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02-17-2013, 05:13 PM
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Lol. Are you serious?

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=4008
Omark;
First year in NHL 0.47/ppg on the THIRD line.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=6562
Silfverberg;
First year in NHL 0.2/ppg on the SECOND line.

Where exactly have Silfverberg outperformed Omark?
Omark got sent down his first season in the NHL and *****ed and moaned. Silfverberg lead his team to the SEL as the Captain and broke records. He was the MVP of both the regular season and the playoffs.

Omark left because he couldn't make an Oilers team. Silfverberg is playing in the NHL right now. Is Omark?

How about you let Silfverberg play more than 15 games in the NHL on an injury plagued team before you judge him?

As far as stats go, look at every international event and you will see Silfverberg has a higher ppg % in every level.


But glad your boy can do nifty shoot out moves. Keep him. Or rather you couldn't.

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02-17-2013, 05:13 PM
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I think this trade needs to be sweetened some. Oilers also send one free tank of gas a month for year. Sens said over one federal government favor.

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02-17-2013, 05:23 PM
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Not interested from an Ottawa point of view. I still have hopes for Filatov.

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02-17-2013, 05:28 PM
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Omark got sent down his first season in the NHL and *****ed and moaned. Silfverberg lead his team to the SEL as the Captain and broke records. He was the MVP of both the regular season and the playoffs.

Omark left because he couldn't make an Oilers team. Silfverberg is playing in the NHL right now. Is Omark?

How about you let Silfverberg play more than 15 games in the NHL on an injury plagued team before you judge him?

As far as stats go, look at every international event and you will see Silfverberg has a higher ppg % in every level.


But glad your boy can do nifty shoot out moves. Keep him. Or rather you couldn't.
Naw.. Silfverberg scored 20 points in 17 games in swedish playoffs.
Omark scored 5 points in 5 games in swedish playoffs.
Almost the same PPG.

Omark stats in the Swedish WC-team
2008-2009
Sweden WC 9games 2g 8a 10p +/- 5
Sweden (all) International 20games 6g 16a 22p

2009-2010
Sweden WC 9games 1g 3a 4p
Sweden (all)International 24games 6g 8a 14p

50 points in 64 games= 0.78/ppg

Silfverberg stats in the swedish WC-team
2010-2011
Sweden WC 9games 0g 1a 1p
Sweden (all)International 22games 3g 3a 6p

Sweden WC 8games 2g 0a 2p
Sweden (all)International 12games 2g 3a 5p

14 points in 51 games= 0.274/ppg

Where exactly does Silfverberg have higher PPG than Omark?
Statistics doesn't lie you hooooooomer!


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02-17-2013, 05:45 PM
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Naw.. Silfverberg scored 20 points in 17 games in swedish playoffs.
Omark scored 5 points in 5 games in swedish playoffs.
Almost the same PPG.

Omark stats in the Swedish WC-team
2008-2009
Sweden WC 9games 2g 8a 10p +/- 5
Sweden (all) International 20games 6g 16a 22p

2009-2010
Sweden WC 9games 1g 3a 4p
Sweden (all)International 24games 6g 8a 14p

50 points in 64 games= 0.78/ppg

Silfverberg stats in the swedish WC-team
2010-2011
Sweden WC 9games 0g 1a 1p
Sweden (all)International 22games 3g 3a 6p

Sweden WC 8games 2g 0a 2p
Sweden (all)International 12games 2g 3a 5p

14 points in 51 games= 0.274/ppg

Where exactly does Silfverberg have higher PPG than Omark?
Statistics doesn't lie you hooooooomer!
Yes use tournament stats. You're a smart one, aren't you? Silfverberg is way better than Omark.

Regarding the deal, it seems fair. Both do need a change of scenery, and I wouldn't mind owning the rights to Filatov considering Omark's pretty much done here.

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02-17-2013, 05:49 PM
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Naw.. Silfverberg scored 20 points in 17 games in swedish playoffs.
Omark scored 5 points in 5 games in swedish playoffs.
Almost the same PPG.

Omark stats in the Swedish WC-team
2008-2009
Sweden WC 9games 2g 8a 10p +/- 5
Sweden (all) International 20games 6g 16a 22p

2009-2010
Sweden WC 9games 1g 3a 4p
Sweden (all)International 24games 6g 8a 14p

50 points in 64 games= 0.78/ppg

Silfverberg stats in the swedish WC-team
2010-2011
Sweden WC 9games 0g 1a 1p
Sweden (all)International 22games 3g 3a 6p

Sweden WC 8games 2g 0a 2p
Sweden (all)International 12games 2g 3a 5p

14 points in 51 games= 0.274/ppg

Where exactly does Silfverberg have higher PPG than Omark?
Statistics doesn't lie you hooooooomer!
They do when you purposely neglect some.

WJC20
Silfverberg - .83ppg
Omark - .71ppg

International Jr.
Silfverberg - .65ppg
Omark - .48ppg

SEL
Silfverberg - .65ppg
Omark - .59ppg

EHT
Silfverberg - .33ppg
Omark - .00ppg

Omarks career highlites
2003-2004 J18 SM Silver Medal
2004-2005 J20 SM Silver Medal
2006-2007 Elitserien Rookie of the Year Nominee (1 of 4)
2008-2009 Elitserien All-Star Team
World Championship Bronze Medal
2009-2010 World Championship Bronze Medal
- Elitserien All-Star Team 08/09
- Elitserien Rookie of the Year Nominee (1 of 4) 06/07
- J18 SM Silver Medal 03/04
- J20 SM Silver Medal 04/05
- World Championship Bronze Medal 08/09, 09/10

Silfverbergs
2007-2008 J20 SM Silver Medal
J20 SuperElit (North) Best Face-Off Percentage (64.38)
U18 WJC Top 3 Player on Team
U18 World Cup (Ivan Hlinka Memorial) Champion
2008-2009 J20 SM Gold Medal
2009-2010 J20 SM Silver Medal
U20 WJC Bronze Medal
2010-2011 World Championship Silver Medal
2011-2012 Elitserien Champion
Elitserien Championship Clinching Goal
Elitserien Gentleman of the Year "Rinkens Riddare"
Elitserien Most Valuable Player "Guldhjälmen"
Elitserien Playoffs MVP "Stefan Liv Trophy"
- Elitserien Champion 11/12
- Elitserien Championship Clinching Goal 11/12
- Elitserien Gentleman of the Year "Rinkens Riddare" 11/12
- Elitserien Most Valuable Player "Guldhjälmen" 11/12
- Elitserien Playoffs MVP "Stefan Liv Trophy" 11/12
- J20 SM Gold Medal 08/09
- J20 SM Silver Medal 07/08, 09/10
- J20 SuperElit (North) Best Face-Off Percentage 07/08
- U18 WJC Top 3 Player on Team 07/08
- U18 World Cup (Ivan Hlinka Memorial) Champion 07/08
- U20 WJC Bronze Medal 09/10
- World Championship Silver Medal 10/11


Next time include all the facts.

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02-17-2013, 06:15 PM
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They do when you purposely neglect some.

WJC20
Silfverberg - .83ppg
Omark - .71ppg

International Jr.
Silfverberg - .65ppg
Omark - .48ppg

SEL
Silfverberg - .65ppg
Omark - .59ppg

EHT
Silfverberg - .33ppg
Omark - .00ppg

Omarks career highlites
2003-2004 J18 SM Silver Medal
2004-2005 J20 SM Silver Medal
2006-2007 Elitserien Rookie of the Year Nominee (1 of 4)
2008-2009 Elitserien All-Star Team
World Championship Bronze Medal
2009-2010 World Championship Bronze Medal
- Elitserien All-Star Team 08/09
- Elitserien Rookie of the Year Nominee (1 of 4) 06/07
- J18 SM Silver Medal 03/04
- J20 SM Silver Medal 04/05
- World Championship Bronze Medal 08/09, 09/10

Silfverbergs
2007-2008 J20 SM Silver Medal
J20 SuperElit (North) Best Face-Off Percentage (64.38)
U18 WJC Top 3 Player on Team
U18 World Cup (Ivan Hlinka Memorial) Champion
2008-2009 J20 SM Gold Medal
2009-2010 J20 SM Silver Medal
U20 WJC Bronze Medal
2010-2011 World Championship Silver Medal
2011-2012 Elitserien Champion
Elitserien Championship Clinching Goal
Elitserien Gentleman of the Year "Rinkens Riddare"
Elitserien Most Valuable Player "Guldhjälmen"
Elitserien Playoffs MVP "Stefan Liv Trophy"
- Elitserien Champion 11/12
- Elitserien Championship Clinching Goal 11/12
- Elitserien Gentleman of the Year "Rinkens Riddare" 11/12
- Elitserien Most Valuable Player "Guldhjälmen" 11/12
- Elitserien Playoffs MVP "Stefan Liv Trophy" 11/12
- J20 SM Gold Medal 08/09
- J20 SM Silver Medal 07/08, 09/10
- J20 SuperElit (North) Best Face-Off Percentage 07/08
- U18 WJC Top 3 Player on Team 07/08
- U18 World Cup (Ivan Hlinka Memorial) Champion 07/08
- U20 WJC Bronze Medal 09/10
- World Championship Silver Medal 10/11


Next time include all the facts.
Haha its funny that you include the junior-stats.
Maybe Silfverberg is better off against juniors and Omark is better against seniors?
It sure looks like that if you watch the statistics!

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02-17-2013, 06:31 PM
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Haha its funny that you include the junior-stats.
Maybe Silfverberg is better off against juniors and Omark is better against seniors?
It sure looks like that if you watch the statistics!
Considering he was the Captain of his SEL(considered the 2nd best league after the NHL by many) team and took them to the championship and won it while Omark never made it to the finals, I think Silfverberg has higher credentials when it comes to playing with adults.


Omark is doing well in Switzerland thou.

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02-17-2013, 06:44 PM
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That is alot of ********. Omark had 0.47/ppg in Edmonton on the THIRD line.
Omark is well enough talented to rip YOUR team top 6 up.

He is way more talented than Greening(hahaha) and Silfverberg both together.
And your team have Zibanejad on the first line!!!
You don't know what you're talking about.

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02-17-2013, 06:46 PM
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Pavel Datsyuk is also a flashy crap?
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=8615
He had 0.5/ppg in his first year, on a cup contender team!

Omark had 0.47/ppg in his first year, on the worst team in NHL.

You see what I did there?
Omark is doing just fine where he belongs.

Guy marches to his own drum, doesn't think he needs to play in AHL. Oilers have better top six wingers.

**** Omark.

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Omark is doing well in Switzerland thou.
Omark also got two-thirds of his points with EV Zug playing with Henrik Zetterberg and Damien Brunner, who would be in contention for rookie of the year if he were younger.

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This got way out of hand.

And yes as an Oil fan I would say for sure that Silf is better than Omark.
But pairing Omark with a decent center or a talented winger like Alfie and he might surprise people.

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Would do this in a second. Would love to give Omark a chance especially on this injury riddled team.

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Considering he was the Captain of his SEL(considered the 2nd best league after the NHL by many) team and took them to the championship and won it while Omark never made it to the finals, I think Silfverberg has higher credentials when it comes to playing with adults.


Omark is doing well in Switzerland thou.
Yeah he took them to the championship aaaaall by himself!
It's not that they had the best goalie in playoffs;
Rk No Name Team GP GPI MIP SOG GA GAA SVS SVS% SO
1 1 Svedberg, Niklas BIF 17 13 813:36 436 23 1,70 413 94,72 4

And he didn't even have the most PPG.
It was George Holloway with the 1.21/ppg
Silfverberg 1.17/ppg

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Pavel Datsyuk is also a flashy crap?
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=8615
He had 0.5/ppg in his first year, on a cup contender team!

Omark had 0.47/ppg in his first year, on the worst team in NHL.

You see what I did there?
Yeah. You made me laugh with your insane comparison using ppg only.


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Yeah he took them to the championship aaaaall by himself!
It's not that they had the best goalie in playoffs;
Rk No Name Team GP GPI MIP SOG GA GAA SVS SVS% SO
1 1 Svedberg, Niklas BIF 17 13 813:36 436 23 1,70 413 94,72 4

And he didn't even have the most PPG.
It was George Holloway with the 1.21/ppg
Silfverberg 1.17/ppg
And now you're just bashing Silf.

Bashing him for not having the most PPG in the entire league.

Let's please try and actually restrict this discussion to the proposed trade of Omark for Filatov, instead of bringing in others to try and insult other teams.

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I would welcome this trade if our top 6 wasn't small already. Filatov ain't gonna be playing in a bottom 6 role and playing effective. We need a Clowe/Clarkson esque forward in our top 6.

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I would welcome this trade if our top 6 wasn't small already. Filatov ain't gonna be playing in a bottom 6 role and playing effective. We need a Clowe/Clarkson esque forward in our top 6.
While I might agree, I need to point out that trading Linus Omark ain't going to get the job done in that respect.

I'm sure you also understand this, I only felt the need to spell this out just in case other posters would take it the wrong way.

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Gimmie a 5th for Omark and I'll get him loose.

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Lol. Flashy crap for flashy crap. Why bother?


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Lol. Are you serious?

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=4008
Omark;
First year in NHL 0.47/ppg on the THIRD line.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=6562
Silfverberg;
First year in NHL 0.2/ppg on the SECOND line.

Where exactly have Silfverberg outperformed Omark?
So from those links Silfverberg outperformed Omark in the AHL, Elitserien, International-Jr, SuperElit, and WJC-20.
But overall they have fairly similar stats.

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Neither is likely to have an NHL career, but just the same, I'll keep the guy who has the higher upside (as Filatov just needs to get his head on straight, whereas Omark isn't talented enough to be a top 6 in the NHL, and would be useless in a bottom 6 role).
I don;t even think his biggest detractors would argue talent is what is keeping Omark from a top 6 role.

Size and defensive commitment (apparently) is the issue, not to mention the glut of extemely talented wingers ahead of him in Edmonton. Omark is possibly going to be a steal for somebody i think., he has produced well at the NHL level before despite people always seemingly forgetting that.

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Considering he was the Captain of his SEL(considered the 2nd best league after the NHL by many) team and took them to the championship and won it while Omark never made it to the finals, I think Silfverberg has higher credentials when it comes to playing with adults.


Omark is doing well in Switzerland thou.
Yes because one player is what takes a team to the finals. Where do you come up with this stuff? You do know that Omark as a 21 year old was 3rd in SEL scoring losing the race by 4 points, right? Omark was very impressive in the SEL, so good he got an invite to the Swedish Olympic roster and is revered back in Sweden. Performance in the SEL is pretty even. In fact Omark's best season compared to Silfverberg is a one point difference in favor of Omark (they were also the same age), although Omark did have a worse ppg (in saying that Omark was also on a worse team). Silfverberg is probably the better player rather easily (he's much bigger) but you are very much ignoring how terrific Omark was in Sweden. Omark has had quality to elite production at times in every top league in the world from the SEL to KHL to AHL and even for half a season in the NHL. Heck he even kept pace with NHL stars in Switzerland this year (which in fairness you alluded to). Omark's production in adult leagues is just fine, you should have an easy argument here lets not get carried away by claiming there is some huge disparity in their play as pro's at this point.

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Why argue with someone who probably is 10 years old.
I'd rather have Silfverburg over Omar 10/10 times and I'm an Oiler fan. Don't get me wrong Omark is pretty good, but Silfverburg is simply better. I'd do the filatov trade, I'd be happy to see Omark get another shot in the NHL.

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Haha its funny that you include the junior-stats.
Maybe Silfverberg is better off against juniors and Omark is better against seniors?
It sure looks like that if you watch the statistics!
One's in the NHL, the other isn't. Give it a rest.

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