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02-19-2013, 11:25 AM
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The game was won and lost in the FO dot. Same old story with this club, feaster is failing this organization. Just check the stats, how can this team even hope to compete when your best natural centre is Matt Stajan. I just don't get it, our management is ****ing blind.

Taylor was solid for his first start. Let in one really weak goal short side. I love hartley's coaching style, but it completely hinges on puck possession. How is that possible with the worst centre depth in the league. I sure hope iggy and kipper are traded come deadline.

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The game was won and lost in the FO dot. Same old story with this club, feaster is failing this organization. Just check the stats, how can this team even hope to compete when your best natural centre is Matt Stajan. I just don't get it, our management is ****ing blind.

Taylor was solid for his first start. Let in one really weak goal short side. I love hartley's coaching style, but it completely hinges on puck possession. How is that possible with the worst centre depth in the league. I sure hope iggy and kipper are traded come deadline.
Yeah. We should trade Baertschi and Gaudreau for a C.

Seriously. What did you expect?

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The game was won and lost in the FO dot. Same old story with this club, feaster is failing this organization. Just check the stats, how can this team even hope to compete when your best natural centre is Matt Stajan. I just don't get it, our management is ****ing blind.

Taylor was solid for his first start. Let in one really weak goal short side. I love hartley's coaching style, but it completely hinges on puck possession. How is that possible with the worst centre depth in the league. I sure hope iggy and kipper are traded come deadline.
I'm really beginning to think it's our ownership group/Ken King. Feaster is a very intelligent man; same with Weisbrod. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a few ideas of their own that haven't been accepted/approved because ownership said no. This team needs a new direction, identity, and player personel.

It just doesn't make much sense. It's already looking like 4yrs and counting.
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02-19-2013, 12:02 PM
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The game was won and lost in the FO dot. Same old story with this club, feaster is failing this organization. Just check the stats, how can this team even hope to compete when your best natural centre is Matt Stajan. I just don't get it, our management is ****ing blind.

Taylor was solid for his first start. Let in one really weak goal short side. I love hartley's coaching style, but it completely hinges on puck possession. How is that possible with the worst centre depth in the league. I sure hope iggy and kipper are traded come deadline.
This is exactly it. This team is hurting even worse on the dot with Jones in the minors now, and no Backlund.

This team is in dire need of someone who can win F/O.

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The game was won and lost in the FO dot. Same old story with this club, feaster is failing this organization. Just check the stats, how can this team even hope to compete when your best natural centre is Matt Stajan. I just don't get it, our management is ****ing blind.

Taylor was solid for his first start. Let in one really weak goal short side. I love hartley's coaching style, but it completely hinges on puck possession. How is that possible with the worst centre depth in the league. I sure hope iggy and kipper are traded come deadline.
-Taylor let in 2 weak ones, but I'd like to see him play 1 more game to see what he can do. But right now Irving seems like the best choice until Kipper comes back.
-I remember our centers being thrown out of the circle quite a bit last game, leaving wingers to take the faceoffs. I do remember in the third period Stajan was told to leave and he had is arm up in a "Why?!" expression until Glencross nudged him out of the way.

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02-19-2013, 12:16 PM
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The game was won and lost in the FO dot. Same old story with this club, feaster is failing this organization. Just check the stats, how can this team even hope to compete when your best natural centre is Matt Stajan. I just don't get it, our management is ****ing blind.

Taylor was solid for his first start. Let in one really weak goal short side. I love hartley's coaching style, but it completely hinges on puck possession. How is that possible with the worst centre depth in the league. I sure hope iggy and kipper are traded come deadline.
You're absolutely right, when TSN predicted us to finish 14th the reasoning behind it was because we have a giant hole at the center position. We're obviously not a 14th place team (with a healthy line-up) but clearly we are not a playoff team either with the centers we have. I can't blame Feaster however as he has tried to improve this in the past (he went after Richards, and was hoping Cervenka could've been the solution). However, it didn't really work out. And im 95% sure that its not Feaster's idea to try and stay competitive and make the playoffs but actually the ownership. I hope Mr. Edwards realizes that 4 years is enough and finally tells Feaster to get a real rebuild going.

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02-19-2013, 12:31 PM
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It is what it is with this team. I have come to a realization with this team that I can't get emotional with every loss or win. But on the other note goalies are not made over one game performance. As a team and management you have to be willing to give it a shot for 8 to 10 games before coming to a conclussion. Taylor's first game in the nhl and fans here are already harping on his performance. Its not like he walked in the room full of stanley cup defenders. Taylor is playing for a team that has minimal direction to what it's future is. So if we want a franchise goalie then we have to have faith and let the guy play a few before we start critisizing his play. I mean if Sven doesnt score five games in a row is he a bust then. All these young and new players/goalies need time to come into there own and start performing. If there is no improvement on a consistent level then you take a decission on how to handle the situation. As for the team itself, If ownership still does not realise that its needs a change then maybe as fans we can do something to make them realise it.

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02-19-2013, 12:50 PM
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I'm really beginning to think it's our ownership group/Ken King. Feaster is a very intelligent man; same with Weisbrod. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a few ideas of their own that haven't been accepted/approved because ownership said no. This team needs a new direction, identity, and player personel.

It just doesn't make much sense. It's already looking like 4yrs and counting.
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I agree it probably is the ownership, not feaster for the most part. But he could have at least tried for an older FA, or pending FA. Whoever it is, I'm sick of it. This organization is being poorly accessed and has coasted along for a number of years now. I'd trade a lot of our top guys including kipper, iggy, cammy, and in return target a couple young big bodied centres, a big mean dman, or at least some solid picks In a good draft.

This team is so soft, and not nearly big and strong enough up the middle. I actually like our d core for the most part, except our bottom pair. We have some strong young goalies to compete for top spot, and regardless kipper is done soon. It's time to move on.

I do like some of our young prospects. If this management team pulled the right trades we could be back on track sooner rather than later

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It is what it is with this team. I have come to a realization with this team that I can't get emotional with every loss or win. But on the other note goalies are not made over one game performance. As a team and management you have to be willing to give it a shot for 8 to 10 games before coming to a conclussion. Taylor's first game in the nhl and fans here are already harping on his performance. Its not like he walked in the room full of stanley cup defenders. Taylor is playing for a team that has minimal direction to what it's future is. So if we want a franchise goalie then we have to have faith and let the guy play a few before we start critisizing his play. I mean if Sven doesnt score five games in a row is he a bust then. All these young and new players/goalies need time to come into there own and start performing. If there is no improvement on a consistent level then you take a decission on how to handle the situation. As for the team itself, If ownership still does not realise that its needs a change then maybe as fans we can do something to make them realise it.
Tayler had a solid game. 1-2 bad goals, but he played confident and aggressive, making some great saves. I really like our goalie situation having Taylor, Irving, and hopefully ramo going forward.

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02-19-2013, 12:56 PM
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easier said than done but we need centers that can win draws and play. Biggest flaw of this team is that we can't get the f***ing puck to start the possession. We have so many wingers that Feaster should at least explore the options.

Lars Eller is very underrated and deserves more ice time than he's getting in Montreal. He has good size, wins draws and board battles, plus cycles pretty well. He won't be as pricey as ROR but has the potential to be just as good.

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easier said than done but we need centers that can win draws and play. Biggest flaw of this team is that we can't get the f***ing puck to start the possession. We have so many wingers that Feaster should at least explore the options.

Lars Eller is very underrated and deserves more ice time than he's getting in Montreal. He wins draws and board battles plus cycles pretty well. He won't be as pricey as ROR
When healthy he is stuck behind Stajan and Backlund.

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When healthy he is stuck behind Stajan and Backlund.
Stajan would be a 2b center. Eller needs icetime

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Stajan would be a 2b center. Eller needs icetime
Eller is not better then Backlund and right now I think Stajan is better then Eller the only trade I would do is a mid pick + Stajan.

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The problem is Eller is a very similar player to Backlund and having them both would be pretty redundant. What we need is someone who can step in on the 1st line, pretty much we need a Jokinen who can win F/O.

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The problem is Eller is a very similar player to Backlund and having them both would be pretty redundant. What we need is someone who can step in on the 1st line, pretty much we need a Jokinen who can win F/O.
This year Stajan>Jokinen

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The problem is Eller is a very similar player to Backlund and having them both would be pretty redundant. What we need is someone who can step in on the 1st line, pretty much we need a Jokinen who can win F/O.
Eller got 16 goals last year with little to no PP time. Backlund hasn't proved anything albeit Butter.
You don't really trade for a #1 center. You either draft them/develop them yourself or you sign one in FA. There won't be many #1's available for trade plus we probably don't have the assets.

Meanwhile Eller is a big center (6'2") signed to a cap-friendly contract throughout next year that can win faceoffs and play. He cycles pretty well and can control the play in the offensive zone and defend in his own. Perfect player for Hartley

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The problem is Eller is a very similar player to Backlund and having them both would be pretty redundant. What we need is someone who can step in on the 1st line, pretty much we need a Jokinen who can win F/O.
I don't think so, they both are skilled but I think Eller plays a more grind it out along the boards using his big body type. Either way it wouldn't hurt this team to have both of them.

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Eller got 16 goals last year with little to no PP time. Backlund hasn't proved anything albeit Butter.
You don't really trade for a #1 center. You either draft them/develop them yourself or you sign one in FA. There won't be many #1's available for trade plus we probably don't have the assets.

Meanwhile Eller is a big center (6'2") signed to a cap-friendly contract throughout next year that can win faceoffs and play. He cycles pretty well and can control the play in the offensive zone and defend in his own. Perfect player for Hartley
Eller is a perfect example of what we need, we have the offense on the wings. We need a centre who can control the puck down low and win ****ing FOs!

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I don't think so, they both are skilled but I think Eller plays a more grind it out along the boards using his big body type. Either way it wouldn't hurt this team to have both of them.
Shouldve been more clear, similar in terms of the roster position they would be competing for, maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing.

I would not complain if we traded for him but I also dont think hes the solution.

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We desperately need a #1 center. Either through trade or through the draft.

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Eller is a perfect example of what we need, we have the offense on the wings. We need a centre who can control the puck down low and win ****ing FOs!
Yeah, it seems games that Calgary's dominated in the FO circle, they're also dominated on the score board. You'd think this problem would have been addressed. But I think going into camp people thought:
Backlund, Stajan and Begin would have enough juice on the dot to be able to win a few, to counter the poor numbers Calgary always seems to have on the top line (for the past 5+ years).

Horak got dominated last night, and Begin, although every previous year he's been good for a solid 50+%, is down to under 30 I believe.

I'm really unsure about Calgary. One night you get this team, that doesn't give up, plays hard, the next game you get a dud. Jarome is pretty useless currently, and for a team that still thinks of him as a top liner, he's really not shown it. Cammy's finding his groove, and I like the Glencross - Stajan - Stemp line this year, I think the play of those three really compliments.
It really sucks that Backlund went down, because I truly believe that Cervenka - Backlund - Hudler would have been pretty dominate with the puck, Horak's done okay; but I think Backlund gives you a little bump in skill.

Can anyone say that if Calgary traded Jarome at the start of this year, this team would be any different in the standings?

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We desperately need a #1 center. Either through trade or through the draft.
Remember, we got one last draft, it'll just take half a decade before we get him.

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Remember, we got one last draft, it'll just take half a decade before we get him.
Yeah but by then he'll be the best player from the draft. Right?

Right?

...Guys?

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Yeah but by then he'll be the best player from the draft. Right?

Right?

...Guys?
Of course.
Epic pick; remember, I think it was said by one of the greatest hockey minds in the game... what's his name again?

It's not like there was a more talented center that Calgary could have drafted with an earlier pick. Right?

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Although, I know, I'm being a dick and just being sarcastic; what I'm really trying to point out is Calgary has little to no ability to draft.

The problem with Calgary's missing top line center will probably be there... for a long time.

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