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02-20-2013, 05:55 PM
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This is pretty much how I see it as well. His offensive stats will not help his value, but he has played very well lately. Since the Oilers have talent to fill the top 4 winger spots they need to develop some good but cheap bottom six players. So while it was not what was predicted he could still turn out to be a very valuable contributor.

As to Jon Blum, I'd pass. The 2010-2011 version had a lot of value, but his play seemed to regress a lot last year. I have not seen him play this year so I might be wrong but his TOI numbers suggest that he has still not really etablished himself. (Has he been hurt?) At 24 that is a bit of a concern. So while I like him as a player I would not want the Oilers to trade Paajarvi for him.

That said I am surprised that Paajarvi would be a guy that the Preds might covet.
Blum has been surprisingly good this year. I've been on the trading Blum wagon since he came to the Preds and had a regression type season when were hoping for him to be a huge talent. With that said, he's doing well and as far as an injury, I don't think he had one, he just lost a lot of confidence and unfortunately for him Josi and Ellis stepped up. Which I'm fine with, but I still believe he has good trade value and wouldn't be bad wherever he goes, if he does get moved.

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Paajarvi is a guy I'd think would thrive in Nashville.

But considering the lack of decent defensive forward options in Edmonton's system, you'd have to overpay to get him. Simple as that.

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02-20-2013, 06:31 PM
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Right now realistically it would cost Zack Budish, and Austin Watson, but we know that's not going to happen like the Oilers will trade MPS.

Oilers need his size in the line up, and he's turning out to be a 3rd line forward that's good at the PK.

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02-20-2013, 06:40 PM
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Right now realistically it would cost Zack Budish, and Austin Watson, but we know that's not going to happen like the Oilers will trade MPS.

Oilers need his size in the line up, and he's turning out to be a 3rd line forward that's good at the PK.
then we have little use for him as this we have to many of now as is

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02-20-2013, 06:59 PM
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This is pretty much how I see it as well. His offensive stats will not help his value, but he has played very well lately. Since the Oilers have talent to fill the top 4 winger spots they need to develop some good but cheap bottom six players. So while it was not what was predicted he could still turn out to be a very valuable contributor.

As to Jon Blum, I'd pass. The 2010-2011 version had a lot of value, but his play seemed to regress a lot last year. I have not seen him play this year so I might be wrong but his TOI numbers suggest that he has still not really etablished himself. (Has he been hurt?) At 24 that is a bit of a concern. So while I like him as a player I would not want the Oilers to trade Paajarvi for him.

That said I am surprised that Paajarvi would be a guy that the Preds might covet.
Blum had a sophomore slump, no doubt. But he is back at the level he was at during 2010-2011, if not higher. We'll see how long he keeps it up, but he looks very different compared to the start of last season. Now it's just a numbers game. Josi and Ellis are that good. Also, 24 years old is not old at all for a dman. We've been spoiled lately with Doughtys and Karlssons, because typically dman take at least 5 years to develop.

Nashville passes on a MPS for Blum swap.

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02-20-2013, 08:01 PM
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Paajarvi, Teubert and Edmonton's 1st 2014 for Ellis

Whitney will likely be gone from EDM soon enough and we need another offensive puck carrying Dman.

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No way is Nashville ready to give up on Blum already.

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Paajarvi, Teubert and Edmonton's 1st 2014 for Ellis

Whitney will likely be gone from EDM soon enough and we need another offensive puck carrying Dman.
What is this? I don't even.

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Paajarvi is a guy I'd think would thrive in Nashville.

But considering the lack of decent defensive forward options in Edmonton's system, you'd have to overpay to get him. Simple as that.
I highly doubt Poile is willing to overpay for a guy like MPS. There just isn't the need in Nashville. When he overpaid for Gaustad he was trying to solidify the PK (also brought in Gill) and get some more depth in the bottom six.

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Right now realistically it would cost Zack Budish, and Austin Watson, but we know that's not going to happen like the Oilers will trade MPS.

Oilers need his size in the line up, and he's turning out to be a 3rd line forward that's good at the PK.
Yeah that definitely isn't going to happen. I'd rather hang on to both of those guys at the moment.

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Blum had a sophomore slump, no doubt. But he is back at the level he was at during 2010-2011, if not higher. We'll see how long he keeps it up, but he looks very different compared to the start of last season. Now it's just a numbers game. Josi and Ellis are that good. Also, 24 years old is not old at all for a dman. We've been spoiled lately with Doughtys and Karlssons, because typically dman take at least 5 years to develop.

Nashville passes on a MPS for Blum swap.
Definitely. Blum for MPS is terrible value for Nashville.

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Paajarvi, Teubert and Edmonton's 1st 2014 for Ellis

Whitney will likely be gone from EDM soon enough and we need another offensive puck carrying Dman.
Wow... I mean, as much as I like Ellis I'd have to take that package, but Edmonton would never offer it.

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02-20-2013, 09:17 PM
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Paajarvi, Teubert and Edmonton's 1st 2014 for Ellis

Whitney will likely be gone from EDM soon enough and we need another offensive puck carrying Dman.
Absolutely brutal offer, no way the Oilers do this.

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MPS isn't anything we don't have already.
And he's something the Oilers don't have much of. His size and defensive game is something the Oilers can't really afford to be giving up. Paajarvi is going to be very important to this Edmonton team going forward.

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Guys, stop throwing Blum's name out there. We've got Klefbom coming to North America this season. I'd rather see him start the year in the AHL, my money is on him starting the year in the NHL.

Musil isn't too far behind, either.

I agree with most people saying that MPS is only getting traded if he's part of a package to land us a big fish.

He's big, fast as Coglinano, elite defensively and his physical game has really picked up since the beginning of this season when he was playing in the AHL. I like having him and Hartikainen on the roster full time. Gives us a much more complete mix of players.

IMO MPS gets packed with something to land us an upgrade on the blueline or an elite checking line center.

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maybe something around gaustad assuming hes back in regular shape

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Paajarvi, Teubert and Edmonton's 1st 2014 for Ellis

Whitney will likely be gone from EDM soon enough and we need another offensive puck carrying Dman.
Whaaaaaaaaaaa?


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Absolutely brutal offer, no way the Oilers do this.
You clearly don't understand how good Ellis is. The 1st may have been to much, but with the loss of Suter I doubt Nashville would be inclined to trade him for anything less than an overpayment.

Ellis would thrive in a system like Edmonton and give us another option on the PP aside from Schultz.

I may be an Ellis Homer, but I also value Teubert really low.

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Blum had a sophomore slump, no doubt. But he is back at the level he was at during 2010-2011, if not higher. We'll see how long he keeps it up, but he looks very different compared to the start of last season. Now it's just a numbers game. Josi and Ellis are that good. Also, 24 years old is not old at all for a dman. We've been spoiled lately with Doughtys and Karlssons, because typically dman take at least 5 years to develop.

Nashville passes on a MPS for Blum swap.
Well its seems from what several Nashville posters say that he has found his game. That's good, as I like him as a player.

I agree that 24 is not old for a defenseman but if you have someone that age who has yet to establish himself in the NHL his trade value is somewhat diminished. For one thing you have little roster flexibility with such a player since you can't waive him anymore. This is why if he is to be traded it is important that he has refound his game because who ever trades for him will pretty much have to have an immediate need for him.

Still from and Oilers perspective I doubt they would trade Paajarvi for Blum. Like Blum, Paajarvi has played very well this year. He has two game winning goals but really it has been his defensive work both at ES, his forechecking and his time on the pk that have been the big pluses.

Paajarvi is 6'3" and 205lbs. And while he had played fairly timid in his first two years he is starting to show real signs that he can play physically. When he does he is quite effective because he is actually very strong. Combine that with his speed and a natural ability to play solid defense and what you have is the potential for at the very least a very good third line winger.

He is never going to be a big goal scorer, but he did score 15 goals and had 34 points as a rookie. He is also a pretty decent playmaker. So what the Oilers have in Paajarvi is a kid with size and speed, who can play either wing. He may be best suited for 3rd line duty but he could certainly move up if necessary. For a team like Edmonton with Hall, Eberle, Yakupov and Hemsky on the wing, a guy Paajarvi is starting to look like a very valuable complementary piece.

The other issue with Blum is that he is a relatively small RH pmd. Right now the Oilers have J. Schultz and Jeff Petry on the RHS. What they really need in the long term is a solid two way defensman LHD with size to eventually play with Justin Scultz. And that player may very well be Oscar Klefbom.

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Prior to the beginning of this season, a Blum/MPS swap would have been perfect for both teams. The value for both players was easily the lowest it had ever been. Nashville needed an offensively minded forward and Edmonton needed a solid defenseman.

I would have been all over Blum for MPS before this season, but now Blum appears to have rebounded from his sophomore slump. MPS hasn't really done anything to get his trade value back up to what it used to be.

We'll keep Blum for now.

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You clearly don't understand how good Ellis is. The 1st may have been to much, but with the loss of Suter I doubt Nashville would be inclined to trade him for anything less than an overpayment.

Ellis would thrive in a system like Edmonton and give us another option on the PP aside from Schultz.

I may be an Ellis Homer, but I also value Teubert really low.
I'm not the only one that thinks your proposal is bad. Why would any team give up a 1st+ for a third pairing D, that is a power play specialist. If you have watch the Oilers, you would see that the PP is not the problem and the team relies on their D for the toughness the forwards lack. Ellis plays protected 3rd pairing minutes and the PP, and a SMURF defense-man would be the last thing the Oilers need, especially with what they have coming up the pipe line. Ellis would get eaten alive by opposing teams in the Oilers system.

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Hahaha, that's funny. Blum and a pick, when Blum is playing like 14 minutes a game, not even in every game?

Look, if you want MPS, we're not going to just accept the crap you don't want.

You give value to get value. And Blum's 14 minutes a game, even despite his nice scoring, is not enough. Paajarvi plays 14 minutes/game on a reasonably solid defensive team, and was a 35 point scorer in his rookie year. He projects to be somebody like Dvorak-- strong at both ends.

Spaling is a piece that interests me as a bottom 6 replacement of MPS, or Yip to be honest, albeit nowhere near as good nor with as much potential. And another decent young d-man who's either in the league or on the verge of it. Blum or Klein maybe. And Edmonton would add a d-man to that mix and picks could be worked out.

You're not gonna get Paajarvi for table scraps though, that's for damn sure.

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I'm not the only one that thinks your proposal is bad. Why would any team give up a 1st+ for a third pairing D, that is a power play specialist. If you have watch the Oilers, you would see that the PP is not the problem and the team relies on their D for the toughness the forwards lack. Ellis plays protected 3rd pairing minutes and the PP, and a SMURF defense-man would be the last thing the Oilers need, especially with what they have coming up the pipe line. Ellis would get eaten alive by opposing teams in the Oilers system.
you clearly have no idea how good Ellis is or will be...none..

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Hahaha, that's funny. Blum and a pick, when Blum is playing like 14 minutes a game, not even in every game?

Look, if you want MPS, we're not going to just accept the crap you don't want.

You give value to get value. And Blum's 14 minutes a game, even despite his nice scoring, is not enough. Paajarvi plays 14 minutes/game on a reasonably solid defensive team, and was a 35 point scorer in his rookie year. He projects to be somebody like Dvorak-- strong at both ends.

Spaling is a piece that interests me as a bottom 6 replacement of MPS, or Yip to be honest, albeit nowhere near as good nor with as much potential. And another decent young d-man who's either in the league or on the verge of it. Blum or Klein maybe. And Edmonton would add a d-man to that mix and picks could be worked out.

You're not gonna get Paajarvi for table scraps though, that's for damn sure.
I was talking about the Klein proposal. Klein is a proven 2nd pairing defender signed to a sweetheart contract, he's not getting moved for an unproven forward.

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you clearly have no idea how good Ellis is or will be...none..
Yes I do, but I don't see a 5'10 Smurf D a option for the Oilers. The Oilers have a problem with the lack of size with their forwards and they don't need one with their D.

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MPS(+) for Craig Smith

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I doubt there is any deal that both teams will agree to. Better of just holding on to our own guys.

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Yes I do, but I don't see a 5'10 Smurf D a option for the Oilers. The Oilers have a problem with the lack of size with their forwards and they don't need one with their D.
Being short doesn't mean he's not gonna be great. I wouldn't trade Ellis for Mps straight up.

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