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Crosby for Seguin, Hamilton, Krejci

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02-18-2013, 02:10 AM
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would not do if I were boston.
depth wins in this league and Crosby has to many concussions to mortgage a first and second line center, as well as a top d prospect

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02-18-2013, 02:16 AM
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1. Crosby is not available
2. No team in the league would give up the assets it would cost to get Crosby.
What was it, NY Rangers proposal for Eric Lindros that was supposed to be like everything they had? Or was it something considering Lemieux before the draft? Either way, it's about the same thing.

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02-18-2013, 02:33 AM
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What was it, NY Rangers proposal for Eric Lindros that was supposed to be like everything they had? Or was it something considering Lemieux before the draft? Either way, it's about the same thing.
Montreal offered their entire draft for Mario in his draft year. The Pens of course turned it down.

As for this thread, like I said in a cap world you can not make an offer for a Crosby that would entice the Pens. Even if you had the pieces, the cost of them would blow up your cap soon enough if they developed so you would be better keeping Crosby.

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02-18-2013, 07:42 AM
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Is the ban on Crosby proposals no longer in effect? Can we request that it be reinstated?

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02-18-2013, 08:26 AM
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Generous offer by the Bruins but the Penguins are not looking and willing to move Sid.

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02-18-2013, 08:48 AM
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Really ? Crosby is NOT the player he was before his headaches and never will be. Bruins will and are better with the players we have. Crosby can stay in Pitt with Mario they are a perfect match.
Really? has he stopped producing all of a sudden?

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02-18-2013, 09:51 AM
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To answer the the op:

No, it does not help out the Penguins this year. I do not trust Dougie Hamilton this year and I feel Harrington could have close to the same career.

I would also rather have Crosby than Krejci and Seguin. Reasoning? Please see the 130+ points in 82 games thread.

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02-18-2013, 10:09 AM
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Forget Crosby's marketability and lets talk strictly on what brings the Pens closer to a cup now, and over the next 6 years.

To The Bruins:
Crosby

To the Pens:
TYLER SEGUIN
DOUGIE HAMILTON
DAVID KREJCI

A) Would this trade help or hurt the Penguins product on the ice now, and over the next 6 years?
B) From a value POV, is this a good trade for either team? If not, what's missing?
So.... Sutter becomes the 4th C?

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02-18-2013, 10:25 AM
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Is the ban on Crosby proposals no longer in effect? Can we request that it be reinstated?
No player is off-limits for discussion.

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02-18-2013, 12:00 PM
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Is the ban on Crosby proposals no longer in effect? Can we request that it be reinstated?
malkin proposals are equally as dumb. both should be banned.

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02-18-2013, 12:04 PM
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i wouldnt touch that as a bruins fan. you dont win cups with one great player you need depth.

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02-18-2013, 12:17 PM
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i wouldnt touch that as a bruins fan. you dont win cups with one great player you need depth.
Trust me the Penguins would not touch it either.

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02-18-2013, 12:19 PM
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No player is off-limits for discussion.
Fair enough. It just always seems like these proposals for Crosby/Malkin/Ovechkin/Tavares/Toews/Giroux/superstar who won't be traded always end the same, and it's never well.

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02-18-2013, 12:47 PM
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As much as like Seguin, Krejci, and Hamilton, I think Boston still has to add here. Even considering the concussion issues, I think more assets are needed to land the best player on the planet. And Crosby is just that IMO. And I'm not a fan of either team.

That being said, if Chiarelli were to pull that off, I would instantly call him a genius, genius, genius! Why? Because he would have essentially flipped Kessel and Krejci for Crosby and Jared Knight. Not too shabby lol. Think about it that way while evaluating the OP's trade

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or we don't even have to because the notion of trading the best player on the planet would be absolutely ridiculous unless he wanted out (which he doesn't since he signed that 12-year extension)
I was just playing along, but I agree with you.

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02-18-2013, 12:50 PM
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There is no way the Penguins can improve by trading Crosby. It's as simple as that. No return is worth it. Stop thinking you're going to be the one to find it. No combination of players can do as much as Crosby on the ice or in the locker room or, anything.

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02-18-2013, 12:56 PM
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This reminds me of the hypothetical question/problem I came up with before Crosby re-signed in Pittsburgh over the summer.

If Crosby were to reach Unrestricted Free Agency and made the statement "My true desire in life was to play goaltender at the NHL level. I will sign with whichever team vows to let me play goaltender the most each season. The rest of the games I will play my natural position at center." How many games would you promise Crosby?

I'd offer 10 which isn't enough to sink us provided we lose all 10 but I think injury might be a concern at that point.

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02-18-2013, 02:17 PM
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I wouldnt trade anything for a guy with Crosbys concussion history no matter how many secondary assists they seem to magicly get.

He is one more hit away from being the complimentary fan greeter/ resident honorary handshake poobah for STH's. Ill take my chances elsewarez.

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02-18-2013, 02:19 PM
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Horrible trade for the Bruins.

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It's not an important question. Could ask the same with Kessel, Phaneuf, and Lupul.
Give those three for Crosby without a second thought,and I am a Leafs fan.

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02-18-2013, 03:00 PM
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i'll just put it this way, even if i've said so in this thread already:

for any team asking for Crosby in a trade (let alone Crosby +, which is even more ludicrous), it will immediately command more than you want to pay, regardless of what you offer. it doesn't even matter what his "status" is as far as injuries go.

for the particular proposal in this thread, it's very interesting how Bruins fans are insisting that his seemingly hundreds of concussions dramatically reduce his value. here's the fact of the matter: Crosby MAY be tearing it up better without that concussion, but he's still producing a hell of a lot better than the average player. also, he's producing more than Seguin and Krejci combined.

you can dispute value all you want, but the fact remains that the Pens have no reason to ever think of a trade like this, no matter what the return.

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02-18-2013, 03:05 PM
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Im sorry . There is no way the Penquins trade Crosby for three good players strung together.

Why not 5 mediocre players? Why not 8 lousy players? It doesnt work this way.

Crosby would only be sold for some reasonable return .

The only thing I can think of is Karlsson plus Spezza plus a first.

or Stamkos plus Hedman and a first

or even Toews and Kane together straight up.

You have to trade superstar for superstar. Then add to level it out.

If they were younger, both Sedins for Crosby straight up.

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02-18-2013, 03:19 PM
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Why not 5 mediocre players? Why not 8 lousy players? It doesnt work this way.
Because five mediocre players have basically no value and eight bad players have negative value. . .

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Crosby would only be sold for some reasonable return .
The only thing I can think of is Karlsson plus Spezza plus a first.
or Stamkos plus Hedman and a first
Stamkos is almost at Crosby's level while he's younger and has no injury history. And now Tampa has to add Victor Hedman and a first?

The Karlsson offer was as absurd prior to his injury.

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I stand by this, how do Pens fans feel about:

To Pitt:
Ovechkin

To Wash:
Neal
Letang
Kunitz

Not so eager to add the "Super Star" now eh'?

No chance anybody gives up 3 impressive pieces like (Seguin Hamilton Krejci) for Crosby, despite how talented he is, he can only take up one position on the ice.

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Because five mediocre players have basically no value and eight bad players have negative value. . .


Stamkos is almost at Crosby's level while he's younger and has no injury history. And now Tampa has to add Victor Hedman and a first?

The Karlsson offer was as absurd prior to his injury.
It absurd that you think Karlsson is worth more than the youngest stanley cup captain in its 93 year history.

Its absurd that you think Karlsson is worth the Gold medal scoring hero.

Its absurd you think Karlsson is worth anything near what Crosby is yet. You are projecting some perfect future for the guy where he single handedly breaks all of Bobby Orr's record or something.

Stamkos is worth 75% of Crosby, unless he starts to expand the scope of his game to other areas of the ice.

Hedman is over rated and thus the mid round first is also needed.

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