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07-12-2006, 08:35 PM
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Let me get this straight: we make two excellent acquisitions and you don't like this at all?


It's JULY. Lines and positions will sort themselves out. BG is likely not done yet. Maybe THEN you'll like it. I certainly hope so.
I absolutely love the acquisitions. I'm just worried that Sammy or Ryder will get 3rd line duty...they are not 3rd liners.

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if there is to be another trade in the works, i can see Perez being the one who goes somewhere else.

I like Perez, but he's replaceable.

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07-12-2006, 08:36 PM
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As a RH shot myself, I can tell you that it doesn't work out playing LW. You need to be a really great skater to do that and Ryder is not.

Works great on the PP but not 5 on 5.
Rocket Richard, a leftie, played his whole carreer on right wing . Shanahan, a rightie, is one of the best left winger of the past decade. Most Russian players, like Kovalev, are used to play on their off-side. Kovy is a left shot playing on right wing too. Samsonov, Perezhogin, Kostitsyn can play both wings.

As for Ryder, the few times I saw him on left wing, he looked pretty good.

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07-12-2006, 08:38 PM
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both ryder and sammy can play both wings... but i think we'll keep ryder at RW and sammy at LW

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Rocket Richard, a leftie, played his whole carreer on right wing . Shanahan, a rightie, is one of the best left winger of the past decade. Most Russian players, like Kovalev, are used to play on their off-side. Kovy is a left shot playing on right wing too. Samsonov, Perezhogin, Kostitsyn can play both wings.

As for Ryder, the few times I saw him on left wing, he looked pretty good.
Those are all great players though!

I mean in terms of skating at least. I dunno, I guess I'm just wrong on this one.

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It's either Picard or Morency...They are entertaining but the whole point is that they are extreme pessimists and they rile up the audience and get the callers angry. It's all about the entertainment factor.

It would be boring to hear "Yeah! You're so right!" over and over again.
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well that's dumb.

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Ryder is not signed right...well maybe Gainey is putting pressure on him and making it seem he can be replaced so he can sign for less. BG you sly dog!

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Ryder is not signed right...well maybe Gainey is putting pressure on him and making it seem he can be replaced so he can sign for less. BG you sly dog!
That would actually be pretty smart on Gainey's part.

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Ryder is not signed right...well maybe Gainey is putting pressure on him and making it seem he can be replaced so he can sign for less. BG you sly dog!
Ryder is going to arbitration so he'll be signed before the start of the season.

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both ryder and sammy can play both wings... but i think we'll keep ryder at RW and sammy at LW
I'm not entirely sure about this but numerous Boston fans told us Edmonton fans that Samsonov can only play left wing. I know Torres moved to right wing late in the season because MacTavish wanted him to play on a line with Samsonov.

Higgins-Koivu-Ryder
Samsonov-Ribeiro-Kovalev

That second line looks solid but a little weak in my opinion. The Habs could definitely use a little size (maybe an upgrade on Ribeiro) to make those lines look really lethal.

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I'm not sure why he said RW. Samsonov played LW almost his entire career.

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07-12-2006, 09:52 PM
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if indeed all these new players will be playing RW someone's gotta go. i would agree....i smell a trade soon...

Yup and the guy in your avatar will be in that deal

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I'm not sure why he said RW. Samsonov played LW almost his entire career.
He wont, that was about Johnson, Johnson is a center/RW. Samsonov is not a center or a RW.

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Ryder is not signed right...well maybe Gainey is putting pressure on him and making it seem he can be replaced so he can sign for less. BG you sly dog!

I have a feeling that Ryder will not start the season with the Habs.

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well i speculated kovy might be gone . just like zednik he spoke out toward the club and kovy actually spoke out toward gainey . dont be suprised .


ryder only gainey knows about the arbration case. it's never been a easy signing with ryder .we got to many rw'ers though that for sure



EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED ... so far today this is very true
Gainey said that Samsonov will play with Kovalev so don't worry Kovy is staying

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Let me clarify what Gainey said. When asked whether Johnson would be playing the wing or center (the reporter was hinting if Johnson would replace Ribeiro as center), Gainey said Johnson will be playing RW because they lack depth on the RW. Therefore Ribeiro's role of #2 center will not be comprimised (Unfortunately)

Johnson is capable of playing center and RW, hence the question. Johnson played RW last season in Pheonix and put up pretty respectible numbers too.

Ryder is going nowhere.

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Gainey said that Samsonov will play with Kovalev so don't worry Kovy is staying


glad to hear it . finally we got someone to play alongside kovy

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Let me clarify what Gainey said. When asked whether Johnson would be playing the wing or center (the reporter was hinting if Johnson would replace Ribeiro as center), Gainey said Johnson will be playing RW because they lack depth on the RW. Therefore Ribeiro's role of #2 center will not be comprimised (Unfortunately)

Johnson is capable of playing center and RW, hence the question. Johnson played RW last season in Pheonix and put up pretty respectible numbers too.

Ryder is going nowhere.
my comments had nothing to do with the moves of today.

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07-12-2006, 11:36 PM
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23 man roster Extras are Downey, Streit and Open position
Ok, with that line-up, the 3 extras would be Streit, Downey and Danis. Wouldn't you agree?

Higgins Koivu Ryder
Samsonov Ribeiro Kovalev
Perezhogin Plekanec Johnson
Begin Bonk Murray
Downey

Markov Komi
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my comments had nothing to do with the moves of today.
And mine had nothing to do with yours. I was actually adressing the first page of posts where a lot of questions were raised about right wingers, Johnson as a RW or center, and the fate of Ryder.

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According to this website, which appears to be fairly accurate, Johnson's contract is good through the 2006-07 season. I like that because it will give him extra incentive to play hard to either stay in Montreal [if he ends up liking it] or to leave as a UFA.

http://hockeyanalysis.com/?page_id=329

Overall, I like the signing and the trades. Samsonov is a great skater. He had a few minor injuries last season, and I think he had a more serious injury the season before but appears to have gotten over it. I can't remember the details, but it may have been his back, according to this Boston Globe article from September 2005:

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/...g_to_practice/

I found it interesting that on the Canadiens.com article about signing Samsonov, it mentioned that he lives in Detroit. I wonder why he didn't chose to sign with Detroit, since they have been looking for a scoring winger to replace Shanahan. I know they play a different style of game, but there are not any power forwards left as UFA's now.

Zednik has not returned to the great form he showed in the 2001-02 against the Bruins, when he was clotheslined. I predict that Samsonov will be more productive with the Habs. Mike Johnson is also a good acquisition, because he has good size & speed, plays a good 2-way game, and can fill in at centre if injuries crop up. Hopefully that will put additional pressure on Ribeiro to succeed.


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How long is Jonhson contract status? I know he is set to earn 1.9 next year...Will he become UFA after next year?

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I don't like this at all. Sammy or Ryder are not 3rd liners.

He also stated Johnson is the 3rd line rw'er.

Can Ryder play left wing?
I actually think Ryder is better on the left wing myself.

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Ok, with that line-up, the 3 extras would be Streit, Downey and Danis. Wouldn't you agree?
No need to keep an extra goalie, third extra would be Kosty.

With injuries, along with rotating with guys like Murray, Perez, Ribeiro, Johnson when they are cold, he could get 60 games still.
Danis would get no games as the third goalie, maybe 5 tops.

So it doesn't make sense to carry another goalie.

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Ryder can play the left wing, and has done quite well doing so in the past....

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I think Ryder may possibly be traded now. After his rookie year it took a long time to sign him and that's the case again. In fact, Ryder is taking this to arbitration, which isn't good given that the team basically has to dump on the player to try to convince the arbitrator to award a lower salary. We've all heard the post arbitration stories of players who won't sign with their team again because of what got said by the team at a hearing. Anyway, it seems to me Gainey and Ryder have really different views on his value and Gainey may not want to risk having to either paying what the arbitrator awards, or cutting Ryder loose.

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