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02-20-2013, 02:21 PM
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Yea .9 ppg players suck especially at 30.
Ok, I'll eat my words when he plays a full 82 game season, and consistently puts up 60+ points in those seasons.

Unless he takes a paycut to remain a Flame past next season....

Otherwise, trade him for a good return now.

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02-20-2013, 02:28 PM
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I don't mind keeping Cammallerri, but I'd be dissapointed if Feaster moves assets for Nino. I don't think NN is going to pan out well in the NHL.

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02-20-2013, 02:48 PM
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there might be a slight difference between 11 games and 82 games, but let me double check my math
Yes but my point is the same, since returning to Calgary Cammy is .9 ppg player why are we rushing to ship him out, especially when he likes to a leader a be vocal in the locker room.

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02-20-2013, 05:12 PM
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Yes but my point is the same, since returning to Calgary Cammy is .9 ppg player why are we rushing to ship him out, especially when he likes to a leader a be vocal in the locker room.
the biggest reason is the cap is dropping and he is overpaid

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the biggest reason is the cap is dropping and he is overpaid
If he plays at .9 ppg he isn't that overpaid and if we rebuild why does it even matter?

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If he plays at .9 ppg he isn't that overpaid and if we rebuild why does it even matter?
because they aren't going to rebuild by dumping all the salary.

Cammalleri is expendable because of his salary, because he should give a decent return and because he plays a position in which they have in excess of

Wingers need to be moved to free up cap space for centers

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02-20-2013, 05:35 PM
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because they aren't going to rebuild by dumping all the salary.

Cammalleri is expendable because of his salary, because he should give a decent return and because he plays a position in which they have in excess of

Wingers need to be moved to free up cap space for centers
My point is if we are moving Iggy,Kipper,Gio etc we need some skilled players to stay and Cammy's off ice attitude is a perfect example to have around young prospect.

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02-20-2013, 05:37 PM
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My point is if we are moving Iggy,Kipper,Gio etc we need some skilled players to stay and Cammy's off ice attitude is a perfect example to have around young prospect.
Cammy's attitude is exactly why you don't want him on a rebuilding team. What do you think made him sound off to the media in Montreal? I like Cammy but he is not a player you keep for a rebuild.

And while we might have fun suggesting rebuilds, Kipper and Gio are going nowhere and chances are Iggy isn't either.

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Cammy's attitude is exactly why you don't want him on a rebuilding team. What do you think made him sound off to the media in Montreal? I like Cammy but he is not a player you keep for a rebuild.

And while we might have fun suggesting rebuilds, Kipper and Gio are going nowhere and chances are Iggy isn't either.
Cammy was mad the team gave up and accepted losing, he wasn't mad that they were losing but he was pissed that no one wanted to stop losing and had simply accepted that they were going to lose. That is the exact attitude you want a young to have that even if they are losing they should never accept it.

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Cammy was mad the team gave up and accepted losing, he wasn't mad that they were losing but he was pissed that no one wanted to stop losing and had simply accepted that they were going to lose. That is the exact attitude you want a young to have that even if they are losing they should never accept it.
He still spouted off to the media because he was upset and frustrated. That is not what you want to teach kids is acceptable.

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02-20-2013, 06:25 PM
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He still spouted off to the media because he was upset and frustrated. That is not what you want to teach kids is acceptable.
If Sven felt that the team had given up I would be very disappointed if he didn't say something, Cammy called out his teammates for giving up if our future players don't give 100% every game then they too should be called out.

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If Sven felt that the team had given up I would be very disappointed if he didn't say something, Cammy called out his teammates for giving up if our future players don't give 100% every game then they too should be called out.
the problem is calling out teammates in the media, in Montreal!

It was a calculated move to force a trade, don't make it something it's not. He knew doing that would end his days in Montreal.

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the problem is calling out teammates in the media, in Montreal!

It was a calculated move to force a trade, don't make it something it's not. He knew doing that would end his days in Montreal.
Yes and because he knew that would cost him his spot in Montreal is why I respect him, he had a choice either remain quiet and let his team quit or speak up and get traded to a team that carried. If he wants his teammates to give 100% he will let them know and we most likely won't have the losing culture that Edmonton is now dealing with.

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02-21-2013, 01:15 AM
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let me try a rebuild without rebuilding

before the trade deadline

  • Jarome Iginla
  • Alex Tanguay



Curtis Glencross - Stephen Weiss - Jarome Iginla
Roman Cervenka - Matt Stajan - Jiri Hudler
Sven Baertschi - Tyler Bozak - Nino Niederreiter
Lance Bouma - Chris Kelly - Colton Orr
Tim Jackman - Roman Horak

Jay Bouwmeester - Ladislav Smid
Mark Giordano - Dennis Wideman
TJ Brodie - Brandon Gormley
Chris Breen - Kevan Miller

Karri Ramo
Ray Emery

How is Iggy still on the roster if he was traded? Anyways, I like most of those moves except for the Backlund one. Seems a bit iffy for me especially since he has seemingly found his game.

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02-21-2013, 01:18 AM
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How is Iggy still on the roster if he was traded? Anyways, I like most of those moves except for the Backlund one. Seems a bit iffy for me especially since he has seemingly found his game.
its this new thing introduced in the CBA called free agency

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its this new thing introduced in the CBA called free agency
Oh, I just assumed that Tanguay and Iginla would permanently be moved to Phoenix for Gormley. My apologies.

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Does Kipper have a NTC clause this late into his contract?

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Does Kipper have a NTC clause this late into his contract?
no it is gone.

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There was a good reason I used terms like "sign" and "re-sign" in my free agency section. Just a hint "re-sign" is for players under contract with the team and "sign" is for those that aren't
Again I apologize. It was a lapse of judgement on my part.

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I get the feeling that the Flames may try and overpay for O'Rielly. We're desperate for a centerman and I can see Feaster not wanting to miss out on O'Rielly the way he missed out on Kyle Turris. The fact that we're in the same division may influence Colorado to not do a deal with the Flames. I would expect Baertschi or our 1st rounder to be in play.

I just have this sinking feeling that the Flames management is desperate and will make a move to patch things in the short term.

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I get the feeling that the Flames may try and overpay for O'Rielly. We're desperate for a centerman and I can see Feaster not wanting to miss out on O'Rielly the way he missed out on Kyle Turris. The fact that we're in the same division may influence Colorado to not do a deal with the Flames. I would expect Baertschi or our 1st rounder to be in play.

I just have this sinking feeling that the Flames management is desperate and will make a move to patch things in the short term.
That kind of panic trade means one of Brodie, Baertschi or Backlund and this years first round pick. Maybe more on top of that. Best case in a desperation move scenario would be Giordano and a 1st.

Best thing for the Flames in that regard would be to go on a bit of a losing streak and thus, erase any hint of belief in managements eyes that this season is salvageable. Of course, that could just spur them on to make a move faster.

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I get the feeling that the Flames may try and overpay for O'Rielly. We're desperate for a centerman and I can see Feaster not wanting to miss out on O'Rielly the way he missed out on Kyle Turris. The fact that we're in the same division may influence Colorado to not do a deal with the Flames. I would expect Baertschi or our 1st rounder to be in play.

I just have this sinking feeling that the Flames management is desperate and will make a move to patch things in the short term.
I would be beyond angry! So much rage... just thinking about it.

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I really think Gio and Reinhart get a deal done for ROR. It would really suck to lose Reinhart, a lot, but O'Reilly is young and already the center that Reinhart would top out being in a best case scenario.

We need to do something and I hope Feaster doesn't let this opportunity pass.

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Bored so here's a major moves proposal:

Trades (this season):

Kiprusoff (to Tor) for Percy, 2013 1st
Cammalleri (to Buff) for Stafford
Sarich, Giordano (to NYR) for JT Miller, 2013 3rd
Comeau (to Pitts) 2013 4th
Iginla, Stajan, Butler (to Bos) for Krecji, Caron, Krug, 2013 1st

Draft:

Stempniak (to CBJ) for Nikitin
I am going to predict we draft #3,#20 and #30. Draft Sasha Barkov, Anthony Mantha and Jacob De la Rose.

Free agency:

Sign Ryan O'Byrne. Re-sign MacDonald, Cerevenka, sign Raamo

Lineup:

Hudler-Krecji-Cervenka
Glencross-Tanguay-Stafford
Baertschi-Backlund-Miller
Bouma-Horak-Caron
Jones-Jackman

Nikitin-Bouwmeester
Brodie-Wideman
Krug-O'Byrne
Smith

Raamo, MacDonald

Not a total rebuild but try to be competitive and if still suck then move more guys at 2014 deadline.

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I too think ROR is a guy to chase because regardless how much we **** the bed this year, he's a guy you can build some wingers around. But not at the expense of Baerstchi, who I believe can be a franchise winger

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