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Ales Hemsky at the Deadline

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02-17-2013, 04:56 PM
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Ales Hemsky at the Deadline

Every day we see a new trade proposal including the Edmonton Oilers. And we all know what's going to happen. At some point a Oiler fan suggests Hemsky for (enter random NHL player here) and all hell breaks loose. People start bashing Hemsky and Oilers fans run for his defense. Every ****ing time. But we rarely see a reasonable discussion about Hemsky's true value. Which is kinda bizarre since he's a legitimate top6 forward in his prime.

So, what is your team willing to give for Hemsky at the deadline? Edmonton needs: #1 goalie, young #3C, a gritty LW with scoring potential, young bottom 6 forwards with character and grit, solid bottom pair defenseman & 1st round picks.

Hemsky's stats & contract situation: http://www.capgeek.com/player/12

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02-17-2013, 05:09 PM
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Every day we see a new trade proposal including the Edmonton Oilers. And we all know what's going to happen. At some point a Oiler fan suggests Hemsky for (enter random NHL player here) and all hell breaks loose. People start bashing Hemsky and Oilers fans run for his defense. Every ****ing time. But we rarely see a reasonable discussion about Hemsky's true value. Which is kinda bizarre since he's a legitimate top6 forward in his prime.

So, what is your team willing to give for Hemsky at the deadline? Edmonton needs: #1 goalie, young #3C, a gritty LW with scoring potential, young bottom 6 forwards with character and grit, solid bottom pair defenseman & 1st round picks.

Hemsky's stats & contract situation: http://www.capgeek.com/player/12
If the Oilers trade Hemsky at the TDL, their not going to be asking for any bottom pairing D, because they'll be out of playoffs . The Oilers have more of a need of a big RHS winger and C. I think Dubnyk has answered the question about the need of a 1# goalie, cannot see them trading for one.

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02-17-2013, 05:15 PM
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what is your team willing to give for Hemsky at the deadline?

Colin Greening (for Hemsky)

To keep this "reasonable" don't debate this offer, don't counteroffer, don't quote stats, don't get on a high horse. Just listen to the other offers, and then look over all the offers and see the value of Hemsky as perceived here.

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02-17-2013, 05:27 PM
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what is your team willing to give for Hemsky at the deadline?

Colin Greening (for Hemsky)

To keep this "reasonable" don't debate this offer, don't counteroffer, don't quote stats, don't get on a high horse. Just listen to the other offers, and then look over all the offers and see the value of Hemsky as perceived here.
Problem with that is the Oilers don't trade Hemsky unless a team is paying close to a 60-70 point Hemsky. A team who values Hemsky as an injury prone winger is not going to offer what Edmonton wants.

Colin Greening plus a second could interest Oilers, but it's like any other trade. What motivates Edmonton to trade Hemsky for Greening?

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I'm not saying I want this, but how would Horton for Hemsky be as a base?

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I'm not saying I want this, but how would Horton for Hemsky be as a base?
It would work as a swap. Both are probably equally as valuable. Edmonton may have to add though to get Boston to do a deal like that.

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Oilers should be looking at some sort of deal to improve their top 4 and or power forward.

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So far 6 replies, 1 offer, and 1 "I'm not saying I want this"

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Problem with that is the Oilers don't trade Hemsky unless a team is paying close to a 60-70 point Hemsky. A team who values Hemsky as an injury prone winger is not going to offer what Edmonton wants.

Colin Greening plus a second could interest Oilers, but it's like any other trade. What motivates Edmonton to trade Hemsky for Greening?

Greening doesn't help the Oilers, each game Hemsky plays his value goes up. If he's trade anywhere it will be to a playoff contender who's willing to pay a premium.

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Pens offer Maata and a 1st for Hemsky and Peckham.

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It would work as a swap. Both are probably equally as valuable. Edmonton may have to add though to get Boston to do a deal like that.
So Oilers are going to trade for a ufa while Hemsky still has a year left on a contract and they have to add.

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So Oilers are going to trade for a ufa while Hemsky still has a year left on a contract and they have to add.
Again.

What motivates the Bruins, a team in playoff position to trading one of their key cogs in their top six for Hemsky? Horton's proven to play well in the system while Hemsky is still a question mark.

The Oilers have to make it sweet enough for the Bruins to do it. Straight up doesn't entice the Bruins who want to make a run. If the Oilers find a way to fill another Bruin need, then they might bite at it. Otherwise, there's nothing that makes the Bruins want to do that.

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Again.

What motivates the Bruins, a team in playoff position to trading one of their key cogs in their top six for Hemsky? Horton's proven to play well in the system while Hemsky is still a question mark.

The Oilers have to make it sweet enough for the Bruins to do it. Straight up doesn't entice the Bruins who want to make a run. If the Oilers find a way to fill another Bruin need, then they might bite at it. Otherwise, there's nothing that makes the Bruins want to do that.
And if Oilers are in playoff contention no need to move Hemsky think about it Oilers would not move Hemsky for a month worth of a player than add its laughable.

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Pens offer Maata and a 1st for Hemsky and Peckham.
I thought the Pens had no interest in Hemsky whatsoever. :s

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I thought the Pens had no interest in Hemsky whatsoever. :s
I always have. See my post from March of last year. I got eviscerated from other pens fans but I proposed Martin and a first for Hemsky and Peckham at the time. In hindsight that was a slight overpay so a good prospect instead or Martin would be fair

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A lot will depend on the upcoming 9 game road trip in a few weeks. If we can somehow play .500 hockey or better, then at the deadline we will likely be within shouting distance of a playoff spot in the West.

Hemsky is playing well, pretty much no reason to move him at this point unless we can improve rather significantly at centre or on D.

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I always have. See my post from March of last year. I got eviscerated from other pens fans but I proposed Martin and a first for Hemsky and Peckham at the time. In hindsight that was a slight overpay so a good prospect instead or Martin would be fair
Did you just suggest Martin straight up? I think you. Deserve your eviscerations..

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Pens offer Maata and a 1st for Hemsky and Peckham.
Maata doesn't do anything for the Oilers, they have 3-4 better prospects in their system. The Offer doesn't help the Oilers, the Pens don't have anything they would be willing to trade that the Oilers would want.

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Pens offer Maata and a 1st for Hemsky and Peckham.
I would do this if we had someone to replace Hemsky in our top 6. I really like Maata.

Although if the Pens keep playing the way they are that pick might as well be the 30th overall lol.

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Maata doesn't do anything for the Oilers, they have 3-4 better prospects in their system. The Offer doesn't help the Oilers, the Pens don't have anything they would be willing to trade that the Oilers would want.
We do? I think most will agree Klefbom is a better prospect and I guess J. Schultz is technically still a prospect by HF terms, but in my eyes he has clearly graduated to the big squad and can't imagine sending him back to the AHL for more seasoning. Marincin has the upside to be better, but is still so raw, Maata is younger than him and looks to have more polish to his game. Musil is the only one left that deserves to be in the conversation, he is really good defensively but his skating is still a bit suspect and he really doesn't contribute offensively, Maata while not an offensive juggernaut is more well rounded in his game and he's a better passer which would serve our transition game better. The way I see it we have 1 that is clearly better and I guess 2 if you want to get by on a technicality.

The Pens offer mentioned is a good one, but I am getting damn sick of trading the present for the future.

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It would work as a swap. Both are probably equally as valuable. Edmonton may have to add though to get Boston to do a deal like that.
Hemsky to Boston would totally be 360. Boston traded a 1st round pick to Edmonton, part of the Guerin trade back in 2001. Edmonton used the pick to land Hemsky.

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We do? I think most will agree Klefbom is a better prospect and I guess J. Schultz is technically still a prospect by HF terms, but in my eyes he has clearly graduated to the big squad and can't imagine sending him back to the AHL for more seasoning. Marincin has the upside to be better, but is still so raw, Maata is younger than him and looks to have more polish to his game. Musil is the only one left that deserves to be in the conversation, he is really good defensively but his skating is still a bit suspect and he really doesn't contribute offensively, Maata while not an offensive juggernaut is more well rounded in his game and he's a better passer which would serve our transition game better. The way I see it we have 1 that is clearly better and I guess 2 if you want to get by on a technicality.

The Pens offer mentioned is a good one, but I am getting damn sick of trading the present for the future.
I would have to disagree, Klefbom, Musil, and Marincin are all better. Musil brings the big stay at home D the Oilers need, with a mean streak. From the watching Musil ever since he went to the Oil Kings, I don't think you have to worry about his skating. Marincin play has been steady on a bad OKC team ever since the NHL restarted, he has more of a offensive potential then Maata, I do agree he is still raw.

You might throw in Gernat, who hasn't missed a step since he's come back to the OilKings .

Why get another LHS D prospect, when your system is full, doesn't make any sense.

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Tallinder, Merill, and Teddy for Hemsky and a 2nd

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