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View Poll Results: A quarter of the way through the 2013 season, do you approve or disapprove of Torts?
Approve 168 50.45%
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02-20-2013, 09:26 PM
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Except with the Rangers that one shot typically misses.

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My opinion of Torts:

He's an *******.

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02-20-2013, 09:32 PM
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Just curious, those of you who voted No, which coach in the NHL do you think would fix this team and why?

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02-20-2013, 09:32 PM
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A major problem is that the powerplay is infuriatingly bad. I could easily say that the Rangers could have an extra 4 or so wins if the powerplay was good.

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I think the Rangers are in the middle of the perfect storm right now.

You guys really overachieved last year, which gave some guys a false sense they "made it" in the league and forgot about the work and determination to get there. Add in the vezina winner goalie in Lundqvist that bails out most of the team's mistakes, and the arrival of Nash, the "missing piece," and suddenly a lot of guys thought they could hide behind the duo and let them carry the team.

Then add in the New York factor - when things are going well you have tons of media and fans inflating the ego of everyone, all the business opportunities and other New York distractions, etc.

Put it all together and you have a team of guys who pretty much lost a lot of their work ethic and conditioning over the summer and lockout, who's minds are filled more with distractions than what they need to do on the ice.

As much as I wonder about the coaching staff and their dual personalities (being so prepared before games yet unable to adjust during a game...how does that happen?)....firing the coaching staff and bringing in new guys won't solve anything.

Lock these players in the gym with a drill sergent for the rest of the season and take away their phones and computers. Try to get back that work ethic they had last year.

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02-20-2013, 09:48 PM
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Just curious, those of you who voted No, which coach in the NHL do you think would fix this team and why?
The Tortorella who coached the Lightning would be perfect for this team.

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02-20-2013, 09:52 PM
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NYR 2009–10 82 38 33 - 11 87 4th in Atlantic -- -- -- Missed Playoffs
NYR 2010–11 82 44 33 - 5 93 3rd in Atlantic 1 4 .200 Lost in First Round (WSH)
NYR 2011–12 82 51 24 - 7 109 1st in Atlantic 10 10 .500 Lost in Conference Finals (NJD)

Just showing Tort's record as a full NY coach. I do agree that the PP is dog ****.
But only 15 games into the season, and being 8-6-1 isn't bad. Especially when our team consists of new forwards. Asham, Halpern, Kreider, Power, Nash, Miller, Pyatt. More than 50 percent of the forwards are new. I'm not surprised they aren't clicking right now.

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02-20-2013, 10:25 PM
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NYR 200910 82 38 33 - 11 87 4th in Atlantic -- -- -- Missed Playoffs
NYR 201011 82 44 33 - 5 93 3rd in Atlantic 1 4 .200 Lost in First Round (WSH)
NYR 201112 82 51 24 - 7 109 1st in Atlantic 10 10 .500 Lost in Conference Finals (NJD)

Just showing Tort's record as a full NY coach. I do agree that the PP is dog ****.
But only 15 games into the season, and being 8-6-1 isn't bad. Especially when our team consists of new forwards. Asham, Halpern, Kreider, Power, Nash, Miller, Pyatt. More than 50 percent of the forwards are new. I'm not surprised they aren't clicking right now.
This sums it all up perfectly.. We don't need drastic measures with trades for ROR etc...... We made our big trade already.. Wee just need more games under our belt and more effort consistently.. That last word, consistency is the hardest thing for any pro athlete and team to accomplish.... We get hard work and effort and do the little things right everything will fall into place... LGR!!!

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02-20-2013, 10:31 PM
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A major problem is that the powerplay is infuriatingly bad. I could easily say that the Rangers could have an extra 4 or so wins if the powerplay was good.
How about decent. It's not even middle of the pack.

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02-20-2013, 10:37 PM
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The Tortorella who coached the Lightning would be perfect for this team.
Wasn't that the coach we hired?

An all defensive coach followed by an all defensive coach in Renney was the last thing the fans and I'm sure Sather was looking for.

That's why I asked earlier, what happened that offensive/open system that was suppose to be John Tortorella.

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02-21-2013, 09:07 AM
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Has the coach tried everything to get the best out of his players? Are high profile 'stars' on this team performing below what we expect ? Look at the threads, complaints about pretty much everyone not named Callahan.

My question is this - when will this coach and organization get it? You can't make this entire team into Callahans !


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02-21-2013, 09:19 AM
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Has the coach tried everything to get the best out of his players? Are high profile 'stars' on this team performing below what we expect ? Look at the threads, complaints about pretty much everyone not named Callahan.

My question is this - when will this coach and organization get it? You can't make this entire team into Callahans !
I don't think it's even about that, but more so with players buying into the system. If you go back to last year's 24/7, it seems like Torts had trouble getting players to buy into it.

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02-21-2013, 09:23 AM
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I don't think it's even about that, but more so with players buying into the system. If you go back to last year's 24/7, it seems like Torts had trouble getting players to buy into it.
That what I'm saying. This system works great for Ryan Callahans of the world, what about the actual guys you pay top dollars??

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02-21-2013, 09:30 AM
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That what I'm saying. This system works great for Ryan Callahans of the world, what about the actual guys you pay top dollars??
That's the conflict. They have to either buy into it or force their game and end up playing like ****.

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02-21-2013, 09:32 AM
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After watching some games from around the league it is very confusing as to why this team always looks so slow.

We supposedly have 2 of the fastest skaters in the NHL with Gaborik and Hags. Krieder is pretty fast, cally can skate, McD etc

but we always look so methodical. I don't know if that is the system or something else but when watching other teams with lesser rosters it jumps out at you immediately. The tape to tape passing is another thing but cant really pin that on a system.

It makes me wonder what they work on in Practice. When the season started and the PP was going poorly some folks were tweeting the beat writers about it. The writers essentially said it isn't something they work on during practice. I found that odd.

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02-21-2013, 09:36 AM
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There is so much natural skill on defense and in net for the Rangers. They act like they have an empty net the way they handle the puck in the offensive zone.

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That's the conflict. They have to either buy into it or force their game and end up playing like ****.
And then you have to ask, well why is the PP so ineffective?? Maybe cause the chemistry 5 on 5 carries over to the PP. No ?

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02-21-2013, 09:39 AM
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The PP is crap because they can't win faceoffs and they seemingly forgot how to skate the puck into the zone. Dumping the puck is worthless if you can't get the puck back.

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02-21-2013, 09:42 AM
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The PP is crap because they can't win faceoffs and they seemingly forgot how to skate the puck into the zone. Dumping the puck is worthless if you can't get the puck back.
What about the horrendous play when they do control the puck ? Its just as bad.

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you guys are reading way to much into this system.. the point is to put pressure in the attacking zone and create turnovers... thats whats grinding is all about.. controlling and maintaining control of the puck below the hash marks.. every team has some form of this system.. the difference is the defensive side and neutral zone systems that set teams apart.. transition game, etc...

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What about the horrendous play when they do control the puck ? Its just as bad.
That can be attributed to the fact that we don't have anyone capable of hitting the net with a one-timer.

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With Nash future status unknown dont expect any offense Comjng . NYR are going to be packing the box and playing ultra conservative in order to hopefully not fall out of it until his status changes .
Expect tightly checked low risk games in who h the NYR hope to win 2-1

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That can be attributed to the fact that we don't have anyone capable of hitting the net with a one-timer.
Okay we don't have a bomb of a shot, so you adapt. Use your speed, use quick passes, move, rotate, theres plenty you can do besides bomb away opposing goalies on the PP.

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Okay we don't have a bomb of a shot, so you adapt. Use your speed, use quick passes, move, rotate, theres plenty you can do besides bomb away opposing goalies on the PP.
Preaching to the choir here.

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Preaching to the choir here.
Of course. But I don't know if its all on the players shoulders.

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