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02-19-2013, 01:12 PM
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To Van:
Blake Wheeler

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David Booth
1st round pick
2nd round pick

Vancouver does this because they need a big body to play with the Sedins (Kassian is starting to cool down). Winnipeg does this because Wheeler is probably going to demand a lot of money in the offseason and they still have a ways to go before becoming a contender. Booth gives them a good option on the second line for a couple more years and they get a couple picks which can help the team in the future. Thoughts?

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02-19-2013, 01:17 PM
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I don't mind a deal surrounding Booth for Wheeler, but yeah right @ those two picks.

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02-19-2013, 01:19 PM
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Pass, although the value is fair.

Doesn't do much for the Jets, and the point of picking up a playmaking winger is so that he'd play with Kesler & Booth, not replace one of them. Also not interested in giving up any 2013 picks.

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02-19-2013, 01:23 PM
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To Van:
Blake Wheeler

To Wpg:
David Booth
1st round pick
2nd round pick

Vancouver does this because they need a big body to play with the Sedins (Kassian is starting to cool down). Winnipeg does this because Wheeler is probably going to demand a lot of money in the offseason and they still have a ways to go before becoming a contender. Booth gives them a good option on the second line for a couple more years and they get a couple picks which can help the team in the future. Thoughts?
I'd pass as a Canuck fan.

First, the Sedins don't need a big body to play with. Kassian wasn't a long-term option with them, and will likely be playing with Kesler (who should be a good compliment to each other's games). This makes Wheeler unnecessary - as they are both right wingers that can play that role next to Kesler.

Burrows is the guy next to the Sedins, and he was moved back to the Sedin line not because Kassian cooled down, but because the Sedins play better next to Burrows. They each have won scoring titles with Burrows on their line, so why would the Canucks give up a bunch of asset value and take on a contract who you said is going to get a big raise (which the Canucks don't have the flexibility to accommodate), when they can produce among the top players in the league with Burrows next to them?

Wheeler is a good player but is up for a new contract the same off-season when the cap drops drastically and the Canucks are already well over the current cap. I'd rather just go with Booth and see how he does coming back. The Canucks have had several players like Booth who have struggled to first find a fit with them when they arrive in a trade, but have only improved significantly once they've been given time to adjust... we're seeing that this season with Ballard, who was trashed on constantly when he first arrived and even as early as the beginning of this season, but has been the Canucks most consistent dman this year, now having adjusted to the system. Booth can similarly find a fit once he's spent more time in the system, and a line of Booth-Kesler-Kassian could be great for the Canucks moving forward.

No need to give up 2 high picks (in a deep draft, with an organization already low on prospect talent) and a player that could still work out for a RFA who could demand too much for the Canucks to fit into their cap situation moving forward. And besides, Kassian seems to be that same fit of player - albeit bigger and more physical, but a big playmaking right winger with good vision who could be a good compliment to Kesler long-term.

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02-19-2013, 01:36 PM
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To Van:
Blake Wheeler

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David Booth
1st round pick
2nd round pick

Vancouver does this because they need a big body to play with the Sedins (Kassian is starting to cool down). Winnipeg does this because Wheeler is probably going to demand a lot of money in the offseason and they still have a ways to go before becoming a contender. Booth gives them a good option on the second line for a couple more years and they get a couple picks which can help the team in the future. Thoughts?
I would love to get Wheeler but would hesitate giving up those picks. However he would be the perfect winger for Kesler not the Sedins.

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02-19-2013, 01:40 PM
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Wouldn't do it as a Canucks fan, and I don't think Jets fans would be thrilled to lose Wheeler either.

Also, we don't NEED a big body to play with the Sedins. Burrows is playing just fine with them, and we can put Kassian with them every now and then if need be.

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02-19-2013, 02:08 PM
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I would do if Wheeler came with an extension. Not for an UFA though, at least of his caliber.

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02-19-2013, 02:11 PM
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I would do if Wheeler came with an extension. Not for an UFA though, at least of his caliber.
He's RFA.

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He's RFA.
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I suppose I would pull the trigger on this then if he will be an RFA...what do people think he will ask for/get on his next deal? I'd think 3.5-4.75 on a 2-3 year deal.

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02-19-2013, 02:18 PM
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Hmm...Let's see how Booth does in his first few games back before selling low on him.

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02-19-2013, 02:25 PM
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To Van:
Blake Wheeler

To Wpg:
David Booth
1st round pick
2nd round pick

Vancouver does this because they need a big body to play with the Sedins (Kassian is starting to cool down). Winnipeg does this because Wheeler is probably going to demand a lot of money in the offseason and they still have a ways to go before becoming a contender. Booth gives them a good option on the second line for a couple more years and they get a couple picks which can help the team in the future. Thoughts?


Am I the only one that sees this deal as essentially the following?

Vancouver Loses
Mikeal Samuelsson
Marco Sturm
2013 1st round pick
2013 2nd round pick


Vancouver Gains

Blake Wheeler
Steven Reinpecht


That's a pretty big pass from Vancouver

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02-19-2013, 02:30 PM
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Done deal.

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No thanks from Winnipeg. A late first and second isn't enough to move down from Wheeler to Booth for us.

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That's a good return for Winnipeg, IMO. Not sure if the Nucks give up that much.

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02-19-2013, 02:40 PM
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Am I the only one that sees this deal as essentially the following?

Vancouver Loses
Mikeal Samuelsson
Marco Sturm
2013 1st round pick
2013 2nd round pick


Vancouver Gains

Blake Wheeler
Steven Reinpecht


That's a pretty big pass from Vancouver
I don't think that's a good way to look at it.

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02-19-2013, 02:44 PM
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Big pass from Vancouver.
I don't see Wheeler as an upgrade worth that much.

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02-19-2013, 03:49 PM
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A guy who can barely stay healthy, and is already a shell of his former self for one of our best players?

I like 1st rounders as much as the next guy, but picks that are likely going to be so late in each round are not incentive for us to make this deal.

Do not want booth at all.

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02-19-2013, 04:26 PM
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Rather wait and see what Booth offers before we ship him off, especially with a first attached.

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02-19-2013, 04:32 PM
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Am I the only one that sees this deal as essentially the following?

Vancouver Loses
Mikeal Samuelsson
Marco Sturm
2013 1st round pick
2013 2nd round pick


Vancouver Gains

Blake Wheeler
Steven Reinpecht


That's a pretty big pass from Vancouver
imo that deal looks better for Vancouver.

Sturm sucks and Samuelsson isn't all that great.

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I don't think that's a good way to look at it.
Its not. Sunk costs should not be factored into future considerations.

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02-19-2013, 06:40 PM
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No way. Booth is a 2nd-line forward, and I don't see why we need to give Booth and two top picks for an above-average right winger.

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We hardly need the picks, (6 in the first 3 rounds, plus at this rate we're picking top 3... ) and Booth is a downgrade from Wheeler for sure. (IMO)

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Wheeler would be an awesome winger for Kesler, that's for sure. However he's really our only true top six right winger, so trading him for a declining asset in Booth while creating a hole to fill with said picks doesn't make a lot of sense.

If there's any player that makes sense price and need-wise it would be Slater with Malholtra's injury/retirement. Good face off guy, gritty with enough skill to be a very effective 4th liner.

Not really worth it for us unless a 1st is coming back or a 2nd +. Wouldn't blame Vancouver fans for balking at the price.

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Jets takes this.

For obvious reasons, Vancouver does not.

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I'm surprised it hasnt been said yet, but if the Jets made this trade, Their # 1 RW would be Kyle Wellwood. Value is favourable for the Jets, but we just cant do it.

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