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02-20-2013, 05:35 PM
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From Toronto I'd want either Biggs, Nilsson and two 2nds or Ashton, Finn and two 2nds. And that's at the draft....take a look at what Lindback got, Hiller is much more established as a #1.
You do realize Halak got Eller right? Lindback and Varlamov were much younger, with a better cap hit and could be retained longer due to contract status. Id expect a deal similar to Halak, if not worse, if Hiller is dealt.

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02-20-2013, 05:39 PM
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A 1st and a top 6 forward??????

What are you guys smoking? Average NHL goalies do not return that kind of package.

Look at the Halak trade and its probably something close to that.

With that in mind, Kruger and Johns would be enough.

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02-20-2013, 05:40 PM
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A 1st and a top 6 forward??????

What are you guys smoking? Average NHL goalies do not return that kind of package.

Look at the Halak trade and its probably something close to that.

With that in mind, Kruger and Johns would be enough.
Average? Oh, I see. This is going to be one of those threads.

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02-20-2013, 05:43 PM
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You do realize Halak got Eller right? Lindback and Varlamov were much younger, with a better cap hit and could be retained longer due to contract status. Id expect a deal similar to Halak, if not worse, if Hiller is dealt.
Halak was nowhere near as proven as Hiller at the time he was traded. He also didn't have a contract as the Habs traded him.

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02-20-2013, 05:43 PM
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A 1st and a top 6 forward??????

What are you guys smoking? Average NHL goalies do not return that kind of package.

Look at the Halak trade and its probably something close to that.

With that in mind, Kruger and Johns would be enough.
This is a common misconception.
There's no point using the Halak trade as a precedent unless we're talking about the same GMs and teams doing business, which is not the case. Murray won't trade Hiller for a similar return as Halak, he'll address his teams needs; and the demand is always changing, so the shift in time will change the outcome as well.

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02-20-2013, 05:46 PM
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With that in mind, Kruger and Johns would be enough.
You can have that in mind, but it would not be enough, because it does very little for the Ducks. It's not like we're just dying to instantly get rid of one half of a great tandem that we've been missing for too long. If it's not helping, there isn't any urgency to trade Hiller before 13 months from now.

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02-20-2013, 05:55 PM
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You do realize Halak got Eller right? Lindback and Varlamov were much younger, with a better cap hit and could be retained longer due to contract status. Id expect a deal similar to Halak, if not worse, if Hiller is dealt.
As of right now, Jonas Hiller has exactly double the amount of regular season wins Halak had when he was dealt to St. Louis. Hiller has won 112 regular season games and Halak had 56 wins at the time. Hiller will fetch a bigger return.

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02-20-2013, 06:12 PM
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Hiller has been one of the best performers the Ducks have had in the last three season. He has been average this season but that is due to not playing during the lockout. Same can be said to a couple all star players (Kessel, Perry and Richards) If people are not considering a 1st and a good prospect/top forward than don't bother asking Murray for a trade. Hiller has been know to carrying our team by himself in the last three seasons.

Also I would like to point out Anaheim has one of the best prospect pools in the NHL. Top 10 in fact. Offering Anaheim more prospect isn't going to automatically get you Hiller. Unless you are talking about a for sure prospect that will be in the top 6 or top 4 next season I don't think Anaheim is going to be interested.

Just my two cents.

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02-20-2013, 06:19 PM
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Here's the big issue with trading Jonas Hiller -- he makes $4.5m. That pricetag, means if you're trading for him, it's to be your #1 goalie.

Now ask yourself, who isn't satisfied with their #1 goaltender right now? Toronto certainly is.

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02-20-2013, 06:22 PM
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Here's the big issue with trading Jonas Hiller -- he makes $4.5m. That pricetag, means if you're trading for him, it's to be your #1 goalie.

Now ask yourself, who isn't satisfied with their #1 goaltender right now? Toronto certainly is.
Pfft. Toronto's goalie's will be back in the dog house before you know it.

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02-20-2013, 06:33 PM
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Pfft. Toronto's goalie's will be back in the dog house before you know it.
A possibility... or they could continue to establish themselves. Only time will tell, as only an idiot would trade for a new #1 goalie when his team sv% is over .925.

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02-20-2013, 06:36 PM
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Average? Oh, I see. This is going to be one of those threads.
Been a while since he's been an average goalie in this league, and I'm a huge fan of Hillers.

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Been a while since he's been an average goalie in this league, and I'm a huge fan of Hillers.
I'm not sure what you mean.

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Been a while since he's been an average goalie in this league, and I'm a huge fan of Hillers.
It has been a while, as in "the first half of last year he was below average, and the second half of last year he was significantly above average, so he was never quite average...", right? And before that, he was above average, as well, so yeah, that could stand.

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NYI could use some help. Trade Nabby + good player for him.

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Hiller is average IMO. Nothing more, nothing less. He was well above average before the vertigo, but last year he was average overall, and so far this year he's been below average. This is coming from a Ducks fan. I hope I'm wrong, and he'll return to his pre-vertigo form, but I'm not optimistic about that. I'm happy about the Fasth signing, and hope Hiller is traded in the offseason.

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Average? Oh, I see. This is going to be one of those threads.
Hiller is not a top 10 goalie, and probably barely a top 20 goalie. Average is exactly the right term for him. Sure, when he is on, he is a top goalie in the league, but when hes off he is terrible.
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You can have that in mind, but it would not be enough, because it does very little for the Ducks. It's not like we're just dying to instantly get rid of one half of a great tandem that we've been missing for too long. If it's not helping, there isn't any urgency to trade Hiller before 13 months from now.
That's fine, but the offers wont be much better than that. Especially since goalies aren't a hot commodity to be trading for. Not many teams need a #1 goalie, so not many teams will be bidding on one.

Hiller is most definitely not worth a 1st and a top 6 forward, probably not even a 1st and a top prospect.

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02-20-2013, 07:49 PM
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Hiller is not a top 10 goalie, and probably barely a top 20 goalie. Average is exactly the right term for him. Sure, when he is on, he is a top goalie in the league, but when hes off he is terrible.

That's fine, but the offers wont be much better than that. Especially since goalies aren't a hot commodity to be trading for. Not many teams need a #1 goalie, so not many teams will be bidding on one.

Hiller is most definitely not worth a 1st and a top 6 forward, probably not even a 1st and a top prospect.
What goalie cant you say that about?

Name 20 goalies as good or better than Hiller. Humor me.

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02-20-2013, 07:59 PM
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What goalie cant you say that about?

Name 20 goalies as good or better than Hiller. Humor me.
Rinne, Fleury, Lundqvist, Quick, Kiprusoff, Lehtonen, Luongo, Miller, Ward, Halak, Price

Arguable: Smith, Bryzgalov, Anderson, Brodeur, Crawford, Schneider, Backstrom, Varlamov

As well as a couple others, based on his actual play rather than ability. I'd say he's between 14-18 personally.

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How about Hillier for Bobrovsky and Tyutin?

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How about Hillier for Bobrovsky and Tyutin?
Tyutin doesn't fit. We already have too many top 4 defensemen. What about something along the lines of Hiller for Brassard and a 2nd?


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Rinne, Fleury, Lundqvist, Quick, Kiprusoff, Lehtonen, Luongo, Miller, Ward, Halak, Price

Arguable: Smith, Bryzgalov, Anderson, Brodeur, Crawford, Schneider, Backstrom, Varlamov

As well as a couple others, based on his actual play rather than ability. I'd say he's between 14-18 personally.
Hiller's 6th in career save percentage among active goalies, fwiw

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Tyutin doesn't fit our needs.
was thinking CLB has extra D and the Ducks could use one?

they looking forward then?

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Rinne, Fleury, Lundqvist, Quick, Kiprusoff, Lehtonen, Luongo, Miller, Ward, Halak, Price

Arguable: Smith, Bryzgalov, Anderson, Brodeur, Crawford, Schneider, Backstrom, Varlamov

As well as a couple others, based on his actual play rather than ability. I'd say he's between 14-18 personally.
Hiller is on par or better than a few from your top group and is laughably better than some in your arguable group. Lots of goalie get reputations around here, but their numbers dont back them up. Hiller is the opposite. He is a Top 15 goalie in the NHL, theres not really an argument.

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Any interest in Miller+ for Hiller+Ryan?

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