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02-20-2013, 11:48 AM
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what's your point?

He's human, playing with other humans. They play a difficult game. They are playing an odd 48 game season due to a work stoppage. They've played 15 games, he has 11 pts. They went to the ECF last spring led in many ways by his experience and production. They've played 15 games, they have 10 new guys in the locker room, they lost some key guys to the teams past chemistry, They've played 15 games.

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02-20-2013, 11:52 AM
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He's human, playing with other humans. They play a difficult game. They are playing an odd 48 game season due to a work stoppage. They've played 15 games, he has 11 pts. They went to the ECF last spring led in many ways by his experience and production. They've played 15 games, they have 10 new guys in the locker room, they lost some key guys to the teams past chemistry, They've played 15 games.
zzzzzzzzzzzz

Excuses are like a-holes... everyone's got one. You've got quite a few, there. He makes 7mm a year (was due to make 12 this year. If he's going to under perform, I'm going to SHRED him every chance I get.

You can't possibly tell me he looks good out there. Has it ever occurred to you his play could be eroding, and we're gonna be stuck with another Drury/Gomez?

This is why I'm so pissed off. Yet another possible under-perorming free-agent mistake. I'm not just looking at it as "it's only 15 games into the season".

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02-20-2013, 11:53 AM
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Yes, you've got it....

I believe Janet Jackson said it best when she said "What have you done for me, lately?"
And that's exactly the mentality you want to have when thinking about professional sports teams that play 82-game regular seasons (or even 48-game regular seasons).

You know, Claude Giroux and Sidney Crosby both got off to slow starts this season. For the first couple of weeks, neither was playing anywhere near up to normal standards. I guess their teams should have stripped them of their letters and shipped them out of town.

Shea Weber has been playing like crap until this week, too. Strip him of that C! Buy him out! Rabble rabble rabble!



How about before we strip Richards of his A, buy him out, and condemn him to burn in hell for all of eternity, we first figure out who exactly would be replacing him in the lineup. I know, this is ultimately inconsequential, as the popular thing to do here is to only act in the now and pay no heed to the later, but let's just consider for one moment what exactly the plan of action is should Richards be bought out.

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02-20-2013, 11:59 AM
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And that's exactly the mentality you want to have when thinking about professional sports teams that play 82-game regular seasons (or even 48-game regular seasons).

You know, Claude Giroux and Sidney Crosby both got off to slow starts this season. For the first couple of weeks, neither was playing anywhere near up to normal standards. I guess their teams should have stripped them of their letters and shipped them out of town.

Shea Weber has been playing like crap until this week, too. Strip him of that C! Buy him out! Rabble rabble rabble!



How about before we strip Richards of his A, buy him out, and condemn him to burn in hell for all of eternity, we first figure out who exactly would be replacing him in the lineup. I know, this is ultimately inconsequential, as the popular thing to do here is to only act in the now and pay no heed to the later, but let's just consider for one moment what exactly the plan of action is should Richards be bought out.
Shea Weber, Giroux, and Crosby are all on the right side of 30. Cuz, you know, we've done such an amazing job with free-agent signings 'n all. Gee, if only if I had some history to draw upon.

I agree we should have a plan, should we buy him out. We should also not sign guys over 30 to massive contracts.

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The Rangers are not going to buy out a guy who puts up 11 points in 15 games. aint gonna happen.

Richards will be fine. typical overreaction by the Rangers fan base.

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Has it ever occurred to you his play could be eroding, and we're gonna be stuck with another Drury/Gomez?
ECF last year > 11 pts in 15 games this season

... and you're calling him the next Gomez?

I understand hes had a couple frustrating games but you are over reacting.

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02-20-2013, 12:04 PM
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The Rangers are not going to buy out a guy who puts up 11 points in 15 games. aint gonna happen.

Richards will be fine. typical overreaction by the Rangers fan base.
Is it? Shall I name the free-agent signings that have crippled us only 2 years into the deal? Drury, Gomez (Bob Gainey is an idiot), and Redden... they all worked out so well for us.

It's not just his play right now that I'm thinking of. He's only a year into his monster deal and already looks like he's aging quite rapidly.

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He's only a year into his monster deal and already looks like he's freakin' done.
ECF > 11 pts in 15 games does not = dunzo

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The Rangers are not going to buy out a guy who puts up 11 points in 15 games. aint gonna happen.

Richards will be fine. typical overreaction by the Rangers fan base.
Well I can say, in my case, it's not an overreaction as I wanted them to buy him out in 2014 before the season started.

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Shea Weber, Giroux, and Crosby are all on the right side of 30. Cuz, you know, we've done such an amazing job with free-agent signings 'n all. Gee, if only if I had some history to draw upon.
You have absolutely no history to draw upon, because those situations were completely different. The Rangers were not one or two free agent signings away from being a contending team when they signed those players. The team lacked any sort of depth, and those players never had a history of filling the roles the Rangers expected them to fill. The Rangers didn't have to sign those players, they went out of their way to sign them and then place them in positions where they were destined to fail.

Brad Richards has a history of being a legit first line player. The Rangers had no choice but to sign Brad Richards. He was a must. He was the only option available, and signing him was the only direction this team could have gone in at the time. And guess what? He did exactly what he was intended to do: he turned the team into a legit contender. Conference Finals, game 6. Considering they were still lacking in other offensive talent, they went as far last season as could reasonably have been expected.

Now, we have a bunch of new players, a lockout-shortened season, and a questionable attachment from the coach to a strategy that may no longer fit the makeup of the team.

Brad Richards, on his worst day, is a better player than Scott Gomez was on his best day. Chris Drury was never a top line player to begin with; he was a great two-way third liner who accumulated a lot of garbage points on PPs. They are not proper comparisons to Brad Richards.

If you want to be upset, be upset at the front office for A) doing a horrible job in the summers of 2007 and 2008 and B) for constructing this version of the team in such a manner that Brad Richards, exiting his prime, and a hotly pursued free agent because of the lack of any other top-line centers, was the only way this team could take the next step.

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How many of the goals those players have scored have Richards assists?

I'd bet quite a high percentage.
Richards has assisted on (1) goal for Nash and (1) goal for Stepan. That's it.

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02-20-2013, 12:11 PM
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This is why I'm so pissed off. Yet another possible under-perorming free-agent mistake. I'm not just looking at it as "it's only 15 games into the season".
Then stop. The reality is they have played 15 games this season. Relax, go make fun of the Devils and their attendance

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02-20-2013, 12:14 PM
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ECF > 11 pts in 15 games does not = dunzo
I amended my post to read "aging quite rapidly". haha

I don't like what I'm seeing. It's a long contract. It's an expensive contract. He's on the wrong side of 30.

He just doesn't even look like he cares, right now. Did another hottie send him packing because they realized his personality sucks and his voice is creepy?

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Well I can say, in my case, it's not an overreaction as I wanted them to buy him out in 2014 before the season started.

And replace him with who?

Dont name another top ufa because they will think twice before they ultimately decide NY is not for them and their family. Look what happened to the last guy! And he scored 11 pts in 15 games...

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02-20-2013, 12:16 PM
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Then stop. The reality is they have played 15 games this season. Relax, go make fun of the Devils and their attendance
haha I actually don't get involved in those discussions. They have 3 Cups.

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. Did another hottie send him packing because they realized his personality sucks and his voice is creepy?
Alright so you just dont like the guy... try to be less judgmental of others. Even in the cyber world. We all have work to do.

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And replace him with who?
I don't know. That's a long time from now.

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You have absolutely no history to draw upon, because those situations were completely different. The Rangers were not one or two free agent signings away from being a contending team when they signed those players. The team lacked any sort of depth, and those players never had a history of filling the roles the Rangers expected them to fill. The Rangers didn't have to sign those players, they went out of their way to sign them and then place them in positions where they were destined to fail.

Brad Richards has a history of being a legit first line player. The Rangers had no choice but to sign Brad Richards. He was a must. He was the only option available, and signing him was the only direction this team could have gone in at the time. And guess what? He did exactly what he was intended to do: he turned the team into a legit contender. Conference Finals, game 6. Considering they were still lacking in other offensive talent, they went as far last season as could reasonably have been expected.

Now, we have a bunch of new players, a lockout-shortened season, and a questionable attachment from the coach to a strategy that may no longer fit the makeup of the team.

Brad Richards, on his worst day, is a better player than Scott Gomez was on his best day. Chris Drury was never a top line player to begin with; he was a great two-way third liner who accumulated a lot of garbage points on PPs. They are not proper comparisons to Brad Richards.

If you want to be upset, be upset at the front office for A) doing a horrible job in the summers of 2007 and 2008 and B) for constructing this version of the team in such a manner that Brad Richards, exiting his prime, and a hotly pursued free agent because of the lack of any other top-line centers, was the only way this team could take the next step.
I hear what you're saying, and you make some good points. But how were they destined to fail? Because at the time we had no true winger for Gomez? Just you know, that Jagr guy? haha look what he did for Giroux. Can you clarify?

I'm not angry at management, and I'm not gonna sit here and tell you I was against the signing; I wasn't.

I'm just thinking...oh no....not again. Hopefully he comes out of it because I will gladly shovel crow into my mouth by the truckload.

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02-20-2013, 12:23 PM
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Alright so you just dont like the guy... try to be less judgmental of others. Even in the cyber world. We all have work to do.
Dude it's a joke. I have nothing against the guy. I have 2 Richards shirts and was ecstatic when we signed him, as I loved him in TB.

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02-20-2013, 12:55 PM
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Dude it's a joke. I have nothing against the guy. I have 2 Richards shirts and was ecstatic when we signed him, as I loved him in TB.
How do stomach wearing that jersey in public? You should at the very least rip the "A" off.

(but save it just in case he wins the Conn Smyth in the spring... ya know)

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Brad Richards, on his worst day, is a better player than Scott Gomez was on his best day.

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This is a laughable comment and displays an absurd case of selective memory.

Let me guess, you wrote in the miller thread that he was a better skater then Dubinsky and you also feel that zherdev did nothing productive as a ranger?

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Where in the world is Brad Richards?

http://vimeo.com/59809703#at=48

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Honestly those re mostly some very quiet points he's put up thus far . The bad plays outweigh the secondary assists and three goals he scored weeks ago by a wide margin . His play has not reflected his stats or his contract . His impact has been poor . He hasn't changed the game in Ny favor at all and he looks old , effete and ineffective .

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Brad Richards has 11 points this season in 15 games. (5) of those points are secondary assists.

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Brad Richards has 11 points this season in 15 games. (5) of those points are secondary assists.
Secondary assists aren't always a bad thing. Good pass to MDZ to hit Stepan for the PP goal. Good touch pass to hit Nash who hits Gabby for a goal.

His play isn't good right now. The fact that he has 11 in 15 shows, to me at least, that when he picks up his play he's going to go off.

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