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02-18-2013, 09:20 PM
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why would the pens want to move niskanen, anyway? plays 20 minutes a night...plays in every situation...i don't get it...
Pens have 1.5 trillion defensive prospects. Niskanen has been very good, but, in my mind, one of the top-4 has to go for Despres (who is a top-4 guy) and Niskanen is the... odd man out.

As far as why we'd want Okposo... is there some reason we shouldn't?

He's still young, RHS (desperately needed), physical guy, who can score.

What's the issue been with him?

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02-18-2013, 09:23 PM
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Connolly for Nabokov, Leafs eat $1.1 million to make the salaries even.

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02-18-2013, 09:25 PM
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I still like the idea of Clutterbuck for Okposo with some stuff added to either or both sides to even it out.

Would New York do something like this?

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02-18-2013, 09:32 PM
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Last year Moulson was actually one of your best defensive players, was on the ice for close to fewest goals.
This is one of those situations where the stats lie. He has never been good defensively. He is also about as non-contact as anyone I have ever seen.

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02-18-2013, 09:32 PM
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despite the fact that in the last four games his ice time is down, he is still an effective player. he is 3rd on the team with 6 goals and does something positive every game. his game has holes, of course, but i believe you are wrong to say that the isles wouldn't miss his presence. he play is far better than last season's, in my opinion.
That is fair too say, but it all depends on the return imo...

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02-18-2013, 09:34 PM
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I still like the idea of Clutterbuck for Okposo with some stuff added to either or both sides to even it out.

Would New York do something like this?
In a heartbeat. I just have to ask what is going on with Clutterbuck? I have seen your fans throw his name around quite a bit this season.

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02-18-2013, 09:37 PM
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So everyone who is available was a waiver wire pickup?

Maybe the Isles should try trading their proverbial top-5 pick for some established talent. They could get something good that way

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02-18-2013, 09:46 PM
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Frans Nielsen what's the price?

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02-18-2013, 09:50 PM
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Frans Nielsen what's the price?
A first rounder or strong prospect should do it

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02-18-2013, 09:52 PM
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In a heartbeat. I just have to ask what is going on with Clutterbuck? I have seen your fans throw his name around quite a bit this season.
He has had plenty of scoring opportunities, and just last night against Detroit he had two prime breakaway chances that he almost buried. He's been fine. Not hitting as much this season as in years' past, it's just that he is an RFA this season and we have a bunch of prospects ready to graduate to the big club. Some guys have to go, and he can bring back quite a bit of value.

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02-18-2013, 09:57 PM
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Frans Nielsen what's the price?
From leaf land, one of your better defenders...

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02-18-2013, 10:16 PM
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Pens have 1.5 trillion defensive prospects. Niskanen has been very good, but, in my mind, one of the top-4 has to go for Despres (who is a top-4 guy) and Niskanen is the... odd man out.

As far as why we'd want Okposo... is there some reason we shouldn't?

He's still young, RHS (desperately needed), physical guy, who can score.

What's the issue been with him?
to be honest, his issue could very well be his usual slow start. not playing during the lockout is looking like a problem for him.

anyway, i think that an okposo for niskanen deal has merit. others can feel free to tell me why i'm wrong.

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02-18-2013, 10:35 PM
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Last year Moulson was actually one of your best defensive players, was on the ice for close to fewest goals.
That has to be one of the worst justifications I have seen. Moulson led the Islanders in offensive zone starts last season at even strength - which by virtue also means he was last on the team in defensive zone starts - and was usually put up against other teams' checking lines. Gee, I wonder why he tended not to be on the ice for many goals against. Moulson is irrelevant at best defensively.

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02-18-2013, 11:14 PM
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Grabner shouldn't be traded. He and Nielsen are our defensive rocks at the forward position and Grabner adds a nice dynamic to our offense. I don't know why Isles fans are eager to trade him, he's a quality player. He produces from the 2nd line and is even a threat to score on the penalty kill. He's always pressuring the point on the PK, something his speed allows him to do, we shouldn't lose that.

Our problem is consistancy.

This is the way I look at it.....

O Keepers: Tavares, Moulson, Nielsen, Grabner, Ullstrom, Martin, Cizikas

D Keepers: Hamonic, Streit, Visnovsky, Macdonald, Carkner

G Keepers: None

I may have missed a player or 2. What we need to do to go on to the next level is somehow acquire (2) top six wingers. I believe Nielsen can be a fine 2nd line center. Give Strome a year in B-port, I think he is ready for the jump but I don't think it's necessary to throw him in a top six role of even expect him to perform that way his rookie year (next year).

As for our defense, I think we have a better core than most think. If we can resign Viz (I know, reaching for the stars) and Streit, we will have two top offensive threats. But if we have them patrolling our blue line, we need to have a 3rd pairing thats a borderline 2nd pairing.

Right now we need to upgrade talent, maybe do something along the lines of a nielsen + for ROR or Okposo + for a Horton type player.

Goaltending is major concern, free agent this offseason maybe?

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02-18-2013, 11:25 PM
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Seems pointless. Grabner is signed for 3 more years, and the odds are that a 2nd won't be as good as he is.
NYI: Bernier, Penner, King, Kozun
LA: Grabner, Visnovsky

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02-19-2013, 01:01 AM
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What do the Yotes need to give for Moulson?

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02-19-2013, 01:12 AM
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What would you want for Boyes?

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02-19-2013, 02:33 AM
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Kennedy + 2nd for Okposo?

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02-19-2013, 04:54 AM
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Green for Okposo + MacDonald?
I'd definitely do this from the Isles point of view. Never been a fan of MacDonald and would rather just move on from Okposo. To get any type of solid player back for Okposo would be good.

Islanders defense is an atrocity. The only one with a bright future on the big club right now is Hamonic. Green would give them a 27 year old top 4 offensive defenseman locked up for the next 2.5 years. Green is one of the best offensive defenseman in the league when healthy and the Isles badly need help on the blueline.

Okposo and MacDonald are not part of the solution going forward IMO and The Islanders absolutely need a young dynamic top 4 defenseman.

If you get Green, you'll then also have Hamonic and hopefully some of the guys like Donovan, De Haan, Mayfield and Reinhart pan out to be young building blocks.

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02-19-2013, 10:04 AM
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2nd or 3rd rounder for Boyes.

Also, Okposo is not physical.

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I also doubt Frans or Grabs go anywhere.

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02-19-2013, 11:44 AM
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There are only 4 players that need to go into this discussion: Streit, Visnovsky, Okposo, and Moulson. Nielsen is worth more to the Isles than he is to other teams. Bailey is near worthless. Boyes is, to my mind, completely worthless. Martin is part of the future. There's not much else to speak of.

I would stick to trading Visnovsky and Moulson. Visnovsky is the 2nd best player on the Isles, and if there were a playoff team he would agree to join, he could be worth a 2nd rounder or solid prospect. Moulson is, in my mind, a power play specialist, but he is a superior power-play specialist. Of course, the teams that could use him the most is the arch-rival Rangers.

All in all there's not a whole lot there to trade. Trading Okposo now is trading low. Same with Streit - I think it makes more sense to keep him in a diminished role moving forward.

The only way the Islanders move forward is by doing something dramatic. Without trading our #1 we can't get anyone of much impact. If that pick looks to be top-2 or even top-4, I don't see that happening. The chances of the pick being top-4 look pretty good.

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02-19-2013, 11:45 AM
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2nd or 3rd rounder for Boyes.

Also, Okposo is not physical.
Boyes might be worth a 5th rounder.

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02-19-2013, 12:32 PM
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MacDonald is a solid top4 guy on any team. Except for Hamonic, he doesn't have a lot of solid partners in their own zone. So he likely looks a lot worse then he is. Lubo and Streit are far better in the other end then their own and Hickey is a castaway that doesn't belong in the NHL. There's a bright future with guys like Reinhart and de Haan, though the latter needs to be healthy. Isles would be foolish to let MacDonald go as he and Hamonic are the only well rounded pair they've got.

I'd love to get my hands on Neno! Though it'd never happen.

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I also doubt Frans or Grabs go anywhere.
Seriously! Outside JT is there anyone more defining than those two? Boy did Tallon mess that one up.

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