point total, it only shows he doesnt what Gorges brings to a team so I wont take the time to argue wit you. Ypu think Gorges is getting paid 4M for his 10 pts per year?

Anyways, next.
There are plenty of players that don't get paid to get points, but they don't make 4 million.

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02-17-2013, 12:05 PM
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lol wut?
absolutlely on a contender he is 5-6th guy making nearly 4 mil a year

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02-17-2013, 12:06 PM
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There are plenty of players that don't get paid to get points, but they don't make 4 million.
have u see Kostca of the Leafs play ? same age buried in the minors at 1/6 his salary .. decent all round player on the cheap

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02-17-2013, 12:14 PM
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So I guess the point total only matters when its a player a fan likes, gotcha. I could argue a lot of overpaid players bring certain intangibles to a team, no problem.
Lol yeah keep it going. Point total is everything. Gorges got 4m$ for his point total.

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02-17-2013, 12:22 PM
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Yes he's overpaid...but it doesn't mean he can't help and be a contributing member (in his own way) to the team.

Salary and on-ice performance aren't always necessarily tied together

The Habs are obviously paying a premium for Gorges 'intangibles'. Those often can't be measured in salary figures

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02-17-2013, 12:29 PM
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have u see Kostca of the Leafs play ? same age buried in the minors at 1/6 his salary .. decent all round player on the cheap
Gorges>>>>>>Kostka

Not to mention Kostka will obviously make more after he hits free agency like Gorges.

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02-17-2013, 12:31 PM
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He's overpaid and I'm fine with it.If there's a player that I like as far as personality goes it's Gorges.Good for him.Remember when he was traded to us? Healthy scratch , nobody was ready to give him a shot.He exceeded every expectations.

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02-17-2013, 12:33 PM
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have u see Kostca of the Leafs play ? same age buried in the minors at 1/6 his salary .. decent all round player on the cheap
apparently you haven't seen him play

Kostka is a poor man's version of Joe Corvo

Yes...Joe Corvo...a poor man's version

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02-17-2013, 12:50 PM
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Yes, point taken, dumb comment. I know he's not a PP guy but I guess what I was trying to say is that he is not good offensively. At all.

Which is OK for a #4 Dman, but he has to be one of the best paid #4 D in the league? So what else does he offer besides blocking shots? He does not add toughness, he can't fight, he's not necessarily a crease clearer, and he can't provide offense. So why is his value to the Habs so high? Is a comparable to him Jason Smith or Adam Foote?

I honestly don't know, I know that he is highly regarded around here but I don't know why. I don't know the game (outside of the goaltending position) that well, so there are nuances that I don't pick up.
Gorges can eat a lot of minutes. That's invaluable. He's a shut down defenseman who plays smart, efficient, positional hockey, and he can also move the puck. That's rare, in fact. His shot blocking is secondary, or even tertiary, to all of the above.

Toss Gorges into virtually any system and he works. He's an efficient positional player and a decent enough skater with enough puck moving skills to play well in a transition game system, while being smart enough and strong enough defensively to excel in a defensive system.

Players like him are very solid. He's not a force out there, like Adam Foote was, and he's not as good as Foote was in his prime, but he's an efficient, smart player who doesn't sacrifice puck skills for his shut down abilities.

I think a guy like Willie Mitchell is somewhat comparable. Mitchell's an underrated skater and passer. He's bigger, but I'd say Gorges plays a safer game. Scuderi doesn't have the passing to match Gorges.

I don't see him as overpaid, nor do I view him as a #4. He can safely handle 22 minutes a night.

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02-17-2013, 12:56 PM
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He's getting exactly market value. If Gorges somehow became an UFA tomorrow, some team somewhere would pony up roughly $4 million a year for his services. If you're a tried, tested and true Top 4 D under the age of 30, $4 million is basically the bare minimum you're getting on the open market. But that's all Gorges would get because he doesn't bring significant offense or punishing bodychecks.

For what he brings the team, I think he's worth his cap hit. His cap hit is also low enough that if we ever want to trade him, he will have significant positive trade value.

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02-17-2013, 12:58 PM
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Gorges>>>>>>Kostka

Not to mention Kostka will obviously make more after he hits free agency like Gorges.
he wont get anywhere close to four mil

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02-17-2013, 01:01 PM
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apparently you haven't seen him play

Kostka is a poor man's version of Joe Corvo

Yes...Joe Corvo...a poor man's version
kostca was thrown to the wolves on a team that cant defend
and has played well for 1.5 I take him in a second over JJ

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kostca was thrown to the wolves on a team that cant defend
and has played well for 1.5 I take him in a second over JJ
I think Mike Kostka is a borderline NHL player

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apparently you haven't seen him play

Kostka is a poor man's version of Joe Corvo

Yes...Joe Corvo...a poor man's version
The point is u find decent d man without spending like a drunk

u think the leafs wiill keep Dion at 6 mil when kostca overall is better and cheaper

we overate players big time , I like JJ but folks when these types make 4 mil salaries r out of whack big time

this is the only league that pays way to much to the average player all factors considered

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I think Mike Kostka is a borderline NHL player
and kaberle is worth 4.5

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he wont get anywhere close to four mil
Yea, because he's nowhere close to as good as Gorges.

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02-17-2013, 01:33 PM
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and kaberle is worth 4.5
i'm not sure what Kaberle has to do with what I said or this conversation...

anyways, i'm not one of those who gets hung up on salary

So I couldn't care less that Josh Gorges is overpaid? I don't see how that affects how the he or the team performs on-ice

But enjoy racking your brain over the money spent by Molson I guess...

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The point is u find decent d man without spending like a drunk

u think the leafs wiill keep Dion at 6 mil when kostca overall is better and cheaper

we overate players big time , I like JJ but folks when these types make 4 mil salaries r out of whack big time

this is the only league that pays way to much to the average player all factors considered
This is an erroneous statement...MANY players throughout ALL sports are overpaid. To say otherwise means you probably only follow the NHL.

What a ridiculous statement.

Anyways...like I said in the other post. I'm not really hung up about how much the teams I cheer for spend on salaries, it's their money and they are in charge of building a team with the money they're allowed to spend.

I just want to see results on the ice...and just because a player is underpaid doesn't mean he'll play better

Fans tend to overstate the correlation between salary and performance

Brian Campbell is overpaid, but he still turned in a solid season for the Panthers last year...funny how him being overpaid got lost in the shuffle last year as opposed to the year prior when he was a 5/6 dman for the Blackhawks.

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02-17-2013, 01:42 PM
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Yes you are right, but the real problematic in his contract is: Gorges at 3.9 in 2017-18. I don't feel comfortable about that.
Don't worry you aren't paying him.

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Gorges reminds me of ex-Bruin Don Sweeny.

He is a little bigger than Sweeny, but he rarely makes a mistake, is always in position, and is capable of changing the momentum with a play or with his "character" plays.

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02-17-2013, 01:45 PM
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All hockey players are overpaid. No athlete should make more money than doctors, teachers, police and soldiers.

Yeah, I went there.

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Quebec Taxes, language issues, media spotlight.

there are a few reasons this team has to shelf out extra bucks.

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I was generous, his career is 8.5 pts avg thus far.
15-points per 82-games as a Hab. Thanks.

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In my opinion he's our captain so no he's not overpaid, this guy is all heart and I don't mind paying a little bit more for that.

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In my opinion he's our captain so no he's not overpaid, this guy is all heart and I don't mind paying a little bit more for that.
I agree with this whole heartedly. We dont really know how he is behind the cameras. He obviously is respected, liked and a major figure in the locker room. He was asked and willingly took Gally in as a room mate and seems to be doing a good job on that. he is the leagues best shot blocker and puts his team first. Some things cant be put on a stat sheet, and to me players like that is what you win with..... Period

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