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02-19-2013, 01:01 PM
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Also didn't Boston have an average of something like 35 shots a game against them in the playoffs on route to their Stanley Cup?
This I found to be alarming at first but it makes sense. When your leading you have a mentality where you neeed to protect scoring chances not shots.

That is the best way to gauge a defense ability to limit scoring chances.

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Interestingly, I can't find a source online that tracks & publishes scoring chances data. Hopefully someone else has a link?
I looked for that stat as well somewhat recently but couldn't find it anywhere either.

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Tip of the day. Number of shots isn`t as important as the quality of shots.
And this is just it, we arent giving up gold, just scrap shots our tenders can see for the most part. With Wilson well, lol

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The goals allowed differential between this year and last year after 16 games is a remarkable 17!

Carlyle has the Leafs averaging just over one goal less per game than Wilson did with virtually the same players at his disposal. Remarkable.

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The goals allowed differential between this year and last year after 16 games is a remarkable 17!

Carlyle has the Leafs averaging just over one goal less per game than Wilson did with virtually the same players at his disposal. Remarkable.
Because Wilson sucked a lot more then tne team, always said it, will never beieve otherwise

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When your goalie is consistently your best player, usually you win..

Great to see Nonis build from the net out.

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"The best offense is a strong defense" and Leafs new focus on defensive has addressed the usually negative goal differential that the team has had making it more effective in the process at both ends of the ice.

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Leafs could be tied in points for 1st in the east after tonight. A Leafs win could open a 9 point gap on Buffalo 7 point gap on TB as well as ensure we'd at least maintain a 3 point gap on NYR.

big 2 points tonight

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"The best offense is a strong defense" and Leafs new focus on defensive has addressed the usually negative goal differential that the team has had making it more effective in the process at both ends of the ice.
People always flip that saying around for some reason. Its so much more complex then that. Though I believe greater D adds in other ways which assist wins ie. Momentum. Having to win 5-4 is usually a rollercoaster compared to the concentrated efforts of say 2-1 win, youre always in it with Carlyle, with Wilson when you were out you were out as in blownout

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Leafs could be tied in points for 1st in the east after tonight. A Leafs win could open a 9 point gap on Buffalo 7 point gap on TB as well as ensure we'd at least maintain a 3 point gap on NYR.

big 2 points tonight
Agreed, it's going to be a hard game to win after playing last night but it's quite the important game considering the standings.

Big test tonight for the Leafs offensive and defensive depth.

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More shots + fewer quality shots = better stats * confidence = win

The boys are buying into the system and it's working. Forget about the shot totals.

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Any high ranking in D is not due to the defence but the goaltending.

40 shots (against) on goal every game doesn't indicate good defence. Are they outshot every game? It sure seems like it.

If there was a ranking for most overrated team, they'd probably be #1 at that.
Shots on goal is a very deceiving stat it does not tell you how many quality chances were given up. I mean 40 shots from the outside is not bad at all.

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Shots for/against is more or less useless. Maybe more-so even than plus-minus.

A good defense will allow shots on net. They just force them further back near the blue-line, which we have done, and then are first on the rebound (if there even is one), which we have done. Also, when you are winning, which we have been for the majority of our minutes this season, you tend to close up and not go for the offense as much. You would rather shoot it in than shoot. And the opposition does the opposite.

Yes, our goal-tending has been great, but that is not why we are winning games. That is why we are not losing games. Very important difference.

Seeing people gush over average/above-average goaltending like it is elite just shows how terrible our goaltending has been over the past years, except for Reimer's half-season a couple years ago.

This is what an NHL goalie is supposed to do.

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Any high ranking in D is not due to the defence but the goaltending.

40 shots (against) on goal every game doesn't indicate good defence. Are they outshot every game? It sure seems like it.

If there was a ranking for most overrated team, they'd probably be #1 at that.
lmao,

theres a difference between 37 shots of odd man rushes then 37 point shots through bodies collapsing through the net.

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"You come in thinking we've got two young goalies and yada, yada and then something else happens," MacArthur said. "Now they're playing well and it's like 'Oh this is the right move'... It's great to see it paying off for those guys." MacArthur spoke revealingly about the effect stability in goal has had on the group, noting that individual mistakes are now being erased by the goaltenders, "you kind of brush them off [and say] 'Oh I guess that wasn't a big mistake'. That's what a goalie does for you." He continued with interesting insight into the woes of Toronto goaltending in recent years. "In years past sometimes maybe you make the big mistake and it goes in and then it's like 'Oh my God'," he recalled. "[Now they] make a big save, and you can kind of shrug it off and keep going and that's what's happening."

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This I found to be alarming at first but it makes sense. When your leading you have a mentality where you neeed to protect scoring chances not shots.

That is the best way to gauge a defense ability to limit scoring chances.
Just to add to discussion. It's hard to measure scoring chances. That is why it's unofficial stat in NHL. But looking at Leafs season so far and using official stats and some observations, I think Leafs record reflects their strength.

Here is short overview:
- They have managed 26.6 SF per 60 min and 32.0 SA per 60 mins 5x5. That could be somewhat concerning, but Leafs hit a lot of posts and crossbars in their games, which don't count in SF column.
Even last night they hit 3 or 4 posts. One game Phil alone hit like 4-5 posts.
- It seems like Leafs usually have a lot of prime positions chances, keeping opposition to outside. Even last night I saw our D forcing panters even in good positions (close range) to the bad angle backend shots. Should this continue, we have good chance of winning.
- Leafs have .938 save%, which is quite high and could be concerning to some fans. However, they have somewhat low .899 shooting%. Those 2 should eventually offset each other, or even better - Leafs start to bury more chances (see Grabo and Kessel's 3 goals)

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