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02-18-2013, 05:13 AM
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Don't look now, but Hagelin is -- after 7 games without a goal -- all of a sudden top 30 in goals (t-29) and rising fast.

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02-18-2013, 05:49 AM
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OK, i might know him, if he works in hockey i definitely have friends who know him. It's a nice place to live and play hockey, SSK is having a good season this year, will be fun to watch some playoff hockey once more.

Ha ha i'm kind of starting to understand the "madhouse" metaphor with the Brad Richards thread, the Brian Boyle thread and the season expectations...

Im guessing the attitude in here is quite infectious

back to topic: Let's see how he does without Nash tonight (if he's out) as long as he uses his speed he'll be effective!
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02-18-2013, 07:03 AM
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Really surprised how well Hagelin has played lately. Had a feeling he was going to go thru a sophomore slump.

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02-18-2013, 08:04 AM
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People read too much into Torts' advice to other players to watch Hagelin. Its not about getting into the weeds of the argument and comparing the attributes of each players.

Its about how Hagelin is fearless out there - specifcially how he uses his speed to get to the dirty areas of the ice.

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02-18-2013, 08:21 AM
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People read too much into Torts' advice to other players to watch Hagelin. Its not about getting into the weeds of the argument and comparing the attributes of each players.

Its about how Hagelin is fearless out there - specifcially how he uses his speed to get to the dirty areas of the ice.
Exactly this. It actually took Hagelin half a season of playing in the AHL after 4 years at Michigan to figure out how to utilize his speed to his advantage at this level.

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02-18-2013, 08:48 AM
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People read too much into Torts' advice to other players to watch Hagelin. Its not about getting into the weeds of the argument and comparing the attributes of each players.

Its about how Hagelin is fearless out there - specifcially how he uses his speed to get to the dirty areas of the ice.
I agree 100% with Torts here.

I think to a big extent it comes from the need to have momentum and carry the play in the game today. And there are many players in this league who can play a game where they put pts on the board -- but don't contribute much if at all in getting their teams up ice and into the attacking zone and at keeping the puck there.

Hagelin is not great at carrying the puck nor is he that strong it around the boards. But he is extremely active on the forecheck, read the ice well and forces alot of turnovers and any line he is on is effective in this regard.

Torts has made comments on Kreider and Gabby in which he has referred to Hags. Torts has also several times cut down Gabby's ice time or benched him completely. He called out Gabby after the PO's (despite the shoulder). And I think he got good grounds for it. Gabby must found ways to be more of a force on the ice. I know its harsh, but we should and we will go Gartner on him if he doesn't get it done in the PO's in the near future.

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02-18-2013, 09:08 AM
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Great turnaround by Hagelin. He's been our best forward all season along with Nash despite his slump at the start of the year.

It's encouraging to see him stlll adding tricks to his game. His puck skills, passing, patience and vision have improved with the puck. I really hope he can keep working on his shot. He just seems to keep improving.

I remember watching his last year here in Gothenburg against Frolunda thinking that there was no way he would play with the Rangers last year. Oh, the shame...

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02-18-2013, 09:17 AM
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Ah, that's awesome, he's done a great job with "sportklubben". Let's hope they make it to the SEL this spring!

Really enjoyed Calles game last night, he might not be great at carrying the puck but he's been making great decisions with it, good passing and good vision.

The next level for him, not that it's any rush to get there would be carrying the puck more. Maybe trying to beat a defender 1 on 1 using his speed from the neutral zone i bit like Nash.

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02-18-2013, 09:23 AM
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I agree 100% with Torts here.

I think to a big extent it comes from the need to have momentum and carry the play in the game today. And there are many players in this league who can play a game where they put pts on the board -- but don't contribute much if at all in getting their teams up ice and into the attacking zone and at keeping the puck there.

Hagelin is not great at carrying the puck nor is he that strong it around the boards. But he is extremely active on the forecheck, read the ice well and forces alot of turnovers and any line he is on is effective in this regard.

Torts has made comments on Kreider and Gabby in which he has referred to Hags. Torts has also several times cut down Gabby's ice time or benched him completely. He called out Gabby after the PO's (despite the shoulder). And I think he got good grounds for it. Gabby must found ways to be more of a force on the ice. I know its harsh, but we should and we will go Gartner on him if he doesn't get it done in the PO's in the near future.
I agree with almost everything, I would like to add a few things though.

1: Hagelin's problem when carrying the puck is IMO not that his hands or head can't keep up with his feet, because I think that is actually one of his strengths, but that he isn't strong or skilled enough to beat a defender 1-on-1 most of the times. He can't power or deke around them like Nash. Very similar to Gaborik in that aspect as a matter of fact. With some room, Hagelin is excellent on the transition since he can still make a play while at top speed.

For example: Dubinsky wasn't nearly as fast as Hags, but he was great at protecting the puck and could power through defenders into the offensive zone.

2: His boardplay. I think this is actually one of his strengths as a player. He should be too small to be an effective player in this area, but he use his body and skating so well that he almost always comes out with the puck. He is also very good at masking his plays, doing quick reverses or plays into the slot from behind the net that the opposition wasn't expecting.

3: Apart from not being able to beat his opponent 1-on-1 I feel that his biggest weakness is pure skill with the puck. He is good enough in almost all areas, except maybe receiving a hard pass, but not that good. He makes tons of good plays, but almost every single one isn't a technically difficult play, it's an easy but smart play often just keeping the offensive pressure or an unexpected pass that creates an opportunity.

Look at the PP goal from last night vs the Caps. He was the only player not directly involved in the goal and I don't think he could have filled many roles in that play.

Nash's play on the blueline: Hagelin could likely have done it. It was more about offensive awareness than skill, but he might not have been able to pull it off if the PK:er had gotten a check in.

Richards' and Del Zotto's passes: No way. Hard, precise passes without corralling the puck. Hagelin isn't skilled enough to pull it off.

Stepan's conversion: He could probably have handled it, but it would've been on his off side.

Hagelin is a very smart player that has adapted his game to utilize his strengths as a player at all times while minimizing his weaknesses. He generates a ton of offence on a consistent basis, and there is nothing glaringly unsustainable about his underlying statistics.

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02-18-2013, 10:25 AM
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I wonder if Hagelin will pull a Callahan. Just like Callahan his skills and physical attributes don't give him a high ceiling, but through sheer hard work and the ability to find out what type of player he is Hagelin could go far.

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02-18-2013, 12:00 PM
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I agree with almost everything, I would like to add a few things though.

1: Hagelin's problem when carrying the puck is IMO not that his hands or head can't keep up with his feet, because I think that is actually one of his strengths, but that he isn't strong or skilled enough to beat a defender 1-on-1 most of the times. He can't power or deke around them like Nash. Very similar to Gaborik in that aspect as a matter of fact. With some room, Hagelin is excellent on the transition since he can still make a play while at top speed.

For example: Dubinsky wasn't nearly as fast as Hags, but he was great at protecting the puck and could power through defenders into the offensive zone.

2: His boardplay. I think this is actually one of his strengths as a player. He should be too small to be an effective player in this area, but he use his body and skating so well that he almost always comes out with the puck. He is also very good at masking his plays, doing quick reverses or plays into the slot from behind the net that the opposition wasn't expecting.

3: Apart from not being able to beat his opponent 1-on-1 I feel that his biggest weakness is pure skill with the puck. He is good enough in almost all areas, except maybe receiving a hard pass, but not that good. He makes tons of good plays, but almost every single one isn't a technically difficult play, it's an easy but smart play often just keeping the offensive pressure or an unexpected pass that creates an opportunity.

Look at the PP goal from last night vs the Caps. He was the only player not directly involved in the goal and I don't think he could have filled many roles in that play.

Nash's play on the blueline: Hagelin could likely have done it. It was more about offensive awareness than skill, but he might not have been able to pull it off if the PK:er had gotten a check in.

Richards' and Del Zotto's passes: No way. Hard, precise passes without corralling the puck. Hagelin isn't skilled enough to pull it off.

Stepan's conversion: He could probably have handled it, but it would've been on his off side.

Hagelin is a very smart player that has adapted his game to utilize his strengths as a player at all times while minimizing his weaknesses. He generates a ton of offence on a consistent basis, and there is nothing glaringly unsustainable about his underlying statistics.
Agree with most of this aside from not being able to make a touch pass like richards or del zotto.... He's in the NHL... he better be able to make a tape to tape touch pass.

I don't think he would have attempted to make a pass like that though... He's more of a linear player than one that sees the ice well enough to make that pass.

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02-18-2013, 03:56 PM
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I wonder if Hagelin will pull a Callahan. Just like Callahan his skills and physical attributes don't give him a high ceiling, but through sheer hard work and the ability to find out what type of player he is Hagelin could go far.
I too have come to this conclusion, and see the parallel. Would like to see them as linemates with a speedy C.

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02-18-2013, 04:07 PM
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Hagelin has been playing like our best forward over the past 5 games. He's really, really picked it up since getting called out.

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02-18-2013, 06:37 PM
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Carl has definitely benefitted from being around a player like Nash, but that is what happens on good teams. Certain players help make other players better, and I don't mean just temporarily because they are skating on the same line.
Hagelin seems to have upped his game, as some here suggest, after the first half-dozen or so games. I could understand if he does not continue putting up points at the same torrid pace. What I love is seeing how this guy is setting an example for others.

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02-18-2013, 09:18 PM
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As I said earlier in the thread... combination of amazing postseason-like FLOW and having great chemistry with Nash who opens the ice for Hagelin to use his speed.

Hope that pair isn't broken up anytime soon.

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02-25-2013, 11:07 PM
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Was it Hags with the rocket of a shot that beat Price but hit the post against the Hags? I missed it and the sound was off. If it's him, how refreshing is that? Seems like he's not that consistent with it, but imagine if he becomes more consistent shooting and you add the hard work garbage goals that he gets.

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02-25-2013, 11:57 PM
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John Tortorella said the team keeps a stat where your number of offensive chances is subtracted from your mistakes resulting in chances against...

Nash is #1, Hags is #2

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After a short dry spell, Carl has put up 4a in his last 3gp.

This means that after failing to score a point in the first seven games, Carl has gone 7-8-15 in his last 17gp and 6-7-13 in his last 14gp. All points but one were scored at ES. The Rangers shoot 35.1 shots per 60 minutes of 5v5 hockey when he is on the ice which is 3rd in the NHL. His Corsi Rel. is among the top of the league. His offensive percentages are sustainable, maybe even on the low side.

IMO, Hagelin is emerging as a legit 1st line LW. He has consistently raised the game of his linemates throughout his Ranger career, and I believe that he has raised Nash's game as much as the other way around. Nash's 10 game point streak started vs. Tampa, that was the first game they started on a line together. From that point on Carl has gone 14gp-6g-7a-13p, and Nash 10gp-7g-9a-16p.

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A great player who works extremely hard . I hope he keeps it up because he is one of the reasons why they are doing better of late . His hard work on the forecheck...I hope Gabby reads this...puts pressure on the opposition D and his speed forces them to turn over pucks...it is not because of his physical stature...speed intimidates .

He never will be as physical as Cally...but that is OK in my books as long as he keeps them wheels moving he will be playing hockey in the NHL for a long time . Look at Dupuis in Pittsburgh....

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He's incredibly strong behind the net. Awesome guy to have on the team.

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After a short dry spell, Carl has put up 4a in his last 3gp.

This means that after failing to score a point in the first seven games, Carl has gone 7-8-15 in his last 17gp and 6-7-13 in his last 14gp. All points but one were scored at ES. The Rangers shoot 35.1 shots per 60 minutes of 5v5 hockey when he is on the ice which is 3rd in the NHL. His Corsi Rel. is among the top of the league. His offensive percentages are sustainable, maybe even on the low side.

IMO, Hagelin is emerging as a legit 1st line LW. He has consistently raised the game of his linemates throughout his Ranger career, and I believe that he has raised Nash's game as much as the other way around. Nash's 10 game point streak started vs. Tampa, that was the first game they started on a line together. From that point on Carl has gone 14gp-6g-7a-13p, and Nash 10gp-7g-9a-16p.
I like this, really puts this into perspective.. Now we need to get Gabs rolling, richards, and kreider back up to the show working like hags.. great POV tho..

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He's incredibly strong behind the net. Awesome guy to have on the team.
Amazing behind the net. It seems that no one can take the puck away from him.

Next step is to bring the puck to the front of the net with more consistency. Also didn't realize he's been putting up this many points, even without scoring goals. Hard work pays off!

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IMO, Hagelin is emerging as a legit 1st line LW. He has consistently raised the game of his linemates throughout his Ranger career, and I believe that he has raised Nash's game as much as the other way around. Nash's 10 game point streak started vs. Tampa, that was the first game they started on a line together. From that point on Carl has gone 14gp-6g-7a-13p, and Nash 10gp-7g-9a-16p.

Lets not get carried away here, it's only a small sample. Nash without Hagelin is still a PPG player. Hagelin without Nash? I have some serious doubts. Hagelin has clearly benefitted from playing with Nash.

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Lets not get carried away here, it's only a small sample. Nash without Hagelin is still a PPG player. Hagelin without Nash? I have some serious doubts. Hagelin has clearly benefitted from playing with Nash.
Hagelin did well last season without Nash.

I think they both compliment each other VERY well.

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Hags has played very well, and is a great asset to this team. Especially with such a thin LW depth. That being said let's not go overboard here. Hagelin is a 1st line LW on the NYR. He would not be on a lot of other teams. Not because he isn't good, just he isn't good enough to be a 1st line LW on a team with a deep LW.

He is a serviceable 1st line LW and a great 2nd line LW on a deep team. Unless he somehow manages to keep up this scoring pace, which seems unrealistic to me. Then you can start talking about legit first line LW. Let's not jump the gun here.

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