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02-21-2013, 07:30 AM
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You guys realize when Brooks says he's not trying to "fan the fuels" he is trying to do EXACTLY that.

This rumor all started with Brooks speculating by using the Rangers excuse for Nash not showing up to the season ticket holder event. The Rangers using the excuse that Nash was sick after missing ONE practice is the BASIS for this rumor....nothing more. Yet, we have more evidence it isn't a concussion BASED on Nash finishing the game against Boston, playing against the Islanders, playing against the Caps, and practicing Monday AFTER the Caps game. The Rangers don't disclose day to day injuries (see Girardi) but do disclose longterm injuries (see Powe) yet we have so called fans ready to jump off the 59th street bridge because the Rangers won't disclose an injury. It makes no sense. What if Nash has an inner ear infection and can't fly? What if he has a pneumonia and can't fly? What if Nash is having platelet therapy for a groin injury tomorrow and Friday and can't fly? See that's just three reason Nash won't fly to Ottawa. Also, what evidence does Brooks have that you can't fly with a concussion? Is that some sort of circumstantial evidence that somebody has a concussion OR is that an actual restriction based on medical evidence? Didn't the Rangers fly concussed players to Montreal for YEARS to see Dr Karen Johnson. Oh no, wait she's practices medicine in Montreal and that's where Nash might fly Saturday. That must mean Nash has a concussion! Yup, that's the mentality of this board.....

If Nash is "banged" up with a groin injury and the Rangers know he isn't going to play against Ottawa it would make more sense for him not to travel and get treatment in New York. Jim Ramsey isn't the only member of the Rangers medical staff.

I swear some fans are such masochists they are hoping that this is a concussion. They want to be miserable. They want to see a conspiracy in everything. Who knows what the truth is but to ASS-U-ME it's a concussion is stupid. Brooks is playing you guys and in this day with twitter and news traveling so fast from message boards etc nobody will hold Brooks accountable if this rumor HE started isn't true. I hope some fans remember this if Nash plays Saturday night.
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Can't disagree. But, we are Ranger fans. It's panic first, think much later.

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02-21-2013, 08:50 AM
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big boy my @ss. I'm sure guys like you thought differently when Savard and Bergeron got tagged. Lucic is going to get his bell rung one day and its going to be good
You have got to be kidding. You're comparing that hit to this?



And to this?



Whether Nash has a concussion, and whether it occurred because of the Lucic hit, AFAIK has yet to be determined. But hockey players get hurt all the time, even on clean hits. David Krejci was concussed on this hit by T.J. Oshie:



I love Krejci, but that's not dirty. As Andy Brickley said, that's hockey. Same with the hit on Nash.

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02-21-2013, 08:52 AM
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You have got to be kidding. You're comparing that hit to this?



And to this?



Whether Nash has a concussion, and whether it occurred because of the Lucic hit, AFAIK has yet to be determined. But hockey players get hurt all the time, even on clean hits. David Krejci was concussed on this hit by T.J. Oshie:



I love Krejci, but that's not dirty. As Andy Brickley said, that's hockey. Same with the hit on Nash.
So you think hitting someone directly from behind and using your forearm to smash their head against the glass is "hockey"? What are you referring to, Slap Shot?

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02-21-2013, 09:05 AM
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The hits on Savard and Bergeron were not the same type of hit, but the intent to injure a star player was there. Lucic is good player, but he's a dirty, nasty player. Cooke and Jones don't share his talents, but they have the same ******* qualities.

The sport has always seen it's talents neutralized by lesser players in the game through physical play, but the head targeting is a recent phenomenon. If i give someone a concussion on the street, i go to jail, but a dirtbag in a Bruins, Flyers, uniform can do it and it's "big boy hockey".

The fact that Cooke still plays in the NHL is a testament to the fact that this league is total BS! The ultimate irony is that the leagues dirtiest player is on the same roster as it's poster boy star crybaby.

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So you think hitting someone directly from behind and using your forearm to smash their head against the glass is "hockey"? What are you referring to, Slap Shot?
You're describing the hit on Bergeron, right? Agreed, that's not hockey. Bergeron was badly hurt. The "that's hockey" comment refers to Oshie's hit on Krejci. Krejci was concussed because he hit his head on the dasher when he fell. Oshie's hit was not illegal.

If you're referring to the hit on Nash, you have got to be joking. Lucic's point of contact is with his upper arm on Nash's upper arm/shoulder. Lucic wasn't "directly" behind Nash, they were parallel to each other. If Lucic HAD been directly behind Nash and smashed his head into the glass, Nash would have been carried off on a stretcher.


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The hits on Savard and Bergeron were not the same type of hit, but the intent to injure a star player was there. Lucic is good player, but he's a dirty, nasty player. Cooke and Jones don't share his talents, but they have the same ******* qualities.

The sport has always seen it's talents neutralized by lesser players in the game through physical play, but the head targeting is a recent phenomenon. If i give someone a concussion on the street, i go to jail, but a dirtbag in a Bruins, Flyers, uniform can do it and it's "big boy hockey".

The fact that Cooke still plays in the NHL is a testament to the fact that this league is total BS! The ultimate irony is that the leagues dirtiest player is on the same roster as it's poster boy star crybaby.
Wow, you're actually comparing Jones and Lucic to Matt Cooke? Don't forget Oshie and Giroux, they caused concussions too. Or do theirs not count because it was Bruins they concussed?

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You're describing the hit on Bergeron, right? Agreed, that's not hockey. Bergeron was badly hurt.

If you're referring to the hit on Nash, you have got to be joking. Lucic's point of contact is with his upper arm on Nash's upper arm/shoulder. Lucic wasn't "directly" behind Nash, they were parallel to each other. If Lucic HAD been directly behind Nash and smashed his head into the glass, Nash would have been carried off on a stretcher.
Lucic is driving Nash into the boards from behind, and there is a follow up on Nash's head into the board at the very end of the play from Lucic's arm.

I can see how much you love this guy from your profile pic. you're not biased nope...

btw your detective work sucks, go to your own board post your Lucic videos.

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02-21-2013, 09:22 AM
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Wow, you're actually comparing Jones and Lucic to Matt Cooke? Don't forget Oshie and Giroux, they caused concussions too. Or do theirs not count because it was Bruins they concussed?
i'm comparing their "intent to injure" with the hits they've made. The Oshie hit by the way, wasn't as clean a play as you are portraying. It's a clear shoulder to head hit, what difference does it make if Oshie isn't a career "dirty player".

Should we only prosecute criminals that commit repeated felonies and let the guys who only kill once go freely?

do you have any sense of right and wrong?

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02-21-2013, 09:34 AM
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“@TheNYRBlog: This wk NYR have said Nash is sick, needs maintenance day, is banged up & looks healthy. Heres a Nash injury timeline http://t.co/mo3CqnISL8”

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02-21-2013, 09:47 AM
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“@TheNYRBlog: This wk NYR have said Nash is sick, needs maintenance day, is banged up & looks healthy. Heres a Nash injury timeline http://t.co/mo3CqnISL8”
All Lucic's fault, no doubt.

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All Lucic's fault, no doubt.

Cheers.
That idiot probably forgot to wash his hands.

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nothing wrong at all with the lucic hit.

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Lucic hit was a clean hit...he is a dirty player at times but not this time

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I think if you've been coming to this board for a while, you know that you can't get too wrapped up in the negativity that's generated here and how it takes on a life of its own, snowballing throughout the forum.

Sure there are a lot of things to be upset about, how a rookie, injury, line combos etc. are handled but the fact of the matter is we are so far away from the inner workings of the decision making that it is all speculation for the most part. And really, that's what a forum is all about and should be about.

I do, however, think that a decent amount of posters try to keep perspective and find the middle ground on issues. People get pissed after a bad loss and get down, get high after a winning streak or a great win - but the major issues and realities of this team always seem to dominate the discussion and usually reside somewhere in the middle of that emotional rainbow.

That being said it would be foolish to expect a majority of us to temper our enthusiasm when things are good and not get too irrational when things go bad. I just think some of us take it all a little too seriously and contribute to the snowball. If the amount of negativity bothers you, you should ignore the posts you think pass the line and keep it in your mind that its usually no where near as bad in reality. (or good in some cases)

So that leads us to this Nash injury. Plainly speaking I dont think its a concussion simply because i refuse to read between the lines. He's played games, has done interviews, practiced and come out to take warmups. That leads me to believe its a body injury. Plain and simple. You do not "test" a concussion in warmups before a game. You either have a headache and feel like **** or not...

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So that leads us to this Nash injury. Plainly speaking I dont think its a concussion simply because i refuse to read between the lines. He's played games, has done interviews, practiced and come out to take warmups. That leads me to believe its a body injury. Plain and simple. You do not "test" a concussion in warmups before a game. You either have a headache and feel like **** or not...

extremely well said.

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The Lucic hit was clean. Don't get your panties in a twist just because Nash took a hard hit.

If roles were reversed then our fans would be defending Nash...

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There is nothing wrong with the Lucic hit.

We love to make **** out of nothing around here.

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So that leads us to this Nash injury. Plainly speaking I dont think its a concussion simply because i refuse to read between the lines. He's played games, has done interviews, practiced and come out to take warmups. That leads me to believe its a body injury. Plain and simple. You do not "test" a concussion in warmups before a game. You either have a headache and feel like **** or not...
This is more logical, but we do have recent history of Marc Staal who played several weeks with a concussion before the effects got worse.

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think there is something more than a groin injury here. I don't think that would be "alarmist" behavior.

You have a head shot on video, you have the player complaining of not feeling well, you have recent history(staal) of the rangers mis handling this, you have Brooks (far more connected to the team than any of us) basically telling us it's a concussion, and you have the Rangers saying nothing. I know they don't dicslose injuries, but it would be very easy for them to put their entire fan base at easy by saying "Not a head injury".

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This is more logical, but we do have recent history of Marc Staal who played several weeks with a concussion before the effects got worse.

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think there is something more than a groin injury here. I don't think that would be "alarmist" behavior.

You have a head shot on video, you have the player complaining of not feeling well, you have recent history(staal) of the rangers mis handling this, you have Brooks (far more connected to the team than any of us) basically telling us it's a concussion, and you have the Rangers saying nothing. I know they don't dicslose injuries, but it would be very easy for them to put their entire fan base at easy by saying "Not a head injury".
Just to play devil's advocate for a second:

You have a potentially dangerous hit that everyone, including the team's training staff is well aware of. If it was dangerous enough that a journalist thought it could produce a concussion, I'd bet that the people who's entire job is to look after the health of NYR players had the same thoughts and tested him.

You have a player complaining about not feeling well in the middle of the winter in a condensed schedule after having groin trouble in the lockout - he could have a cold, he could have the flu, he could have aggravated his groin - could be anything.

You have an organization who mishandled a concussion with Staal and almost certainly learned from that experience and doesn't want to make that mistake again.

You have a journalist who writes for a gossip rag, who's job is to sell papers and attract hits to their website, dancing around the idea that Nash might have a concussion and attracting a ton of attention to himselk, AKA, doing his job.

And you have the Rangers act as they do with every injury, including Girardi's a week or so ago.

Could be anything.

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There is nothing wrong with the Lucic hit.

We love to make **** out of nothing around here.
Yeah. After 120 posts here during the less-than-one-month you've been here, I'm sure you know what we do on this board.

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big boy my @ss. I'm sure guys like you thought differently when Savard and Bergeron got tagged. Lucic is going to get his bell rung one day and its going to be good
Lucic's hit was not from behind ( Jones on Bergeron ) nor was it targeting the head ( Cooke on Savard ) and Nash did not leave on a stretcher ( both Savard and Bergeron ).

I can't believe that with even slow-mo evidence, you still think that this is a dirty play. Lucic clearly hits him in the shoulder from the side and rides the shoulder up as they go into the boards. That's a textbook hit and collision involving two big guys.

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Yeah. After 120 posts here during the less-than-one-month you've been here, I'm sure you know what we do on this board.
Honestly, I think someone could get a pretty good idea within an hour.

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Yeah. After 120 posts here during the less-than-one-month you've been here, I'm sure you know what we do on this board.
I didnt lurk before I signed up.

The armchair fantasy GMing that some people do is real cute though. Might as well get a dollhouse and a few barbies. Its just as imaginary and just as effective.

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Yeah. After 120 posts here during the less-than-one-month you've been here, I'm sure you know what we do on this board.
Sounds like he's got a pretty good handle on it.

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No one is saying whether No. 61 is suffering post-concussion symptoms,” Brooks wrote. “Perhaps more to the point, no one is saying he isn’t.”

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This is the most idiotic logic.

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