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02-20-2013, 10:57 AM
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this is only the foundation for a trade, more would have to be added to get a deal done i would think but its a start so please no trolling...



ROR



Karl Alzner/John Carlson


Why...well the Caps could use a good 2way center like ROR and the Avs have been searching for that big bodied shut down type defenceman and maybe 1 of them could turn into what the Avs have desperatly needed for years...not sure bout value so if i could get some feed back to let me know if im way off or kinda on the right track that would really help...thanx all u wonderful HF ppl...

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02-20-2013, 11:00 AM
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Yes with ribiero Backstrom and Laich the caps need another center. Not to mention johansson.

They need wingers

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02-20-2013, 11:01 AM
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I'd trade O'Reilly for Alzner. Alzner would be the perfect partner for EJ and them playing 25+ minutes a night would completely chance how this defense looks.

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Caps overpay simply because the Avs have no leverage. Sorry Avs fans.

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02-20-2013, 11:04 AM
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I don't see how this makes sense for the caps. Moving Alzner or Carlson would just further weaken the defensive core which isn't exactly deep now, nor in the future. As nice as it would be to have ROR, center isn't our biggest weakness.

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02-20-2013, 11:05 AM
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This trade is no go until we know clearly that Ribeiro isn't going to re-sign IMO.

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02-20-2013, 11:06 AM
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Caps overpay simply because the Avs have no leverage. Sorry Avs fans.
O'Reilly isn't an upcoming UFA.

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You might need to add Forsberg, Ovechkin and probably a 1st round pick for O'Reilly.

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02-20-2013, 11:08 AM
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Yeah, Avs have no leverage, the price tag for O'Reilly falls every day. If we can't sign Ribeiro and trade him, this is an option. Carlson, Not Alzner. Also Green would have to be healthy. What are your offensive d-man? What is the price tag for Tyson Barrie for example?

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Caps overpay simply because the Avs have no leverage. Sorry Avs fans.
just like the Pens had no leverage when they had to trade Jordan Staal...

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You might need to add Forsberg, Ovechkin and probably a 1st round pick for O'Reilly.
Or dump all your failed/mediocre prospects and old defensemen. Leafs fans seems to think everyone wants them.

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just like the Pens had no leverage when they had to trade Jordan Staal...
Then Avs need to trade ROR to Metallurg where his brother plays.
Canes knew the brothers' duo will fill seats and increase TV ratings. Nobody else would've played a price anywhere close to that.

Also, Staal had more seasons under his belt and wasn't surrounded by such drama.

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You might need to add Forsberg, Ovechkin and probably a 1st round pick for O'Reilly.
That's only if the Caps also want tank commanders Matt Hunwick and Ryan O'Byrne. If ever there was a pairing that could guarantee a top pick, it's those two.

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with the uncertinty around ribiero resigning i think it could give the caps some options and a future 1,2,3 punch of Backstrom, Johansson and R.O.R is pretty damn good if u ask me...the caps could always trade Ribiero and Laich to solidify the wings and the caps have a few good prospect d-men that could be huge for them in the future...

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just like the Pens had no leverage when they had to trade Jordan Staal...
Not every team can use family as leverage.
Is your picture a screaming penis with a pens wig?

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with the uncertinty around ribiero resigning i think it could give the caps some options and a future 1,2,3 punch of Backstrom, Johansson and R.O.R is pretty damn good if u ask me...the caps could always trade Ribiero and Laich to solidify the wings and the caps have a few good prospect d-men that could be huge for them in the future...
We need a second-pairing young d-man to fill the gap created by taking Carlson away. Elliott or Barrie?

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02-20-2013, 11:20 AM
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Not every team can use family as leverage.
Is your picture a screaming penis with a pens wig?
hahaha, It really does look like a dick with a wig...good call

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I like Alzner a lot. I'd be willing to pay a premium for him.

Ror, siemens, second

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I like Alzner a lot. I'd be willing to pay a premium for him.

Ror, siemens, second
No thanks.

Though if we don't sign Ribeiro and trade him in a very good deal I'd think.

But still would rather talk offensive d-men: Barrie/Elliott and Carlson.

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We need a second-pairing young d-man to fill the gap created by taking Carlson away. Elliott or Barrie?
if it was to be ROR and 1 of Elliott or Barrie then more would need to be added from the Caps side like a 2nd round pick or a really good prospect...

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02-20-2013, 11:23 AM
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I'd trade O'Reilly for Alzner. Alzner would be the perfect partner for EJ and them playing 25+ minutes a night would completely chance how this defense looks.
Exactly this. This is a perfect basis to a deal.

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Caps overpay simply because the Avs have no leverage. Sorry Avs fans.
Yeah, because O'Reilly potentially not playing in the NHL till he is 27 means the ball is in his court. Colorado will sit on him till someone pays the price they want.
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Yeah, Avs have no leverage, the price tag for O'Reilly falls every day. If we can't sign Ribeiro and trade him, this is an option. Carlson, Not Alzner. Also Green would have to be healthy. What are your offensive d-man? What is the price tag for Tyson Barrie for example?

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Not as interested in Carlson. Barrie also isn't going to be moved. He is playing 22+ minutes now and starting to produce some points.

I'd hesitantly trade Elliott. He doesn't look great right now, but last season he was pretty awesome offensively. He has a great wrist shot that I would hate to see lighting it up another team's powerplay. If Alzner was the one coming back then I would trade him.

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unless its Alzner then i dont think the Caps would have to add at all...

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[1]Exactly this. This is a perfect basis to a deal.


[2]Yeah, because O'Reilly potentially not playing in the NHL till he is 27 means the ball is in his court. Colorado will sit on him till someone pays the price they want.

[3] Not as interested in Carlson. Barrie also isn't going to be moved. He is playing 22+ minutes now and starting to produce some point.
[1] For Avs. For the Caps? Not so much. Not good at all. We don't have a replacement and you can't offer one.
[2] Yeah, and longer he sits out, the less the price is. In the end, you may lose a good asset for nothing.
[3] What about Elliott? Or if we add?

Alzner is a non-starter. Who knows, maybe ROR will hold out in WSH too? We'd be better offer sheeting him to know how he feels. Alzner is a very rare player. Most consistent Cap in the last two years. Dominant. You don't trade him for question marks, especially when you don't have a replacement.
You don't even trade him for a sure fire 2nd line center.

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ok so what im getting here is it would have to be a deal like R.O.R, Elliott and a 2nd to get Alzner outta Washington??? am i getting there yet...

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