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02-20-2013, 10:34 AM
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Also, obviously our conditional trade is accepted.

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02-20-2013, 10:39 AM
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Also, obviously our conditional trade is accepted.
Please post the details so the OP can be updated easily

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02-20-2013, 10:46 AM
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Please post the details so the OP can be updated easily
to Pittsburgh: 13th round (386th), 14th round (442nd), 14th round (447th)
to Hershey: 12th round (354th), 16th round (482nd), 20th (610th)

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02-20-2013, 10:51 AM
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Weiland, Lewis, and Aurie were making a great job of the tough assignment of watching Jackson, Primeau, and Conacher. Not once did the sniping invaders break away from them.
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By 1933-34 Aurie starred on a line with future Hall of Famers Cooney Weiland and Herbie Lewis, the Wings finished the regular season in first place in their division. They then pulled off one of the biggest upsets in playoff history when they outplayed the Toronto Maple Leafs to advance to the Stanley Cup finals.

Toronto Maple Leaf boss Conn Smythe once described the line of Lewis, Weiland and Aurie as "the best line in hockey."
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While Weiland, Aurie and Lewis' line averaged just 150 pounds their playmaking often outshone Toronto's famous kid line.

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02-20-2013, 10:52 AM
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I believe the Bears are the first team to complete their top 3 forward lines...

Robitaille - Dionne - Howe
Cook - Dunderdale - Bauer
Lewis - Weiland - Aurie

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02-20-2013, 10:59 AM
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Hershey drafts HHOF center Cooney Weiland
Weiland's a nice guy to build a 3rd line around. He's not good enough to center a scoringline, but he's very high-end offensively for a two-way third liner. Other than physicality, he brings pretty much everything you want in a 3rd line center. Nice pick.

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02-20-2013, 11:15 AM
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Interesting line to recreate.

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So that means I'm up, correct?

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02-20-2013, 11:21 AM
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So that means I'm up, correct?
Check your pm...trade?

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02-20-2013, 12:12 PM
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To Cincinnati: 355, 483, 611

To Philadelphia: 358, 477, 605

+3, -6, -6


Can I pick?

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02-20-2013, 12:17 PM
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I feel as though he is the last Dman left at his offensive level, I was nervous he was going to be slected by TDMM or Nalyd right before my pick.

The Fireworks are very pleased to select a guy who will add a great deal of offense from the blue line. He will see first unit PP minutes as well as some 2nd/3rd pair minutes as a PMD.

D Lennart Svedberg

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02-20-2013, 12:24 PM
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The Minnesota Fighting Saints are pleased to select, Pete Mahovlich, C

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02-20-2013, 12:46 PM
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02-20-2013, 12:54 PM
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Yekaterinburg selects LW Jack Adams.
Wasn't he basically a C who played a few playoff games at LW?

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I feel as though he is the last Dman left at his offensive level, I was nervous he was going to be slected by TDMM or Nalyd right before my pick.

The Fireworks are very pleased to select a guy who will add a great deal of offense from the blue line. He will see first unit PP minutes as well as some 2nd/3rd pair minutes as a PMD.

D Lennart Svedberg
Great value pick. Short career due to the tragic car accident, but seems to have peaked higher than Ragulin. I already have the real Paul Coffey, so I'm not sure what I'd do with the Euro Paul Coffey.

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The Minnesota Fighting Saints are pleased to select, Pete Mahovlich, C
When I drafted him in this range last year, you called him the worst pick of the round. What changed?

Pick coming in a few.

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02-20-2013, 01:01 PM
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When I drafted him in this range last year, you called him the worst pick of the round. What changed?

Pick coming in a few.
I honestly have no idea. It might have been because of the make-up of your team.

Upon further inspection. I was just wrong. I commented without due diligence. He was a player I didn't quite understand and I shouldn't have listed him there without sufficient knowledge.


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02-20-2013, 01:02 PM
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Great value pick. Short career due to the tragic car accident, but seems to have peaked higher than Ragulin. I already have the real Paul Coffey, so I'm not sure what I'd do with the Euro Paul Coffey.
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I saw that Nalyd needed to fill a defenseman spot on his top unit PP and also saw you needed your number 4 so I had to pull the trigger on the trade. If all else fails it was only 6 spots twice later on which is not that much of a loss, compared to me kicking myself if I didn't make the trade and one of you guys scooped him.

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02-20-2013, 01:04 PM
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Nice pick with Beck.
Such hypocrisy.

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02-20-2013, 01:12 PM
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Such hypocrisy.
Here's my review of your team here:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...k#post46467709

Clearly calling both Boyle and Beck number 4's...Not sure what your point is. I'd clearly pick Beck as my number 4 in this draft.

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02-20-2013, 01:16 PM
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Swamp Devils pick the man who was the best center in Czechoslovakia during their golden age in the 1970s,

Milan Novy, C

Novy led the Czechoslovak league in scoring 5 times, was 2nd 4 times, and 3rd once. This is the best scoring record of any Czech forward during the era by a pretty wide margin, though unlike Martinec, Novy played for a stacked team. Novy was relatively balanced between goal scoring and playmaking. Based on Golden Stick voting, Novy was the 2nd best Czech forward of the era after Vladimir Martinec, which is fair. Novy was also known as a hard worker during his career.

Martinec was usually better in the World Championships, but Novy had some big moments in International Tournaments too. He was the only member of the Silver Medalist Czechoslovak team named as an All Star at the 1976 Canada Cup and he was named team MVP. He led the 1980 Olympics in scoring; 2nd place was Peter Stastny in what I believe was his last major tournament before coming to North America.

Here's EB's profile from last year: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=140

Recently, official All Star Teams from Czechoslovakia have been found which should make Novy's standing here rise even more.

Official All-Star Teams existed in Czechoslovakia from 1969-1977. Novy was named All-Star center in 1975, 1976, and 1977.

TIP magazine named "best defenseman, best goalie, and best forward" in Czechoslovakia from 1977 (notice the one year overlap) to 1992. These seem official too, as they are quoted in Dominik Hasek's TSN profile: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=126. Novy was named best forward in Czechoslovakia in 1977, 1978, 1981, and 1982.

Czechoslovakian hockey was in decline by 1981 and 1982 due to retirements and defections, but it is noteworthy that for 4 straight years from 1975-1978, Novy at least has a case as the best forward in the country that won 2 of 4 gold medals at the World Championships over the USSR and that finished 2nd to Canada at the Canada Cup.

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02-20-2013, 01:28 PM
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Wooo, played chicken with Novy this time and won. I could have drafted him with the pick I traded away, but saw that nobody who picked between my two picks needed a scoring line center, so I gambled that nobody would trade up to snag him.

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02-20-2013, 01:35 PM
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I thought I sold him pretty nicely last draft, and with my biography everyone is one-click away to get all the information to this unsung all-star. I'm disappointed he didn't got picked at least a full round earlier for a start. Your win TDMM.

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02-20-2013, 01:45 PM
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I thought I sold him pretty nicely last draft, and with my biography everyone is one-click away to get all the information to this unsung all-star. I'm disappointed he didn't got picked at least a full round earlier for a start. Your win TDMM.
You didn't have the All-Star Teams or "best forward" selections for Czechoslovakia, as I believe they were only "discovered" by hfboards in the past couple of months. I think they should erase any lingering doubt that Novy might not be better than a certain undrafted.

I think there's at least a case that Novy is as good as any center drafted in the last few rounds, but that's the thing with second line centers in the ATD - there are so many of them that sometimes you can afford to wait. I do think he was the last center available in his class, which is why I decided to stop waiting.

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Great value pick. Short career due to the tragic car accident, but seems to have peaked higher than Ragulin. I already have the real Paul Coffey, so I'm not sure what I'd do with the Euro Paul Coffey.
Don't know why people compares him to Coffey. Lill-strimma was more competent in his own zone and was probably one of the better hip-checkers of all-time swedes. He rushes has been made famous but people tend to forget that he often relied to precise outlet passes as, to quote the man himself, "The puck travels faster than the player".

I guess his skating makes him comparable to Coffey...

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You didn't have the All-Star Teams or "best forward" selections for Czechoslovakia, as I believe they were only "discovered" by hfboards in the past couple of months. I think they should erase any lingering doubt that Novy might not be better than a certain undrafted.

I think there's at least a case that Novy is as good as any center drafted in the last few rounds, but that's the thing with second line centers in the ATD - there are so many of them that sometimes you can afford to wait. I do think he was the last center available in his class, which is why I decided to stop waiting.
Without the new All-Star voting is was pretty clear in my study that he was the superior centre of the two.

And perhaps you are right. A lot of second line centre available in this draft, so they tend to fall. He should be in everyone Top-300 if we were building a list.

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02-20-2013, 01:51 PM
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Don't know why people compares him to Coffey. Lill-strimma was more competent in his own zone and was probably one of the better hip-checkers of all-time swedes. He rushes has been made famous but people tend to forget that he often relied to precise outlet passes as, to quote the man himself, "The puck travels faster than the player".

I guess his skating makes him comparable to Coffey...
According to Joe Pelletier, Svedberg was a converted forward who sometimes struggled in his own zone. Don't get me wrong, if he fell to my next pick - I would have found some way to use him; he already fell too far.

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