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02-20-2013, 11:37 AM
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Why does everybody on other boards think we're playing the trap etc.? Nobody knows what the trap really is.
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We could go 48-0-0 this season and the main board would still say we're terrible. It's not the best place around to have an intelligent hockey conversation.
Most of these people including the general media i.e TSN where raised by non-habs fans during the 70's 80's and 90's. Their hatred of the habs is quite evident so don't even bother trying to have an inteligent conversation about the habs with them.

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I forgot to mention that Brad Richards was the most evident noticeable bad performance made by an opposite player i've seen all year. Dude was responsible for countless bad defensive plays in the Rangers zone and overall seemed uninspired. I could not believe all the PP time he got after his overall crappitude.

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02-20-2013, 12:33 PM
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Awfully lame of the Rags not to be humble in defeat. Kinda feeds into the image of them being pompous pretty boys though, I'm glad they're struggling this season.
How is saying that it was a bad hockey game arrogant (or not humble)? Did you watch the game? The habs won, I commend them for that. This was the kind of game that the Rangers won a bunch of last year, and I didn't apologize for that when it happened; but when you win this sort of game you can't deny what happened on the ice: the habs were the better team, but that was a bad hockey game.

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02-20-2013, 12:35 PM
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How is saying that it was a bad hockey game arrogant (or not humble)? Did you watch the game? The habs won, I commend them for that. This was the kind of game that the Rangers won a bunch of last year, and I didn't apologize for that when it happened; but when you win this sort of game you can't deny what happened on the ice: the habs were the better team, but that was bad hockey game.
People also keep thinking when Torts said Montreal was a bad team he meant overall. He meant that night and he was right.

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02-20-2013, 12:36 PM
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People also keep thinking when Torts said Montreal was a bad team he meant overall. He meant that night and he was right.
And the Rangers were worse. I wouldn't want someone to judge the Rangers on last night, and I certainly won't judge Montreal.

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02-20-2013, 12:53 PM
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Subban is just as much a part of those PP problems as Markov and Diaz. Diaz and Subban get around the same amount of minutes on the PP. Subban actually gets about 45 seconds more than Diaz per game.

Diaz produces a point about every 9 1/2 minutes of PP time. Subban produces a point every 11 minutes of PP ice-time. Markov is around 8 1/2 minutes. Bouillon has played 34 minutes on the Powerplay and has yet to produce a point. Maybe it's time to try a forward back there, or double shift Markov, while giving Subban more of his PK duties?


Montreal really needs to stop playing Boullion on the PP...He has a decent shot but that's it. Not a great passer and doesn't have great vision.

I don;t understand this hug love affair Therien has for Boullion. Granted he plays hard on every shift and he wants to reward him but at some point the numbers don't lie.

I would rotate Diaz Markov and Subban on the PP for the full two minutes
With Bourque Plekanec and Galchenyuk on the first wave and Pacioretty Gionta Cole and Desharnais rotating that second wave.

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02-20-2013, 12:54 PM
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Would love to try Emelin on the PP

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02-20-2013, 12:55 PM
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Would love to try Emelin on the PP
Emelin's shot is exactly like when we had Spacek. It looks really good but is always miles from the net.

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02-20-2013, 12:59 PM
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How is saying that it was a bad hockey game arrogant (or not humble)? Did you watch the game? The habs won, I commend them for that. This was the kind of game that the Rangers won a bunch of last year, and I didn't apologize for that when it happened; but when you win this sort of game you can't deny what happened on the ice: the habs were the better team, but that was a bad hockey game.
Why do other teams' fans come here and annoy us all the time?

Torts called the Habs a bad team. Lundqvist called the Habs boring. That's arrogance.

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02-20-2013, 01:01 PM
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Then why don't we put a forward in there, or better yet, dress 7 D and put Kaberle/Weber in as a PP specialist.

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fair enough...I would agree. don't think we had any of those this year, yet.
It's happened a couple times already.

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02-20-2013, 01:19 PM
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Why do other teams' fans come here and annoy us all the time?

Torts called the Habs a bad team. Lundqvist called the Habs boring. That's arrogance.
1. Nothing I have said is inflammatory. If a fan of another team coming here and merely disagreeing with a Habs fan in a respectful way is annoying to you, then you have a remarkably thin skin.

2. I came here to get a Montreal perspective on the game, and I saw a characterization of Tortarella's comments that I found inaccurate, that's all. It's a discussion board.

3. He didn't call them a bad team, he said they played poorly and that the Rangers played worse. If you have a serious problem with that statement, then I question which game you were watching (you are free to challenge my opinion of the game, but you're going to have a hard time convincing me that what we saw was anything other than a very sloppy affair).

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02-20-2013, 01:31 PM
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1. Nothing I have said is inflammatory. If a fan of another team coming here and merely disagreeing with a Habs fan in a respectful way is annoying to you, then you have a remarkably thin skin.

2. I came here to get a Montreal perspective on the game, and I saw a characterization of Tortarella's comments that I found inaccurate, that's all. It's a discussion board.

3. He didn't call them a bad team, he said they played poorly and that the Rangers played worse. If you have a serious problem with that statement, then I question which game you were watching (you are free to challenge my opinion of the game, but you're going to have a hard time convincing me that what we saw was anything other than a very sloppy affair).
Yeah, I think Habs fans are taking the comments a bit personally. I don't think there's anything wrong with playing a 'boring' game when you're on your 2nd game of a back-to-back on the road. That's how you win the game. There wouldn't have been enough in the tank to go run and gun, and the Rangers (on paper) have more firepower.

That being said, the Tort/Lundqvist comments came off as a little bit douchy. If you are going to comment on another team beating you, something about them earning it, even partially, is usually a more classy way to go about it.

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02-20-2013, 01:34 PM
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1. Nothing I have said is inflammatory. If a fan of another team coming here and merely disagreeing with a Habs fan in a respectful way is annoying to you, then you have a remarkably thin skin.

2. I came here to get a Montreal perspective on the game, and I saw a characterization of Tortarella's comments that I found inaccurate, that's all. It's a discussion board.

3. He didn't call them a bad team, he said they played poorly and that the Rangers played worse. If you have a serious problem with that statement, then I question which game you were watching (you are free to challenge my opinion of the game, but you're going to have a hard time convincing me that what we saw was anything other than a very sloppy affair).
Hab fans are thin skinned. After wins, that is.

After loses.

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02-20-2013, 01:35 PM
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1. Nothing I have said is inflammatory. If a fan of another team coming here and merely disagreeing with a Habs fan in a respectful way is annoying to you, then you have a remarkably thin skin.

2. I came here to get a Montreal perspective on the game, and I saw a characterization of Tortarella's comments that I found inaccurate, that's all. It's a discussion board.

3. He didn't call them a bad team, he said they played poorly and that the Rangers played worse. If you have a serious problem with that statement, then I question which game you were watching (you are free to challenge my opinion of the game, but you're going to have a hard time convincing me that what we saw was anything other than a very sloppy affair).
1. I understand that, I was asking rhetorically because Toronto and Boston fans creep in here all the time.

2. I don't think it's inaccurate. It was pretty arrogant to call the Habs a boring team, or to claim that the team that BEAT YOU played poorly.

3. How much hockey do you watch? I caught the first period and a bit, it was tactical and very well executed defensively.

Besides I was just ranting to my fellow Habs fans, it doesn't pertain to anyone else really.

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02-20-2013, 01:37 PM
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Why do we care what Rangers/Bruins/Leafs/whoever fans think? Or the players? Winning will shut them up quickly enough.
Sometimes when I`m reading Habs posters it`s like they`re begging for approval from other fanbases or have an inferiority complex.

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Hab fans are thin skinned. After wins, that is.

After loses.
No, this time is different. A lot of people upset to see the Habs in 1st place so there's an attempt to discredit them. Comments from Rags were douchy. Then Don Cherry simply tweeting it was a dull game. Yes, technically accurate but guys like Cherry and most on CBC/TSN never have anything good to say about the Habs. Why emphasize it was a boring game instead of saying it was a great effort considering two games in two nights? Why not talk about the fact that we have two rookies ranked #1 and #2 on TSN's list? Why not praise good Canadian boy Carey Price? It seems everyone out East who's not a Habs fan is a hater. Same thing happens to Canucks out West.

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1. I understand that, I was asking rhetorically because Toronto and Boston fans creep in here all the time.

2. I don't think it's inaccurate. It was pretty arrogant to call the Habs a boring team, or to claim that the team that BEAT YOU played poorly.

3. How much hockey do you watch? I caught the first period and a bit, it was tactical and very well executed defensively.

Besides I was just ranting to my fellow Habs fans, it doesn't pertain to anyone else really.
I've watched all but 1 Ranger game this year and I'd say around 7 full games of no-ranger hockey (I have center ice, but I tend to watch a period here, a period there).

The Habs played a fine tactical game, they played gaps well and got in front of shots - I know that game, I'm a Ranger fan. At no point did they scare me, but they controlled their own zone very well - better than the Rangers did.

My point was not to slag the game the Habs played, but to defend the statement that Tortorella made: both teams were unimpressive. Put it this way, if that Marc Staal shot that got blocked and lead to the 3 on none game winning goal had been placed an inch to the right and had ended up pin balling off two players and past Price, would Habs fans be praising what a fine game the Rangers played? No, you'd be in this thread lamenting that you lost a sloppy game on a bad bounce. That is my point, both teams were bad, the Rangers were worse, and it is not arrogant to say that.

Anyway, I will end my input there. I did not come to puck a fight, just to get the Hab fan reaction to the game. I responded when I saw an opinion that I disagreed with, that's all.

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02-20-2013, 02:33 PM
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I've watched all but 1 Ranger game this year and I'd say around 7 full games of no-ranger hockey (I have center ice, but I tend to watch a period here, a period there).

The Habs played a fine tactical game, they played gaps well and got in front of shots - I know that game, I'm a Ranger fan. At no point did they scare me, but they controlled their own zone very well - better than the Rangers did.

My point was not to slag the game the Habs played, but to defend the statement that Tortorella made: both teams were unimpressive. Put it this way, if that Marc Staal shot that got blocked and lead to the 3 on none game winning goal had been placed an inch to the right and had ended up pin balling off two players and past Price, would Habs fans be praising what a fine game the Rangers played? No, you'd be in this thread lamenting that you lost a sloppy game on a bad bounce. That is my point, both teams were bad, the Rangers were worse, and it is not arrogant to say that.

Anyway, I will end my input there. I did not come to puck a fight, just to get the Hab fan reaction to the game. I responded when I saw an opinion that I disagreed with, that's all.
Disagreed. Both teams were really impressive in their defensive play. The offense on both sides had trouble making a dent and imposing themselves.

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No, this time is different. A lot of people upset to see the Habs in 1st place so there's an attempt to discredit them. Comments from Rags were douchy. Then Don Cherry simply tweeting it was a dull game. Yes, technically accurate but guys like Cherry and most on CBC/TSN never have anything good to say about the Habs. Why emphasize it was a boring game instead of saying it was a great effort considering two games in two nights? Why not talk about the fact that we have two rookies ranked #1 and #2 on TSN's list? Why not praise good Canadian boy Carey Price? It seems everyone out East who's not a Habs fan is a hater. Same thing happens to Canucks out West.
I am sure Mr.Molson and the whole management don't give a **** about CBC and CTV commentators.

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No, this time is different. A lot of people upset to see the Habs in 1st place so there's an attempt to discredit them. Comments from Rags were douchy. Then Don Cherry simply tweeting it was a dull game. Yes, technically accurate but guys like Cherry and most on CBC/TSN never have anything good to say about the Habs. Why emphasize it was a boring game instead of saying it was a great effort considering two games in two nights? Why not talk about the fact that we have two rookies ranked #1 and #2 on TSN's list? Why not praise good Canadian boy Carey Price? It seems everyone out East who's not a Habs fan is a hater. Same thing happens to Canucks out West.
Ironically, the more unpopular the Habs are among other fans, the more attractive they are when they play at a road arena because the fans look forward to seeing them defeated. TD Gardens could sell 50,000 tickets to a Habs-Bruins game if the arena had enough seats. Same with Toronto and Philadelphia.

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True, but I thought he meant a key player to our success, not a solid support guy.
I'm not sure if you are old enough to remember the great habs teams, but great teams need great support guys. Often those guys are key players. The great teams and the great GM's (and the great fans huhum...) understand this. I feel (hope!) White will be one of those "key" support guys. Who can do what the team needs (win a key draw, drop the mits, block a shot...)

Of course I might be wrong about Whitey...I'm just a fan really...

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I'm not sure if you are old enough to remember the great habs teams, but great teams need great support guys. Often those guys are key players. The great teams and the great GM's (and the great fans huhum...) understand this. I feel (hope!) White will be one of those "key" support guys. Who can do what the team needs (win a key draw, drop the mits, block a shot...)

Of course I might be wrong about Whitey...I'm just a fan really...
He may grow into that role. I don't know that he is there yet. His
face-off wins this season are looking up, and that is nice to see. Hopefully
he continues to get better at fore-check, PKing, and defense in general.
Finding the line between tough, and taking penalties is obviously needed
as well.
I'm still hopeful that White can become more than a 4th line guy. Or
at least an elite 4th line guy. (maybe that is a silly way to say it )

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Then why don't we put a forward in there, or better yet, dress 7 D and put Kaberle/Weber in as a PP specialist.
***ERROR ERROR ERROR***

I was not Therrien's biggest fan, but the best thing he has done is keep those two from hurting the team.

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