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02-19-2013, 12:06 PM
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People are forgetting that Bozak is worth more to the Leafs than what he's worth on the market or in any trade... Team chemistry and playing well defensively is key on the Leafs team and may not be worth anything on HF... but is definitely worth something in RL... real life.

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02-19-2013, 12:22 PM
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no he meant

Sam Gagner + 2013 1st/2013 3rd/2015 2nd
Why did you leave Gagner in?

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02-19-2013, 12:26 PM
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Jake Gardiner has concussion issues and Bozak is UFA this year, Oilers pass.

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02-19-2013, 12:45 PM
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Bozak=<Gagner
Gardiner>>2nd round

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02-19-2013, 12:49 PM
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No. We don't improve at all in Center depth and lose one of our best young D-men in the process for a second rounder. Doesn't make any sense for Toronto.

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02-19-2013, 01:29 PM
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Can anyone explain to me why Bozak is supposedly significantly worse than Gagner?

Gagner has put up 41-49 points in each of his first five full years in the league. Bozak apears to be settling in at a scoring pace of roughly the same ~45 points a season (career average of .55 PPG). Sure, Gagner is off to a better pace this year, but he has five previous years of trending in the same range. Bozak plays a much better defensive game, has slightly more size, and is infinitely better at face offs (57% vs 41%)

Maybe you would give a slight value bonus to Gagner in a trade because of age, potential, and contract control, but when it came to a player on your team RIGHT NOW, Bozak is better.

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02-19-2013, 01:36 PM
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To Oilers: Jake Gardiner & Tyler Bozak

To Leafs: Sam Gagne & 2013 2nd round pick


A poster with three posts, creating a thread where the Leafs get totally fleeced in a trade? Close thread.

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02-19-2013, 01:40 PM
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Why did you leave Gagner in?

oilers needed to clear money

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02-19-2013, 02:04 PM
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Not saying the Leafs would do this deal but Bozak has more trade value than Gagner? Only on HF is that true

Gagner's a far superior offensive player with more offensive upside. Maybe Bozak has the edge on the dot and defensively but I'll take the offense any day over the HF intangibles.

The ultimate dealbreaker is that the Oilers have Gagner's rights after the year while Bozak is a UFA. Gagner has more trade value than Bozak and it's not really close although the difference between Gardiner and a 2nd is even more significant.
far superior? gagner hasn't scored more than 50 points a season in the NHL and bozak's numbers are almost identical. care to explain how gagner is far superior offensively? because the numbers certainly don't support your claim.

winning faceoffs and playing big minutes on the PK of a team top 10 in GA isn't "HF intangibles". infact, those stats are quite tangible. maybe you should look up what that word actually means.

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02-19-2013, 02:17 PM
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far superior? gagner hasn't scored more than 50 points a season in the NHL and bozak's numbers are almost identical. care to explain how gagner is far superior offensively? because the numbers certainly don't support your claim.

winning faceoffs and playing big minutes on the PK of a team top 10 in GA isn't "HF intangibles". infact, those stats are quite tangible. maybe you should look up what that word actually means.
22) Gagner 14 gp, 4 g, 11a, 15 points

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90) Bozak 16 gp, 5g, 5a, 10 points.

I also think its funny people think gagner is soft. Proves they never watch him play ever. Kid has most fight out of all Edmonton forwards. Always battles for the puck, goes to the hard areas.

Its also funny you mention it, because Emonton's PK is currently fourth in the league at 87.3%, whereas the leafs currently sit at 17th in the league with 81.1% killed. The Oilers have taken twenty more penalties than the Leafs, and have also had less goals scored against on the PK.

According to your own admission, does that not mean Gagner is better defensively than Bozak?

Sam Gagner, aside from maybe Dubnyk, has been the Oilers best player this season.

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02-19-2013, 02:19 PM
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Leafs get hosed in my opinion.

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02-19-2013, 02:24 PM
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Alright, the original proposal is definitely in favour of the Oilers. The Leafs say no.

However, Gagner > Bozak. The difference in offense more than compensates for the perceived difference in defensive ability.
Bozak better in faceoffs,better defence. He is producing .56 points per game in his career. Gagner .62 per game,don,t see big difference here.Both 2c guys.

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02-19-2013, 02:27 PM
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No. We don't improve at all in Center depth and lose one of our best young D-men in the process for a second rounder. Doesn't make any sense for Toronto.
Gards for a 2nd rounder!OMG

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Bozak better in faceoffs,better defence. He is producing .56 points per game in his career. Gagner .62 per game,don,t see big difference here.Both 2c guys.
Except for the part where Bozak is 26, turning 27 in a month and Sam Gagner literally just turned 23 a month ago.



Bozak also has a higher cap hit, and is a UFA in the summer, whereas Gagner is only an RFA.

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02-19-2013, 02:54 PM
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Meh, bozak would put up the same #s as Gagner If he was playing in the Oil top6.

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02-19-2013, 03:02 PM
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Meh, bozak would put up the same #s as Gagner If he was playing in the Oil top6.
Really?

Bozak would be leading the Edmonton Oilers in scoring? Bozak would make Hall look like our best player, then when that line is broken up would make Hemsky look like our best player?

Give me a break. Gagner is better offensively, he goes to the hard areas more, he hits more, he fights more. Gagner is younger, faster, and bigger than Bozak. Gagner is also under team control longer than Bozak, AND has played more games in the NHL.

Gagner has been the better player his whole life, and is four years younger.

The Anti-Gagner stigma has to stop, Gagner is better, and will continue to. In terms of value, Gagner and Bozak shouldn't be close in any sane persons mind.

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02-19-2013, 03:06 PM
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Make the Oil's pick a 1st and the Leafs at least consider it.

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02-19-2013, 03:22 PM
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Give me a break. Gagner is better offensively, he goes to the hard areas more, he hits more, he fights more. Gagner is younger, faster, and bigger than Bozak


You can't be serious

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02-19-2013, 03:31 PM
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To Oilers: Jake Gardiner & Tyler Bozak

To Leafs: Sam Gagne & 2013 2nd round pick


i love the 2nd round pick........

if oilers want any of: gardiner, rielly, kadri they will have to give up atleast one of: hall, nugent-hopkins, eberle, yakupov.

sorry to burst your bubble but not even close.

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Make the Oil's pick a 1st and the Leafs at least consider it.
no they dont.

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Jake Gardiner has concussion issues and Bozak is UFA this year, Oilers pass.
if oilers pass there GM should be fired, serious.

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02-19-2013, 03:33 PM
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How many fights has Bozak had in his career?

Did he fight dudes much bigger than him, like Sam?

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02-19-2013, 03:56 PM
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Sam Gagner, 23, clearly superior today, by PPG across career, and by pedigree. RFA. Projection: Doug Gilmour (this was legitimately the closest comparison by-the-numbers in a few blog article analyses (*e.g.: Lowetide), although Gagner is due for a big point uptick at this stage of his career to keep pace. Maybe we're seeing it?)

Tyler Bozak, 26, quality college player who can play the NHL game. UFA. Projection: Marty Reasoner

I won't defend the OP's deal, though, except to say that a 2nd in this years draft may have marginally more value than average while Gardiner is having a nice time in the AHL. I may seem to be exhibiting a bias, but then again, the players and assets involved make it exceedingly easy to do so. While most Oilers fans are enticed by the narrative of a Gardiner/Schultz reunion, I would certainly prefer not to see this deal occur.


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How many fights has Bozak had in his career?

Did he fight dudes much bigger than him, like Sam?
What does that have to do with the price of tea? Center's are now measured on their ability to fight?

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Really?

Bozak would be leading the Edmonton Oilers in scoring? Bozak would make Hall look like our best player, then when that line is broken up would make Hemsky look like our best player?

Give me a break. Gagner is better offensively, he goes to the hard areas more, he hits more, he fights more. Gagner is younger, faster, and bigger than Bozak. Gagner is also under team control longer than Bozak, AND has played more games in the NHL.

Gagner has been the better player his whole life, and is four years younger.

The Anti-Gagner stigma has to stop, Gagner is better, and will continue to. In terms of value, Gagner and Bozak shouldn't be close in any sane persons mind.
Gagner puts up better offensive #'s- and that's it.

Gagner plays more physical? Is bigger? Hits more? Where do you get this stuff?

Bozak is 6'1 dude. Gagner 5'10-5-11, depending where you look. Bozak had 117 hits last season. Sam Gagner had 21. The season is young, but Bozak is outhitting him by more than 2:1 ratio already. More blocked shots than Gagner, more takeaways than Gagner, one of the top dudes in the faceoff circle this year compared to craptastic Gagner... like, WTF dude? lol

And yes, Bozak would have better offensive #'s if he played inside a top 6 including names like Eberle, Hall, Hemsky, Yakupov.


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