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Bouwmeester expected to net the Flames a "hefty" return

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02-21-2013, 12:58 AM
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The problem is that Feaster won't rebuild the Flames. It seems like they don't understand the concept or grasp the fact that they are a painfully mediocre (to below average) hockey club with a very barren cupboard of top quality prospects.

They should move Bouwmeester, but who knows if they will considering how much they spent last summer in an attempt to improve the team. They're not good enough to make the playoffs and they're not bad enough to draft 1st overall. They're a team stuck in a blackhole, which is the same position the Kings were in until Lombardi came in and took over the team in 2006.
The problem is HF doesn't realize that the ownership won't let him rebuild, it doesn't matter who the GM is until ownership realizes this team blows nothing will change.

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A PMD that hasn't scored more than 5 goals or cracked 30 points in 4 seasons?

Originally, he was traded to Calgary for Leopold and a 3rd rounder. Expiring contract or not. He hasn't gotten any better and failed to match the offensive output he had in Florida.
Your out to lunch. Negotiating rights. Not expiring. Get your facts straight.

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Ridiculous that people are discounting him. He's been playing great this year. Most of these people who think he couldn't get a first and a decent prospect are dreaming.

The only problem is in order to trade Bouwmeester they have to either admit defeat and rebuild or continue on with this charade.

If they trade him for picks/prospects it will be seen as the start of a rebuild.
But if they trade him for a late 20's/30 year old forward then wow what a waste of an asset. Which makes me believe that they won't trade him because I don't think Calgary will admit that they are sellers
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I think you have hit the nail on the head here and the problem is that we would have to more other pieces (Iginla) first in a rebuild scenario.

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good luck with that

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The problem is HF doesn't realize that the ownership won't let him rebuild, it doesn't matter who the GM is until ownership realizes this team blows nothing will change.
If that is the case, they're helpless and Feaster is just a puppet. It seems like not much has changed with the Flames organization since he took over. They're in the same position now as they were then. It amazes me that Ken King is still with the organization.

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The problem is HF doesn't realize that the ownership won't let him rebuild, it doesn't matter who the GM is until ownership realizes this team blows nothing will change.
Then Feaster needs to grow some balls, convince ownership that this team blows, and that he wants to rebuild.

Right now he's just a damn puppet!

Beaten to it.

I think he's afraid that if he tells ownership he wants to rebuild, they'll can his ass just like they did Sutter.


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02-21-2013, 01:07 AM
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]Then Feaster needs to grow some balls[/B], convince ownership that this team blows, and that he wants to rebuild.

Right now he's just a damn puppet!
What is he to do?
a) He tells them they are wrong they fire him and find someone else to do their bidding
b) He does his best to add talent and keep the team competitive in order to keep his job

It doesn't seem like a hard choice.

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Bouwmeester's cap hit is in the range of Doughty, Chara and Boyle.

Let that sink in for a bit.

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What is he to do?
a) He tells them they are wrong they fire him and find someone else to do their bidding
b) He does his best to add talent and keep the team competitive in order to keep his job

It doesn't seem like a hard choice.
And if the team continues to do poorly, they'll can his (and Hartley's) ass anyway. So he might as well admit defeat.

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Bouwmeester's cap hit is in the range of Doughty, Chara and Boyle.

Let that sink in for a bit.
And Phaneuf, and Green.

Also nothing says we won't keep half his cap.

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Jay Bo is a very good defenseman. He'll be a great compliment to any team's top 3. May be a tad overpaid but at least he belongs to that tier of overpaid athletes who are at least good players.
A good defenseman like Campbell was essentially traded for a camp dump because of his haughty cap hit. People saying he could get a "Kovalchukan return" are completely out to lunch, he isn't worth more than a decent prospect, if that much.

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And if the team continues to do poorly, they'll can his (and Hartley's) ass anyway. So he might as well admit defeat.
Again their is no personal benefit for him doing that it makes no sense. I understand that we fans want nothing more than a rebuild but Feaster doesn't have the same attachment to this team he have.

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And Phaneuf, and Green.

Also nothing says we won't keep half his cap.
In that case I think a team desperately in need would give 1st + Young roster player + mid prospect.

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Bouwmeester's cap hit is in the range of Doughty, Chara and Boyle.

Let that sink in for a bit.
Flames can retain cap hit.

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That's more than the Jackets got for Nash. No chance in hell JBo brings that kind of return. I'd say a B level prospect and a 1st at the most.

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Bouwmeester's cap hit is in the range of Doughty, Chara and Boyle.

Let that sink in for a bit.
Only for 1 more year though, unlike Campbell.

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Holmgren in Philly LOooooooves Bouwmeester, so....

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The problem is HF doesn't realize that the ownership won't let him rebuild, it doesn't matter who the GM is until ownership realizes this team blows nothing will change.
Unless the team starts playing better, the ownership will bend. The Flames have always gone on runs before previous deadlines. This year they are quickly falling. With a compressed and shortened season , this is the year to tank.

If things continue on this way for 2 or so weeks more, expect the owners to start entertaining offers.

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Again their is no personal benefit for him doing that it makes no sense. I understand that we fans want nothing more than a rebuild but Feaster doesn't have the same attachment to this team he have.
He's the GM for Christ's sake! He should have a greater attachment.

Feaster knows his and Hartley's job is on the line. If he doesn't approach Ken King and ownership regarding a rebuild soon, they'll both be canned.

No way is this team making the playoffs.


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Bouwmeester's cap hit is in the range of Doughty, Chara and Boyle.

Let that sink in for a bit.
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A good defenseman like Campbell was essentially traded for a camp dump because of his haughty cap hit. People saying he could get a "Kovalchukan return" are completely out to lunch, he isn't worth more than a decent prospect, if that much.

Troll as you might, none of your stated concerns is a real issue. Not only can the Flames retain salary if need be, but as Bouwmeester only has a year left on his contract after this one, term is not an issue, unlike with Campbell who had a high cap hit AND lengthy term left.

Bouwmeester will net a good return if moved. Unlike HF, GM's aren't prejudiced against players simply because they wear a Flames jersey's.

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It'll be a first rounder (in the bottom half) and a good prospect, nothing more.

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Bouwmeester has played well from what I have seen and he can play massive minutes. He's an attractive player right now, even though the contract isn't the prettiest.

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He's the GM for Christ's sake! He should have a greater attachment.

Feaster knows his and Hartley's job is on the line. If he doesn't approach Ken King and ownership regarding a rebuild soon, they'll both be canned.

No way is this team making the playoffs anytime soon.
Maybe he has and maybe he was refused and told to keep going with the 're-tooling' process. Maybe the owners still believe things can turn around, but it's only if things get bad enough will they authorize Feaster to sell. In any case, the Flames wouldn't start selling now, they would start at the deadline. Lots of time until then. There's no sense in making panic moves.

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02-21-2013, 01:33 AM
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while their at it put up iginla kiprusoff, giordano and cammalleri. they could get a lot of futures.

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You're not getting a 25 minute, smooth skating, puck-moving 1st pairing defenceman for a "2nd."
His -21 last year isn't real nice...

It's true Jay-Bo is a good offensive defenseman, but his play in his own end is what will keep teams from giving up a large sum for him.

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