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Overachieving, The Real Deal or Easy Schedule?

View Poll Results: How would you explain the recent success?
Over-Achieving 41 19.16%
Easy Schedule 28 13.08%
The Real Deal 55 25.70%
All of the Above 90 42.06%
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02-20-2013, 09:24 AM
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Overachieving, The Real Deal or Easy Schedule?

Thread title sums up the this thread. Is the team really this good, are they just peaking at the moment or is the easy schedule really the reason why they have a good record?

I hate polls, but I added one anyway.

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02-20-2013, 09:29 AM
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Should of been a multi selection poll.

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Well according to lots of people from other fanbases, all of the above but the real deal

Let's look at it this way: new management, new coaching staff a few new players including two young rookies... It can only get better on my opinion, so I'll go with 'real deal'. The new system will probably get more assimilated by the players over time. Oh, and I love MT.

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We still haven't faced adversity. We've faced good teams but they pretty much beat themselves - Philly, Jersey, the Rags and the Sens. We haven't had our matchups exploited on the road so much either.

I'll take it but the team has a way to go before it's firing on all cylinders - the PP needs to wake up and 3 players of our top6 need to get their heads out of their read-ends.

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I would say all of them.

I think we should be around 5th-8th place, but an easy schedule and a hot streak has taken us all the way up to the 1st place.

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02-20-2013, 09:34 AM
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They're outplaying the opposition. There hasnt been that many "too close to call" games this season, most of their wins were clear-cut wins. I dont think they're over-achieving or at the very least, i dont see the signs of it. Easy schedule might have something to do with it but even then, MTL isnt the only team with an easy schedule...

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All of the above plus injuries are hurting most of the teams we are playing (Nash last night, Skinner - Carolina , etc.)

But God, I love how this team is playing. We are so much better and deeper than the previous several years .

And lots of upside yet such as get Cole going .

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Could the same be said for any team in the top 8 in the east?

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02-20-2013, 09:39 AM
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There you go. Added all of the above option.

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02-20-2013, 09:44 AM
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The real test is to play agains a Western team.. one of the Top 8 not Calgary..

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02-20-2013, 09:45 AM
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I'd say it's timely scoring that we normally wouldn't expect.

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Important factor

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The real test is to play agains a Western team.
I hope we get to experience that this season

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I'd be saying they are overachieving, but then you look at things and you realize that some key players are actually underachieving (Gionta, Cole, Desharnais, even Pacioretty with a low S% of 5,6) while no one's playing over his head (except maybe Pleky with 8 goals in 16 games).

But I still have doubts. I was expecting them to be a playoff team, but not 1st in the east.

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We still haven't faced adversity.
I disagree. We haven't had to deal with major key injuries. But our two best scorers from last year have a combined 4 goals. DD is scoring at a pace that sets him up to have 20pts less than last year.
We've given up some leads, and still came back. In the same sense, we lost some.

The only thing we haven't faced are major injuries to key players, but with the luck we've had these past few years, we should be happy about that not question the team.

In any event, we are overachievers. No way we should be first in the East.
Doesn't mean we should be at the bottom or just average.
It's always been argued that if this team stayed healthy, it would be a better one than most expect. We don't play in the west and the general belief is always that the west is stronger, but even last year despite our horrible performance we were .500 in the West.
Our biggest test will start next week until April where we'll be playing 11 of 16games on the road.


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it's so hard to gauge without playing western conference

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I disagree. We haven't had to deal with major key injuries. But our two best scorers from last year have a combined 4 goals. Our leading scorer last year is scoring at a pace that sets him up to have 20pts less than last year.
We've given up some leads, and still came back. In the same sense, we lost some.

The only thing we haven't faced are major injuries to key players, but with the luck we've had these past few years, we should be happy about that not question the team.

In any event, we are overachievers. No way we should be first in the East.
Doesn't mean we should be at the bottom or just average.
It's always been argued that if this team stayed healthy, it would be a better one than most expect.
He's playing at least 34 less games.

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Don't overestimate other teams. Who exactly are all the powerhouse teams the Habs have been avoiding?

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Good teams beat the teams they're supposed to beat and half of the teams they could beat. That's what we've done so far. We've beat NJ, Rangers, Tampa, Philly all teams that were expected to do well this year. I'd try to find more names of better teams but it seems we're sitting on top of the conference

If not for Toronto, we'd be 11-2-1!

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all our losses are against NE division.
VS ATL || VS NE || VS SE
3-0-0 || 2-4-1 ||6-0-0

easy schedule nah.
We have a good coach, fast players, executing the game plan.

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over-achieving for sure. the habs are finding ways to win. Easy schedule is a lame comment, winning is winning and not an 'easy' thing to do.

Last year, we would have blown a couple more of the leads and be around 7-8 right now. habs keep pulling off wins, where last year, the habs would have found a way to lose.

honestly, the biggest difference is the team d. they're tough to play against, and all the 'new' players in the habs line-up are bigtime overachieving. prust, galchenyuk and gallagher.

again, this d is blowing my mind. teams are getting, maybe, 5 chances a game even strength. if they stay out of the box, the habs will just get better and better when a couple forwards pick it up.

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He's playing at least 34 less games.
I'm talking about his scoring pace, not actual points.
Right now he's set to finish with 24pts, because it's a shortened season. Over 82 games, his pace would project him to finish with 41pts, 19pts short compared to last season.

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Last year we heavily underachieved, this year we are overachieving. I prefer this over two season of avergeness.

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I disagree. We haven't had to deal with major key injuries. But our two best scorers from last year have a combined 4 goals. Our leading scorer last year is scoring at a pace that sets him up to have 20pts less than last year.
We've given up some leads, and still came back. In the same sense, we lost some.

The only thing we haven't faced are major injuries to key players, but with the luck we've had these past few years, we should be happy about that not question the team.

In any event, we are overachievers. No way we should be first in the East.
Doesn't mean we should be at the bottom or just average.
It's always been argued that if this team stayed healthy, it would be a better one than most expect. We don't play in the west and the general belief is always that the west is stronger, but even last year despite our horrible performance we were .500 in the West.
Our biggest test will start next week until April where we'll be playing 11 of 16games on the road.
Pacioretty
this season 12 gp 11pts pace 75pts in 82 games
last season 79gp 65pts pace 67 pts in 82 games

Max Pacioretty MTL L 12 2 9 11
Max Pacioretty MTL L 79 33 32 65

EDIT. just saw your message above. He still got 9 assists, which means he contributed to the goal

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It depends on what you mean by "the real deal". I don't particularly think we are 1st place in the east material, but I think we're solidly in the four to six range and in a short season with a hot goalie that can be a first in the east or even a first in the league type thing. We have benefited from an easy schedule and a bit of injury luck (but then again this season we have had Subban, Gallagher, Pacioretty and Price all miss games due to health/contract problems).

People forget that last season we lost a significant amount of man-games (and important games like Markov and Gionta) due to injuries and had decreased performances from others for the same reason. Compound that with the management and coaching issues and the media spotlight Montreal is known for an you have a recipe for disaster. This season we are pretty healthy and we've added significant talent replacing Gomez with Galchenyuk, replacing Andrei Kostitsyn with Gallagher, Blunden/Staubitz with Prust and Darche with Armstrong.

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