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02-17-2013, 01:58 AM
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This is just crazy... Marleau takes way more heat than Thornton on these boards...
Nope. Like the #2 he's always been, he even comes in #2 to HF bashing compared to Thornton. Just teal with it bruv. Thornton > Marleau in all aspects of life, hockey and the universe. AINEC.

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02-17-2013, 02:02 AM
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Thornton can play longer and would be a better 3rd line player/PP specialist in his 40s that Marleau. Trade Marleau. It's funny though how teams like Tampa can tank/rebuild with guys like St. Louis and VinnyC on the roster, Anaheim with Getz/Selanne/Perry/Ryan, etc but San Jose needs to get rid of Thornton and Marleau in order to rebuild. You guys lol
Those are terrible examples... both were minor rebuilds and both had good prospects coming from juniors and the minors. The sharks system is bare as far as top end talent other hertl who is a few years away? those teams had someone coming up almost every year to rebuild with. We only have 3rd and 4th liners and defensmen coming up each year.

The sharks can't rebuild if they don't give up some of the players that are valuable to actual contenders.

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02-17-2013, 02:04 AM
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Nope. Like the #2 he's always been, he even comes in #2 to HF bashing compared to Thornton. Just teal with it bruv. Thornton > Marleau in all aspects of life, hockey and the universe. AINEC.
You can type it but it won't make it true... Marleau gets ripped way more.

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02-17-2013, 02:05 AM
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I actually see more Thornton Bashing from the general forums/Sharks forums to Marleau, Like it or not Thornton has been a fantastic leader these past 3 years in the playoffs, too bad the rest of the team does not perform.. back in 2009 you told me Thornton was average or terrible in the playoffs i'd agree, but he's changed his game.

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Those are terrible examples... both were minor rebuilds and both had good prospects coming from juniors and the minors. The sharks system is bare as far as top end talent other hertl who is a few years away? those teams had someone coming up almost every year to rebuild with. We only have 3rd and 4th liners and defensmen coming up each year.

The sharks can't rebuild if they don't give up some of the players that are valuable to actual contenders.
Tampa wasn't really a minor rebuild. After their cup, it was 2 years of being a fringe playoff team and then 3 years of being a basement dweller.

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02-17-2013, 02:06 AM
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Thornton can play longer and would be a better 3rd line player/PP specialist in his 40s that Marleau.

This isn't a realistic view either. THorton will be slower than clowe when he's 40. He probably won't be able to take 3rd line minutes in this league at that point.

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02-17-2013, 02:10 AM
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Tampa wasn't really a minor rebuild. After their cup, it was 2 years of being a fringe playoff team and then 3 years of being a basement dweller.
That wasn't because they were acquiring players though. Crappy ownership, ultra crappy coaching etc... I think they suffered thru injures one of those years too. Just because they sucked doesn't mean they were still rebuilding. Oh crappy goaltending too...

Dude tampa traded away their playoff MVP and their number 1 defensmen...

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This is just crazy... Marleau takes way more heat than Thornton on these boards...
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Nope. Like the #2 he's always been, he even comes in #2 to HF bashing compared to Thornton. Just teal with it bruv. Thornton > Marleau in all aspects of life, hockey and the universe. AINEC.

Marleau gets bashed more than Thornton on the Sharks boards but Thornton gets bashed more on the main boards and in the mainstream media. Thornton is the face of the franchise and when the Sharks fail every year, Thornton is usually the name that comes up when it comes to non-Sharks fans and media. Roenick is the President of the anti-Marleau club but other than him, people don't really talk that much about Marleau.

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02-17-2013, 02:13 AM
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Marleau gets bashed more than Thornton on the Sharks boards but Thornton gets bashed more on the main boards and in the mainstream media. Thornton is the face of the franchise and when the Sharks fail every year, Thornton is usually the name that comes up when it comes to non-Sharks fans and media. Roenick is the President of the anti-Marleau club but other than him, people don't really talk that much about Marleau.
Yes. This. Thornton definitely [Mod] gets it rough [Mod] from the national media and fans of other teams. I have friends in NY who still ask me why Thornton sucks in the playoffs... Makes me want to kick them in the groin. ;P


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02-17-2013, 02:23 AM
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Yes. This. Thornton definitely [Mod] gets it rough [Mod] from the national media and fans of other teams. I have friends in NY who still ask me why Thornton sucks in the playoffs... Makes me want to kick them in the groin. ;P
Every month there seems to be a "Is Joe Thorton a Hall of Famer" thread on the main boards and then the Tinman jokes begin. I don't see many threads about Marleau. He's just too quiet and boring for people outside SJ to care. On the other hand Thornton's got haters in Boston(obvious reasons), Vancouver(trolling the twins), Chicago(giving Toews a concussion), etc... Thornton could go down as one of the best players who never win a cup so he's a bigger lightning rod for criticism.


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You know what sucks is that we're going to be on a 9 game losing streak after we lose to the Blues and Blackhawks.

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That wasn't because they were acquiring players though. Crappy ownership, ultra crappy coaching etc... I think they suffered thru injures one of those years too. Just because they sucked doesn't mean they were still rebuilding. Oh crappy goaltending too...

Dude tampa traded away their playoff MVP and their number 1 defensmen...
And you're suggesting SJ trade away one of their best playoff performers these past few seasons, and their #1 dman and the best offensive dman in the playoffs since Lidstrom no longer plays.


Face it, Marleau without Thornton is like celery without peanut butter. It's ****** beyond belief and no one likes it. On the other hand everyone loves peanut butter and it can be used in a ton of different dishes. Just like everyone loves Thornton and how he's way more useful and better.



Either way Thornton better not be traded or this team will be cursed to dwell in mediocrity like the Lions.


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This isn't a realistic view either. THorton will be slower than clowe when he's 40. He probably won't be able to take 3rd line minutes in this league at that point.
And Marleau at 40 will spend his days knitting sweaters at home and his nights crying into his signed Thornton jersey he won in a raffle as he watches Jumbo dominate the NHL.


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And you're suggesting SJ trade away one of their best playoff performers these past few seasons, and their #1 dman and the best offensive dman in the playoffs since Lidstrom no longer plays.


Face it, Marleau without Thornton is like celery without peanut butter. It's ****** beyond belief and no one likes it. On the other hand everyone loves peanut butter and it can be used in a ton of different dishes. Just like everyone loves Thornton and how he's way more useful and better.



Either way Thornton better not be traded or this team will be cursed to dwell in mediocrity like the Lions.




And Marleau at 40 will spend his days knitting sweaters at home and his nights crying into his signed Thornton jersey he won in a raffle as he watches Jumbo dominate the NHL.
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I actually see more Thornton Bashing from the general forums/Sharks forums to Marleau, Like it or not Thornton has been a fantastic leader these past 3 years in the playoffs, too bad the rest of the team does not perform.. back in 2009 you told me Thornton was average or terrible in the playoffs i'd agree, but he's changed his game.
There is about a million times more Marleau bashing than Thornton bashing.

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All this Marleau and Thornton bashing is ridiculous. The biggest problem on the team is the same issue that's existed for at least 3 seasons now and that is secondary scoring. Shut down the top line and you have a 50% chance to get a shut out.
Right now San Jose appears to have 4 top 6 forwards and a revolving door of 3rd or 4th liners. Unless Clowe and Havlat find their game or a trade happens there won't be much from the 2nd line. 1 line teams rarely do much and their win/loss streak follows the hot streak of their one line.

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Face it, Marleau without Thornton is like celery without peanut butter. It's ****** beyond belief and no one likes it. On the other hand everyone loves peanut butter and it can be used in a ton of different dishes. Just like everyone loves Thornton and how he's way more useful and better.
One of the best posts (and 100% spot on) Ive seen on the boards in awhile

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another perspective...If the Sharks can turn this ship around, much better to be playing good goin into the playoffs than at the begining of the season.

I know "PLAYOFFS"

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One of the best posts (and 100% spot on) Ive seen on the boards in awhile
You do realize that he's being sarcastic, right?

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You do realize that he's being sarcastic, right?
Which makes its accuracy even more amazing.

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I'd like to see Coach McLellan stick with the same lines and give them time to develop some more chemistry. All the juggling seems to make the players appear out of sync...

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I'm up for firing TMac, but only if a suitable replacement is already found.

What I mainly don't like is his tendency to play favorites. We saw this last year with Colin White over Vandermeer and this year with Murray over anyone else. He puts random players in the doghouse for no reason, like Andrew Murray last year and Galiardi this year. Then he turns around and gives other players tons of chances to succeed and gives them top-6 time, like Wingels or now Kennedy (who had one good game and is suddenly penciled in as a top-6, even though Sheppard has been playing great and Galiardi never even had an opportunity). Then there's Clowe who has been terrible this year yet still gets top-6 and PP time just because he's a veteran and a coach favorite.

It also seems like he stresses a simple, no-mistakes game and penalizes players for taking risks. That leads to boring, grind-it-out hockey and no skill which is one of the reasons why our bottom-6 has sucked so much for the last few years. Sometimes you got to take the chances if you want to score, but TMac doesn't seem to think so. If a player does something even remotely creative, he'll demote him or worse bench him for the next game and have him think about what he's done.

Don't even get me started on the musical chairs line combinations.


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All this Marleau and Thornton bashing is ridiculous. The biggest problem on the team is the same issue that's existed for at least 3 seasons now and that is secondary scoring. Shut down the top line and you have a 50% chance to get a shut out.
Right now San Jose appears to have 4 top 6 forwards and a revolving door of 3rd or 4th liners. Unless Clowe and Havlat find their game or a trade happens there won't be much from the 2nd line. 1 line teams rarely do much and their win/loss streak follows the hot streak of their one line.
This. Absolutely this.

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Face it, Marleau without Thornton is like celery without peanut butter. It's ****** beyond belief and no one likes it. On the other hand everyone loves peanut butter and it can be used in a ton of different dishes. Just like everyone loves Thornton and how he's way more useful and better.
Either way Thornton better not be traded or this team will be cursed to dwell in mediocrity like the Lions.

Hilarious...but oh so true. But hilarious

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another perspective...If the Sharks can turn this ship around, much better to be playing good goin into the playoffs than at the begining of the season:
True. Best to have your major slump early thus, time to make corrections/additions/subtractions.

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I'd like to see Coach McLellan stick with the same lines and give them time to develop some more chemistry. All the juggling seems to make the players appear out of sync...
Couldn't agree more!!

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There is about a million times more Marleau bashing than Thornton bashing.
We always get to this point because people have a hard time separating current play from past play. Thornton has played a much more consistent game than Patty and been a better leader .... not that either of them are perfect. But for me .... one who has totally been fed up with Marleau's infantile pouting sessions .... I'm telling you if you are pissed at Marleau right now you [Mod] are wrong [Mod]. The man is skating hard every shift, going into the corners and retrieving pucks, and strong on the backcheck. More importantly to me, he is finishing checks with authority and has even been making some mid ice checks.

I'll take Thornton over Patty for their careers but for today? Jumbo has some work to do to show he should stay on the top PP unit even, and Marleau is playing the most honest game of his career.

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