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02-19-2013, 08:35 AM
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Jets need to snap this losing streak tonight. 6-3 Jets.
Hainsey gets a goal tonight. Its happening.
PP also gets one.

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02-19-2013, 08:37 AM
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Like the Jets in this one. Buffalo has some heated, big name rivalries and may be looking past the Jets - which will be fatal mistake.
Also the story of the coaches in this game is interesting. Both teams are on the brink of falling into the also-ran half of the playoff race - out of contention in reality. There are grass root rumblings about both coaches. Not inconceivable that a loss here for either team could even trigger a fire sale and seal the fate of the losing coach.

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Need a win in a big way to start this road trip.

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02-19-2013, 08:44 AM
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What's the deal with Winnipeg's PK? Small sample size .. juggling and/or bad personnel .. run into a buzz saw of a PP .. combo platter?

I ask because Buffalo's PP has been abysmal this month at a 2-for-34 clip. We struggle with zone entries and have been only so-so with our in-zone offense of late, as there has been a real lack of movement in our units, keeping the puck to the outside in the few times we do gain the zone. Also, our go-to entry is similar to this diagrammed drop and carry, where our puck carrier is frequently dispossessed in the NZ or it's defended well enough that we're forced to retrieve a dump-in that more often than not is iced quickly.

In sum, I want to know if you think Winnipeg's PK will be a remedy for Buffalo's PP woes .. or if you've seen enough improvement lately that you think you can defend that type of zone entry and Vanek's net front presence when we're in-zone?

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Like the Jets in this one. Buffalo has some heated, big name rivalries and may be looking past the Jets - which will be fatal mistake.
Also the story of the coaches in this game is interesting. Both teams are on the brink of falling into the also-ran half of the playoff race - out of contention in reality. There are grass root rumblings about both coaches. Not inconceivable that a loss here for either team could even trigger a fire sale and seal the fate of the losing coach.
Lindsay Ruff has been with Buffalo since 1997. Sabres are more than happy with him. He's not going anywhere.

Noel has a gimme thru at least the next season, so he's not going anywhere.

As far as the game, Jets win as long as they can keep Buffalo from scoring 3 goals.

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What's the deal with Winnipeg's PK?
It's BAD, as in B - A - D.

And you can see it in the players. As soon as they take a penalty, the player who gets called skates to the penalty box with his head down in shame because he knows he just cost the Jets a goal against. Seriously, how can you win a game where you absolutely know 1 out of every 3 penalties is going to result with the puck in your net.

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02-19-2013, 08:51 AM
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What's the deal with Winnipeg's PK? Small sample size .. juggling and/or bad personnel .. run into a buzz saw of a PP .. combo platter?

I ask because Buffalo's PP has been abysmal this month at a 2-for-34 clip. We struggle with zone entries and have been only so-so with our in-zone offense of late, as there has been a real lack of movement in our units, keeping the puck to the outside in the few times we do gain the zone. Also, our go-to entry is similar to this diagrammed drop and carry, where our puck carrier is frequently dispossessed in the NZ or it's defended well enough that we're forced to retrieve a dump-in that more often than not is iced quickly.

In sum, I want to know if you think Winnipeg's PK will be a remedy for Buffalo's PP woes .. or if you've seen enough improvement lately that you think you can defend that type of zone entry and Vanek's net front presence when we're in-zone?
Our PK is slightly less anemic than our PP. Our PP consists of getting the puck to the point and shooting. Clog up the neutral zone and you won't have a problem.

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02-19-2013, 09:18 AM
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i will be at this game tonight and the last jets game i attended in buffalo was when johnny "laserbeam" oduya won it for us in ot last january , so hoping to see another big win!

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02-19-2013, 09:30 AM
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Our PK is slightly less anemic than our PP. Our PP consists of getting the puck to the point and shooting. Clog up the neutral zone and you won't have a problem.
I'd actually say our PP consists of dumping the puck in. Fighting along the boards for awhile and then chasing the puck back into our own zone.

Rinse, repeat.

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02-19-2013, 09:31 AM
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What's the deal with Winnipeg's PK?
It has been a bit better of late but we are a team that is finding ways to lose just Dumb penalty's at the worst times... I think the team needs a Old Miller pep talk!!

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02-19-2013, 09:54 AM
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Lines/pairings subject to change.

Space reserved for game day updates.
Lines from Buffalo's morning skate:

26 Thomas Vanek ("A") - 19 Cody Hodgson - 29 Jason Pominville ("C")
82 Marcus Foligno - 63 Tyler Ennis - 36 Patrick Kaleta
9 Steve Ott - 55 Jochen Hecht - 42 Nathan Gerbe
32 John Scott - 8 Cody McCormick - 21 Drew Stafford ("A")
(25 Mikhail Grigorenko)

24 Robyn Regehr - 57 Tyler Myers
10 Christian Ehrhoff - 52 Alexander Sulzer
33 TJ Brennan - 6 Mike Weber
(3 Jordan Leopold - 44 Andrej Sekera*LBI*)

30 Ryan Miller
1 Jhonas Enroth

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High scoring one tonight, no defence on either end.

Jets 8-7 in OT.

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Lindsay Ruff has been with Buffalo since 1997. Sabres are more than happy with him. He's not going anywhere.

Noel has a gimme thru at least the next season, so he's not going anywhere.

As far as the game, Jets win as long as they can keep Buffalo from scoring 3 goals.
Not so sure about, Ruff. You may be right, but the a new owner may opt for a different style hockey. If I were in Buffalo , I think I would be tired of Buffalo style hockey.

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02-19-2013, 09:57 AM
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Buffalo-style hockey should have won the Cup if it wasnt for the infamous non-skate in the crease-call......NO GOAL HULL!!!!

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Not so sure about, Ruff. You may be right, but the a new owner may opt for a different style hockey. If I were in Buffalo , I think I would be tired of Buffalo style hockey.

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Excellent job, darksociety!

Looking forward to another hard working game - GAA has to change at some point, given the SA given up, and puck luck eventually has to change as well. Might as well be tonight, against another team that's struggling in a similar manner to the Jets.

Go Go!
agreed.

we play this game like we did the last three and we win, unless miller stands on his head.

I still don't understand the panic, the last three games we have played really good, they've just been against really good teams

We play like we did the last three games we'll win. I just hope they don't get away from it thinking it's not working. Underdogs are underdogs for a reason, you can't upset everytime.

If we lose this game then i'll start to get concerned. But with the way we played the last three, there is no reason for us to lose.

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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...191781241.html

i love the WFP article reader comments, they deserve a massive ""

however this 5-game roadtrip is huge; anything but a ~ 3-2 record or better, and we'll be too far back to make up the playoff gap with all the 3 point games within the conference (qualitative estimate, need ~22 more wins now?).

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"ALL right boys, if you go out there and out work your opposition, it does not matter if you have less talent you will still w ... oh wait, this is the NHL where if you need talent to win."

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Lindsay Ruff has been with Buffalo since 1997. Sabres are more than happy with him. He's not going anywhere.

Noel has a gimme thru at least the next season, so he's not going anywhere.

As far as the game, Jets win as long as they can keep Buffalo from scoring 3 goals.
Ruffs been on the hot seat for a couple of years now, as for Noel I really can't see him lasting to the end of next season. One thing for sure, Ruff will be in high demand........Noel, not so much.

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What's the deal with Winnipeg's PK? Small sample size .. juggling and/or bad personnel .. run into a buzz saw of a PP .. combo platter?

I ask because Buffalo's PP has been abysmal this month at a 2-for-34 clip. We struggle with zone entries and have been only so-so with our in-zone offense of late, as there has been a real lack of movement in our units, keeping the puck to the outside in the few times we do gain the zone. Also, our go-to entry is similar to this diagrammed drop and carry, where our puck carrier is frequently dispossessed in the NZ or it's defended well enough that we're forced to retrieve a dump-in that more often than not is iced quickly.

In sum, I want to know if you think Winnipeg's PK will be a remedy for Buffalo's PP woes .. or if you've seen enough improvement lately that you think you can defend that type of zone entry and Vanek's net front presence when we're in-zone?
Our PK was missing our best PK D man until the last two games Bogosian which hurt but our #1 issue has been Pavs save % which has been in the .700's during the PK........just brutal!! If Pavs continues his torrid PK save % pace we should be able to fix your PP issues (here to help)

Our PP has been uglier that on PK IMHO......probably the worst in the league if it wasn't for our crazy shooting % that has artificially bloated our stats.

5v5 we are actually a decent hockey team with sub standard goaltending.

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i will be at this game tonight and the last jets game i attended in buffalo was when johnny "laserbeam" oduya won it for us in ot last january , so hoping to see another big win!


Sigh, I miss "LaserBeam"

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Thanks to a combination of Louis Riel Day, nagging headache and rotten weather, I had a chance to rewatch a bunch of Jets games on GameCentre and not feel it was a total waste of time.

There's lots to like with this team at even strength. It might not get reflected in the stats and (more importantly) on the scoreboard, but more often than not, they seem to be doing the right things at 5 v 5. One guy who stood out to me on repeated viewings was Olli Jokinen. Say what you will about his lack of offensive production, but he's an insanely smart and hard-working player without the puck.

The biggest problem on the PP, aside from the fact it takes far too long to get the puck up ice, is that the Jets are really lacking players who can make penalty killers miss when they leave their box. They absolutely need guys who can keep opposing PKers honest, because teams are basically just playing aggressively as though it were even strength. EDIT: Wow, that sounds eerily similar to the Buffalo PP woes that Woodhouse just described.

Aside from some weak play in front of goal, the Jets penalty kill isn't nearly as bad as the numbers would indicate. Pavelec has to do a better job of tracking these shots from 30 feet and further. Many times he's been in position and just allows the shot to go through him.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. My biggest concern is that once the PP gets going and Pavelec starts playing decent, some other damned problem will start cropping up.

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Our PK was missing our best PK D man until the last two games Bogosian which hurt but our #1 issue has been Pavs save % which has been in the .700's during the PK........just brutal!! If Pavs continues his torrid PK save % pace we should be able to fix your PP issues (here to help)

Our PP has been uglier that on PK IMHO......probably the worst in the league if it wasn't for our crazy shooting % that has artificially bloated our stats.

5v5 we are actually a decent hockey team with sub standard goaltending.
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Our PK was missing our best PK D man until the last two games Bogosian which hurt but our #1 issue has been Pavs save % which has been in the .700's during the PK........just brutal!! If Pavs continues his torrid PK save % pace we should be able to fix your PP issues (here to help)

Our PP has been uglier that on PK IMHO......probably the worst in the league if it wasn't for our crazy shooting % that has artificially bloated our stats.

5v5 we are actually a decent hockey team with sub standard goaltending.
Yeah - 5v5 we're looking pretty good, getting quality chances.

But our special teams in general are atrocious. Which coach is in charge of special teams anyways?

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02-19-2013, 11:22 AM
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Woop woop
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very good stats guys who follow the Jets that lay it all out for us

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Yeah - 5v5 we're looking pretty good, getting quality chances.

But our special teams in general are atrocious. Which coach is in charge of special teams anyways?
One newly acquired Perry Pearn and I believe Pascal Vincent.

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