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02-17-2013, 02:07 PM
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Sounds good to me.
Hey MB (and/or others), who do you think would help us the most between Drouin or Barkov?

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Hey MB (and/or others), who do you think would help us the most between Droudin or Barkov?

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They're very different types of players. I think Barkov has a higher floor but Drouin has a higher ceiling. They are really dead even in my book, I can't see how you could go wrong picking one over the other. I would choose Barkov because we need more size, grit, and never-say-die work ethic in our top 6. Plus he's a center who's great at faceoffs and defensively too. Whereas it's unclear whether Drouin will be a center in the NHL or not. He doesn't play a lot of center right now. He might next season when MacKinnon is in the NHL. BTW, I'm not saying Drouin doesn't have incredible work ethic also, but we need someone who can just enforce his will out there and Barkov can do that more effectively with his great size and balls of steel. I really think we just desperately need more guys who will just never cease to head towards the net, but with the talent to make things happen when they get the puck on their stick. Those types of forwards are very difficult to find and we have the opportunity to get the best of that type of forward in this draft if we have the chance to draft Barkov.

I'd also be very excited if we drafted Drouin though, he has the best hands in the draft and probably the best hockey sense too.

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I'm guessing if Mackinnon is off the table, Tallon goes for Monahan aka Joanthan Toews 2.0

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if we get mackinnon or drouin or even barkov, i will flip out. if we can get monahan or lindholm or even shinkaruk ill be sooo happy. regardless of where we're picking, if we can draft one of those six forwards (especially mackinnon, drouin, barkov, monahan, or lindholm) that would help us soooo much down the road. just the thought of huberdeau and drouin on opposite wings on the same line, my goodness.

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02-18-2013, 02:44 AM
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Okay, for fun, who do you go with at #3 if Jones & Mac are already off the board?

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Barkov.

Arguments can be made for 5/6 players that might end up as the best player from this draft, and i think other players might have more top end statistical upside, but i'd seriously consider taking Barkov at #1 (Even though i fully expect him not to go there). He doesn't skate like Mackinnon,isn't as visually spectacular as Drouin, but looking down the line, when hopefully we are contending, Barkov screams out as the type of player you want. Intangibles and defensive ability as attributes are often overstated in hockey, but i can envisage Barkov being an elite player in all facets of the game. He plays a very calm, calculated and mature brand of hockey. Incredibly amount of patience and poise. When you blend this in with the raw attributes ; the size, the vision, the elite hands, the good shot and you IMO have a world class hockey player. His skating can improve, but it isn't a defiency, and his style has less emphasis on skating speed anyway. To me, Barkov will have a Sundin/Kopitar type career. A durable player with great offensize numbers is reliable in all areas. What is not to love?

Of course, i'd be extremely content with any of the Top 5 available Forwards. It's reasonable to believe all five are capable of become top tier offensive players in the future IMO.

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if we get mackinnon or drouin or even barkov, i will flip out. if we can get monahan or lindholm or even shinkaruk ill be sooo happy. regardless of where we're picking, if we can draft one of those six forwards (especially mackinnon, drouin, barkov, monahan, or lindholm) that would help us soooo much down the road. just the thought of huberdeau and drouin on opposite wings on the same line, my goodness.
Mac/Drouin - Bjugstad - Huberdeau

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that one is veryyyy tough for me. either barkov or drouin. i realllly want drouin, and the only reason why id choose barkov is because he's a center. yea, drouin may develop into a center, but i doubt it. drouin and huberdeau on opposite wings would be insane. barkov is a center, huge, good on the faceoff, extremely mature, he's just so well rounded in every field. i dont see the pure skill like drouin has, but barkov plays a different style game and is very effective at it. plus, in those shootouts u get a sense of that skill that he has and he does have plenty of it, i just get mesmerized by drouin. cant go wrong with either. barkov and bjugstad down the middle, we'd have bigggg centers. or drouin-huberdeau. both scenarios are awesome and id be ecstatic with either.

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Barkov has exceptional hands. Barkov is a better player and prospect than Bjugstad. Smarter player with better hands and vision.

But yes, Barkov, Drouin, Lindholm or Monahan (and Mackinnon) ... you're getting a player who projects to be a top line Forward. I'd probably take all 5 over Huberdeau, but it's close.

Top 6 and you're golden this year.

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Barkov has exceptional hands. Barkov is a better player and prospect than Bjugstad. Smarter player with better hands and vision.

But yes, Barkov, Drouin, Lindholm or Monahan (and Mackinnon) ... you're getting a player who projects to be a top line Forward. I'd probably take all 5 over Huberdeau, but it's close.

Top 6 and you're golden this year.
...which means we are picking #7.

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...which means we are picking #7.
This years Erik Gudbranson .... welcome Nikita Zadarov!

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Barkov has exceptional hands. Barkov is a better player and prospect than Bjugstad. Smarter player with better hands and vision.

But yes, Barkov, Drouin, Lindholm or Monahan (and Mackinnon) ... you're getting a player who projects to be a top line Forward. I'd probably take all 5 over Huberdeau, but it's close.

Top 6 and you're golden this year.

Mackinnon aside and with the exception of Drouin none of those players have better skills or are as accomplished as Huberdeau. Drouin and Huberdeau are debatable

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Mackinnon aside and with the exception of Drouin none of those players have better skills or are as accomplished as Huberdeau. Drouin and Huberdeau are debatable
Accomplished is entirely the wrong word to use, given we are discussing draft eligible prospects with a player who is 20 and has played 4 years of Junior. However, if you want to discuss accomplishments ; Barkov is the highest scoring Finnish draft eligible player of all time, Lindholm is one of the highest scoring Swedish eligible Forwards of all time (Now past Backstrom) and Drouin is at 2 PPG in the CHL. All these players are somewhat historically relevant within their own environment.

Of course, statistical data isn't everything. I'd take Barkov 10/10 over Huberdeau. Give me a 6 ft 3 physically dominating specimen with elite hands and vision over Huberdeau. Lindholm and Drouin are somewhat similar to Huberdeau, but both have arguably higher end abilities. Monahan is debatable, but again, responsible big offensively gifted Centers are a rare commodity.

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We always pick high in the wrong draft. 2015 is when we need to be at the bottom....

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Accomplished is entirely the wrong word to use, given we are discussing draft eligible prospects with a player who is 20 and has played 4 years of Junior. However, if you want to discuss accomplishments ; Barkov is the highest scoring Finnish draft eligible player of all time, Lindholm is one of the highest scoring Swedish eligible Forwards of all time (Now past Backstrom) and Drouin is at 2 PPG in the CHL. All these players are somewhat historically relevant within their own environment.

Of course, statistical data isn't everything. I'd take Barkov 10/10 over Huberdeau. Give me a 6 ft 3 physically dominating specimen with elite hands and vision over Huberdeau. Lindholm and Drouin are somewhat similar to Huberdeau, but both have arguably higher end abilities. Monahan is debatable, but again, responsible big offensively gifted Centers are a rare commodity.


I see what your saying, I guess what I meant to say is we already have guys like that in our system except Lindholm. Bjugstad, Shore, Howden are all 6'3 plus none have the capabilities of Barkov but they are still somewhat comparable in the "size" respect and two way play department. We needed a guy like Huberdeau for awhile now an all out skilled forward not a two way threat. Even with Huberdeau I still want a guy that can put the puck in the net as he is more of a playmaker. Lindholm I believe is projected as another playmaker? Drouin too similar to Huberdeau. Barkov a much better Bjugstad ? I dunno I guess any of them will improve the team but obviously Mackinnon would be the target.

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I see what your saying, I guess what I meant to say is we already have guys like that in our system except Lindholm. Bjugstad, Shore, Howden are all 6'3 plus none have the capabilities of Barkov but they are still somewhat comparable in the "size" respect and two way play department. We needed a guy like Huberdeau for awhile now an all out skilled forward not a two way threat. Even with Huberdeau I still want a guy that can put the puck in the net as he is more of a playmaker. Lindholm I believe is projected as another playmaker? Drouin too similar to Huberdeau. Barkov a much better Bjugstad ? I dunno I guess any of them will improve the team but obviously Mackinnon would be the target.
Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan, Mackinnon and Drouin are all very skilled with the puck. Of course a few of them are more playmaking orientated, but they all project to be impact Forwards at the NHL level. Lindholm is a fantastic skater with great vision and will be more of a playmaker than scorer at the NHL level. Barkov has a very good shot, but plays a calm puck possession type game. Drouin has the most puck flash, whilst Monahan is just solid everywhere.

I'd take Barkov over Huberdeau everytime because big framed players who are great in both ends is a very very difficult commodity to find.

You can't begrudge the selection of any of these players. Mackinnon/Drouin will be taken before the others, in my opinion. I think Lindholm might slip a little relative to the others, although i think it would be a mistake to not take him in the Top 6. Some team will be enamoured with Zadorov/Nurse/Pulock/Ristolainen probably.

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j17 you really love barkov. have you watched this guy personally. why do you feel so strongly. When i do some research he seems good. But i don't see it in the stats. Why does his and other foreign players statlines suck compared to northamerican prospects

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j17 you really love barkov. have you watched this guy personally. why do you feel so strongly. When i do some research he seems good. But i don't see it in the stats. Why does his and other foreign players statlines suck compared to northamerican prospects
Because European players play in leagues with men, while North American prospects play with teenagers. That is the gist of it, and while there is more to it, J17 will fill you in on the rest.

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J17 is a euro fan, always has been. He'll take the euro 11 times outta 10, regardless.

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Yes, i do follow European prospects, however as i've said, there is little seperation between the Top Forwards in this draft, European or not.

Barkov's stats are exceptional. Jokinen is the only statistical comparison historically, and Jokinen was nearly a year older in his draft year. I've given my analysis on Barkov in this thread already, so it seems redundant regurgitating that information. It is there to read if you wish. I don't think Barkov will neccessairly will have the highest peak from this draft, but i think you're getting a PPG physically imposing center who commands the game in all three zones.

As for the Europeans playing at the men's level versus North Americans playing Junior, it's somewhat irrelevant. Simply because a player competes against men at 18, doesn't mean he projects to better than the Junior in North America. Vice Versa. The NHL draft isn't about today or tomorrow. Of course when we see production that is historically elite relative to that nation at 17/18, it's definitely noteworthy. Barkov has the best draft eligible season in Finnish history. Lindholm likewise in Sweden is very noteworthy. Of course you need to look beyond the stats, but these numbers are noteworthy.

To repeat, i would be content with any of the Top 6 (Jones included). I have my slight favourites, of course.

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So for comparisons sake we have


Barkov= Kopitar

Lindholm= Backstrom

Monahan= Toews

Drouin = P.Kane lite

Jones= Pietrangelo

Mackinnon= Stamkos lite

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The selfish person in me just wants a pure goal-scorer. Like forget the two-way game, the face-off specialist, the captain material, etc. Just a guy that only wants to do one thing... score as many goals as possible.

...okay, fantasy over. Back to your regularly scheduled program.

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Barkov= Kopitar

Lindholm= Backstrom

Monahan= Toews

Drouin = P.Kane lite

Jones= Pietrangelo

Mackinnon= Stamkos lite
I would put a lite next to all of those actually except for Jones.

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The selfish person in me just wants a pure goal-scorer. Like forget the two-way game, the face-off specialist, the captain material, etc. Just a guy that only wants to do one thing... score as many goals as possible.

...okay, fantasy over. Back to your regularly scheduled program.

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MacKinnon is really the only guy who fits that bill. All the top forwards have terrific hands and everything, but he's the only guy who has the total package of size, speed, stickhandling, two-way ability and pure scoring touch. If we can't get a top two pick, then we'll pick someone who is going to have "holes" in their game, although with the traits they do possess being spectacular.

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MacKinnon is really the only guy who fits that bill. All the top forwards have terrific hands and everything, but he's the only guy who has the total package of size, speed, stickhandling, two-way ability and pure scoring touch. If we can't get a top two pick, then we'll pick someone who is going to have "holes" in their game, although with the traits they do possess being spectacular.
Haha, thanks MB. I was just ranting a bit cause we have so much trouble scoring goals consistently. I (like everyone else on here) would love anyone of those top players, especially Mac.

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Haha, thank MB. I was just ranting a bit cause we have so much trouble scoring goals consistently. I (like everyone else on here) would love anyone of those top players, especially Mac.

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Yeah, we'll be good, trust me. Any of those forwards would do very good things for our offense.

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