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You can have Clowe and Demers...What'll you give me?

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02-19-2013, 05:11 PM
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Why are Sharks fans so eager to give up Clowe??

I assume he is a UFA not planning to re-sign?
Or what, he seems a pretty useful player to me over the last 2-3 years.

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02-20-2013, 09:50 AM
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What are you talking about??? Murray had been our worst Dman AINEC. Demers has been pretty good when he has played but Tmac never plays him anymore.
Demers has been awful. But I wouldn't mind shipping Murray off as well.

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02-20-2013, 10:25 AM
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Demers has been awful. But I wouldn't mind shipping Murray off as well.
Demers has been far from awful. Murray has been awful.

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02-20-2013, 10:33 AM
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Demers has been good...people are ******** on this site thinking Demers has been bad, watch we trade him and then he comes in his own...Braun and Murray have been bad

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not sure if been suggested but

Kulemin, Liles (Leafs retain 35%) for Clowe, Murray, Hertl


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02-20-2013, 10:54 AM
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not sure if been suggested but

Kulemin, Liles (Leafs retain 35%) for Clowe, Murray, Hertl
Yeah, the Sharks should totally move their only good prospect for ****ing John-Michael Liles.

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02-20-2013, 11:07 AM
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not sure if been suggested but

Kulemin, Liles (Leafs retain 35%) for Clowe, Murray, Hertl
Wow this is bad.

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02-20-2013, 11:09 AM
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Yeah, the Sharks should totally move their only good prospect for ****ing John-Michael Liles.
Its Hertl , he's a good prospect but nothing a team trying to contend should be crying about.

and not sure why you focused on Liles, Kulemin is 26 and a good player
liles is a solid vet dman and at 2.5 for 3 years a good deal for them

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Its Hertl , he's a good prospect but nothing a team trying to contend should be crying about.

and not sure why you focused on Liles, Kulemin is 26 and a good player
liles is a solid vet dman and at 2.5 for 3 years a good deal for them
I'm guessing you haven't seen Hertl play. Don't talk about Hertl like that in front of Jux or she will chew you up. We have absolutely no need for Liles. If anything Clowe for Kulemin is fair.

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02-20-2013, 11:20 AM
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not sure if been suggested but

Kulemin, Liles (Leafs retain 35%) for Clowe, Murray, Hertl
Don't need Liles. Not saying he is a bad player .. just dont need him. We need wingers/forwards.

Clowe and Murray would fetch more than Kulemin in my opinion. Would expect a lot more if we add Hertl in there.

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Its Hertl , he's a good prospect but nothing a team trying to contend should be crying about.

and not sure why you focused on Liles, Kulemin is 26 and a good player
liles is a solid vet dman and at 2.5 for 3 years a good deal for them
Hatrick is quite right. Regardless of what you think of him, he's quite NHL ready, and will probably be over next year in a top-9 role.

I do like Kulemin quite a bit, and I'd certainly add to Clowe to get him, but we're not interested in Liles, and we're not interested in trading Hertl.

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Hatrick is quite right. Regardless of what you think of him, he's quite NHL ready, and will probably be over next year in a top-9 role.

I do like Kulemin quite a bit, and I'd certainly add to Clowe to get him, but we're not interested in Liles, and we're not interested in trading Hertl.
I would also take issue with a 'a team trying to contend would cry over'. Absolutely we would, he is one of our two ONLY top-6 offensive prospects right now, and we are looking to contend next year as well, and the year after. Without Hertl we literally have no NHL ready top-6 prospects, and Hertl is a pretty darn good one.

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Braun has not been terrible. It's just fan scapegoating. Braun is a great possession player, an elite skater, strong positionally, and has a good outlet pass. He has all the makings of being a jack-of-all trades #4 caliber defensemen when he isn't playing with Douglas Murray. By all metrics, Braun is a legitimate #4-5 guy right now.

As for Gagner-- he's a talented kid, but we don't need more centers, and we certainly don't need a guy who's below average defensively.
Thank you for typing this so I didn't have to lol.

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Hatrick is quite right. Regardless of what you think of him, he's quite NHL ready, and will probably be over next year in a top-9 role.

I do like Kulemin quite a bit, and I'd certainly add to Clowe to get him, but we're not interested in Liles, and we're not interested in trading Hertl.
I'd rather do MacArthur for Clowe.

But what would you add to Clowe for Kulemin?

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I'd rather do MacArthur for Clowe.

But what would you add to Clowe for Kulemin?
Not our first or Hertl, that's for sure. Any other prospect, sure.

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Not our first or Hertl, that's for sure. Any other prospect, sure.
Ryane Clowe + Freddie Hamilton for Nikolai Kulemin? I'd do this.

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Demers has been good...Braun and Murray have been bad
You are right about Demers but Braun has been just as good if not better. Keep in mind that Braun is lugging around Murray, who is by far our worst defenseman. Look at the link below and you'll see that while Braun and Murray have faced the same quality of competition Braun's Relative Corsi QoC has been much better than Murray's.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...7+17+18+19+20#

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Filppula + Kindl + Miller

for

Clowe + Murray + Handzus

Not sure of SJ exact needs but wondering from a value standpoint If this would be a close.

Fil for Clowe - both ufa's
Kindl for Murray - both ufa's
Miller for Hanzus - both ufa's

Just looking to see if the value is there.


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I'm guessing you haven't seen Hertl play. Don't talk about Hertl like that in front of Jux or she will chew you up. We have absolutely no need for Liles. If anything Clowe for Kulemin is fair.
No, it isn't.

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Filppula + Kindl + Miller

for

Clowe + Murray + Handzus

Not sure of SJ exact needs but wondering from a value standpoint If this would be a close.

Fil for Clowe - both ufa's
Kindl for Murray - both ufa's
Miller for Hanzus - both ufa's

Just looking to see if the value is there.
Are you a sharks fan in disguise?

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02-22-2013, 10:38 AM
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Filppula + Kindl + Miller

for

Clowe + Murray + Handzus

Not sure of SJ exact needs but wondering from a value standpoint If this would be a close.

Fil for Clowe - both ufa's
Kindl for Murray - both ufa's
Miller for Hanzus - both ufa's

Just looking to see if the value is there.
I'd take that.

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I don't know too much about the Sharks needs. Does this sound anywhere close to reasonable?

To Wpg
Demers (2013 RFA)
Clowe (2013 UFA)

To SJ
Antropov (2013 UFA)
Postma (2013 RFA)
CHI 3rd round pick

Antropov is obviously a downgrade from Clowe, though probably not as much as you'd think. He's versatile and can play any forward position, brings a surprising amount of grit, and is extremely hard to move off the puck. If you can get over the fact he's slow, you'll be pleasantly surprised. I could see him functioning really well on a line with Couture and Havlat.

Postma is the centerpiece of the deal, he's a RHD with a cannon shot. He'd probably fit right in on the second PP unit. Has his moments defensively, but pair him with a solid stay-at-home guy and you'll be fine.

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I'd rather do MacArthur for Clowe.
Weren't some leafs fans fine with MacArthur for Murray? I'd rather do that.

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I don't know too much about the Sharks needs. Does this sound anywhere close to reasonable?

To Wpg
Demers (2013 RFA)
Clowe (2013 UFA)

To SJ
Antropov (2013 UFA)
Postma (2013 RFA)
CHI 3rd round pick

Antropov is obviously a downgrade from Clowe, though probably not as much as you'd think. He's versatile and can play any forward position, brings a surprising amount of grit, and is extremely hard to move off the puck. If you can get over the fact he's slow, you'll be pleasantly surprised. I could see him functioning really well on a line with Couture and Havlat.

Postma is the centerpiece of the deal, he's a RHD with a cannon shot. He'd probably fit right in on the second PP unit. Has his moments defensively, but pair him with a solid stay-at-home guy and you'll be fine.
So we're downgrading two players just for a 3rd round pick? Why would the Sharks do this?. If we're not getting any improvement in speed, there is no reason to trade Clowe. And how is Postma the centerpiece in this deal? Demers is a RHD with a great first pass, great speed, and great physicality. The difference is, he's already NHL proven and he's already a fit on the second PP unit.

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I don't know too much about the Sharks needs. Does this sound anywhere close to reasonable?

To Wpg
Demers (2013 RFA)
Clowe (2013 UFA)

To SJ
Antropov (2013 UFA)
Postma (2013 RFA)
CHI 3rd round pick

Antropov is obviously a downgrade from Clowe, though probably not as much as you'd think. He's versatile and can play any forward position, brings a surprising amount of grit, and is extremely hard to move off the puck. If you can get over the fact he's slow, you'll be pleasantly surprised. I could see him functioning really well on a line with Couture and Havlat.

Postma is the centerpiece of the deal, he's a RHD with a cannon shot. He'd probably fit right in on the second PP unit. Has his moments defensively, but pair him with a solid stay-at-home guy and you'll be fine.
We really do not need any defensemen. We have quality defensemen coming out of our ears. Boyle, Burns, Vlasic, Stuart, Braun, Demers, Irwin, Murray, Petrecki, Tennyson, Acolotse...

I actually like Antropov, so I am ok with that part. We really are looking for forwards/prospects, not d-men, in any deal. Picks are ok too, depending on the player.

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