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02-20-2013, 07:29 PM
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The majority of teams that have talent at center, get their talent through the draft.
Then fire the guy who drafts for us for the last few years?

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02-20-2013, 07:30 PM
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I still wonder if we won't see some of Black's past in Pittsburgh play a hand this summer in counseling Pegula on a Regier replacement.

As far as I know, Craig Patrick is still an "advisor" in Columbus and was working with Howson before the change last week. With Kekalainen now the GM, chances for Patrick assuming that role seem remote - although Davidson was a big fan of Patrick's during their NY Ranger days.

Anyway, I think Patrick was the GM in Pittsburgh when Black was there....someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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02-20-2013, 07:31 PM
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Dreger and LeBrun definitely are reliable, I believe it. If Ruff can get fired, then no one is safe. I'm very surprised that Pegula pulled the trigger, he definitely proved himself in my eyes by doing that.

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02-20-2013, 07:33 PM
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I wonder how much money he gets paid to not have a clue.

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02-20-2013, 07:34 PM
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He's just making a guess here though, doesn't have any inside information, just speculating like us HF posters do.
Was just gonna say this. This isn't a reporter reporting, it's op-ed speculation. I don't say that as a criticism of the piece or of sharing it, but it shouldn't be analyzed as if it were a report on how management feels about Regier's future. As far as speculation, I imagine most people outside of the Sabres world would guess the same thing. I think we Sabres fans would figure a more moderate likelihood: I doubt he has to make the playoffs to keep his job, but he's definitely the one in the hot seat now.


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02-20-2013, 07:37 PM
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Ah. Lame comment. Delete.


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02-20-2013, 07:41 PM
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Was just gonna say this. This isn't a reporting reporting, it's op-ed speculation. I don't say that as a criticism of the piece or of sharing it, but it shouldn't be analyzed as if it were a report on how management feels about Regier's future. As far as speculation, I imagine most people outside of the Sabres world would guess the same thing. I think we Sabres fans would figure a more moderate likelihood: I doubt he has to make the playoffs to keep his job, but he's definitely the one in the hot seat now.
Yes, of course this is just LeBrun's opinion here. My point is that he is a credible voice in the NHL community and if he is saying something like that, it gets my attention.

I also agree with you that Regier may keep his job even if we miss the playoffs, but as you say and as I said up-thread, he is most definitely on the hot seat now.

The next person to go is Regier if things do not progress down the right path.

It's a shame we will have to eat 2 years and probably more of lost progress. Pegula could have and should have cleaned house of Ruff and Regier the day he took ownership. Or shortly thereafter.

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02-20-2013, 07:48 PM
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i disagree

i think regier will be given a chance to build something new...

i think their is a handful of remaining "leaders", that will be gone before ruff.

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02-20-2013, 07:52 PM
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I think the likely answer is "it depends." If they continue looking like this and finish in that 11-15 range, he's probably toast. If they make the playoffs, he's probably safe. I'd say it's 50-50 if the team turns it around, and barely misses, it's 50-50.

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02-20-2013, 07:55 PM
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I think the likely answer is "it depends." If they continue looking like this and finish in that 11-15 range, he's probably toast. If they make the playoffs, he's probably safe. I'd say it's 50-50 if the team turns it around, and barely misses, it's 50-50.
i dont buy it.

it would be foolish to have control of a roster with the sole purpose of making the playoffs THIS year.

the potential that a GM would make "win now" trades, decimate the pipe, and still miss the playoffs, only to leave the next GM a bigger mess.

not smart.

Regier is here for a few more years at least

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02-20-2013, 07:56 PM
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i disagree

i think regier will be given a chance to build something new...

i think their is a handful of remaining "leaders", that will be gone before ruff.
You mean before Regier, right?

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02-20-2013, 07:58 PM
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i disagree

i think regier will be given a chance to build something new...

i think their is a handful of remaining "leaders", that will be gone before ruff.
The man has been here 16 years (!!), what exactly has he done to show that he is a world-class GM? He wins a few trades, drafts fairly well. That's about it. Haven't we seen more than enough??

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You mean before Regier, right?
yea...

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The man has been here 16 years (!!), what exactly has he done to show that he is a world-class GM? He wins a few trades, drafts fairly well. That's about it. Haven't we seen more than enough??
very few GMs put together a contender in it's entirety... he did that once. We are in a similar spot as we were pre lockout... i'd like to see him rebuild again.

i expect him to learn from his mistakes, and recognize a the changes that need to be made... like he did pre lockout.

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very few GMs put together a contender in it's entirety... he did that once. We are in a similar spot as we were pre lockout... i'd like to see him rebuild again.

i expect him to learn from his mistakes, and recognize a the changes that need to be made... like he did pre lockout.
He did, definitely cannot take that away from him. But he had a chance to rebuild again already (starting sometime around 5:00pm on 7/1/07) and we are still in an awful place 6 years later.

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02-20-2013, 08:19 PM
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He did, definitely cannot take that away from him. But he had a chance to rebuild again already (starting sometime around 5:00pm on 7/1/07) and we are still in an awful place 6 years later.
we are in a very good place, if you accept that we should be rebuilding. Look at our young group, and then imagine the moves we can make with some desirable veterans in trade... we could build something special if we commit to building it

an inventory of assets under 25 years old:
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Armia
Pysyk
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02-20-2013, 08:33 PM
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an inventory of assets under 25 years old:
Great perception. And all of those assets are note worthy. With where we are now, I am almost hoping for another top asset.

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He did, definitely cannot take that away from him. But he had a chance to rebuild again already (starting sometime around 5:00pm on 7/1/07) and we are still in an awful place 6 years later.
He did try to rebuild around the rochester core, which wasn't an awful idea at the time...look at the pieces we had then:
Miller
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Our defense wasn't that good, we didn't have any d talent coming up and darcy failed to recognize that they (the rochester core)weren't going to cut it soon enough IMO

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Our defense wasn't that good, we didn't have any d talent coming up and darcy failed to recognize that they (the rochester core)weren't going to cut it soon enough IMO

And right now, we certainly have a dearth of scoring wingers (aside from Armia)......and we have a complete crapshoot in goal.

But, Jame is largely right ---- if this is done right a rebuild should be a relatively quick task given the sheer amount of viable young talent we have stockpiled.

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I don't see how keeping a GM for another year is going to make difference, usually their decisions are based on a 3-5 year outlook

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He did try to rebuild around the rochester core, which wasn't an awful idea at the time...look at the pieces we had then:
Miller
Vanek
Poms
Roy
Connolly
Goose
Staff
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Our defense wasn't that good, we didn't have any d talent coming up and darcy failed to recognize that they (the rochester core)weren't going to cut it soon enough IMO
there is a difference between "rebuilding" and "building around".

Due to previous ownerships handcuffs, they were almost forced into a group of players long term where the only option was to "build around"

that era is coming to an end, and it's time to rebuild properly

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I don't see how keeping a GM for another year is going to make difference, usually their decisions are based on a 3-5 year outlook
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there is a difference between "rebuilding" and "building around".

Due to previous ownerships handcuffs, they were almost forced into a group of players long term where the only option was to "build around"

that era is coming to an end, and it's time to rebuild properly
Good point, and I'm looking forward to this happening

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Those 2 account for about 60% of all genuine breaking NHL news.

Add in Bob McKenzie and that is pretty much the sum total of legitimate NHL breaking news journalism in N. America.
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Great perception. And all of those assets are note worthy. With where we are now, I am almost hoping for another top asset.
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He did try to rebuild around the rochester core, which wasn't an awful idea at the time...look at the pieces we had then:
Miller
Vanek
Poms
Roy
Connolly
Goose
Staff
Better hecht

Our defense wasn't that good, we didn't have any d talent coming up and darcy failed to recognize that they (the rochester core)weren't going to cut it soon enough IMO
We have some nice pieces, but it's nothing special. We are ranked mid-teens system wise, right? I don't think Boston/Philly/Pitts are trembling in fear looking at our future roster. He's had his chance and failed.

I have more faith in Black/Pegula finding a world class GM than Darcy striking oil again.

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