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02-20-2013, 10:56 PM
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Ron Hextall was on HNIC radio:

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More Ron Hextall on Penner 'doesn't have a lot of rope. Judged on shift to shift basis because of inconsistencies. Just has to bring it'

Speaking on perhaps panicking -Bob MCKenzie was on NHL Live today talking about the Panthers, saying he feels that managment is giving the team abouit 5 or so more games to turn things around. He said they want to go in a different direction, trading off higher priced contracts for younger players to save money and go for a youth movement. Said there might be a firesale of sorts.

I would guess Buffalo will be in a similiar boat, perhaps in the next 10 games if the new coach can't get it done.

I wonder if Dean would pursue either a winger or Dman

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I wonder if Dean would pursue either a winger or Dman
Winger for sure, maybe a D-man depending on how long Greene/Mitchell are out and how well Ellerby/Muzzin/DD44/etc. play.

If Greene and Mitchell are both gone right through the playoffs, you got to imagine DL will pick up at least one veteran D-man though.

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02-21-2013, 01:59 AM
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I think this team needs a winger more than a defenseman.

With Quick/Bernier as a tandem and the style that the Kings play, the defense should work itself out. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem adding a veteran if Greene and Mitchell are both going to be out long term, but I think scoring is a much a bigger problem for this team.

Same problems as last year. Pepper the opponent with a lot of shots but just can't finish. Carter is the only real pure goal scorer this team has IMO. Kopi is more of a playmaker than a consistent 30-35 goal scorer even though he has the talent to do so.

Penner and/or Gagne were supposed to be the solution/answer to this issue especially on the wing, but Penner is and always has been a dog and Gagne is unfortunately a shell of his former self due to injuries and age. It's a shame because I think a healthy, younger Gagne would do major damage for this team.

I'd be on the hunt for a goal scoring winger, preferably with some speed. I've always wanted to see Hemsky in a Kings uniform, but even he is more of a playmaker than a goal scorer, though I'd still probably take him.
I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Magnus Paajarvi either. With all that offensive talent Edmonton has, he may never get a chance to crack that top 6, but I've always liked his skillset and felt he would be a nice addition for LA.

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02-21-2013, 02:55 AM
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I think this team needs a winger more than a defenseman.

With Quick/Bernier as a tandem and the style that the Kings play, the defense should work itself out. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem adding a veteran if Greene and Mitchell are both going to be out long term, but I think scoring is a much a bigger problem for this team.

Same problems as last year. Pepper the opponent with a lot of shots but just can't finish. Carter is the only real pure goal scorer this team has IMO. Kopi is more of a playmaker than a consistent 30-35 goal scorer even though he has the talent to do so.

Penner and/or Gagne were supposed to be the solution/answer to this issue especially on the wing, but Penner is and always has been a dog and Gagne is unfortunately a shell of his former self due to injuries and age. It's a shame because I think a healthy, younger Gagne would do major damage for this team.

I'd be on the hunt for a goal scoring winger, preferably with some speed. I've always wanted to see Hemsky in a Kings uniform, but even he is more of a playmaker than a goal scorer, though I'd still probably take him.
I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Magnus Paajarvi either. With all that offensive talent Edmonton has, he may never get a chance to crack that top 6, but I've always liked his skillset and felt he would be a nice addition for LA.
He's basically becoming a Trevor Lewis based on how they describe him. Fast and a great PKer with hands of stone.

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I think this team needs a winger more than a defenseman.

With Quick/Bernier as a tandem and the style that the Kings play, the defense should work itself out. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem adding a veteran if Greene and Mitchell are both going to be out long term, but I think scoring is a much a bigger problem for this team.

Same problems as last year. Pepper the opponent with a lot of shots but just can't finish. Carter is the only real pure goal scorer this team has IMO. Kopi is more of a playmaker than a consistent 30-35 goal scorer even though he has the talent to do so.

Penner and/or Gagne were supposed to be the solution/answer to this issue especially on the wing, but Penner is and always has been a dog and Gagne is unfortunately a shell of his former self due to injuries and age. It's a shame because I think a healthy, younger Gagne would do major damage for this team.

I'd be on the hunt for a goal scoring winger, preferably with some speed. I've always wanted to see Hemsky in a Kings uniform, but even he is more of a playmaker than a goal scorer, though I'd still probably take him.
I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Magnus Paajarvi either. With all that offensive talent Edmonton has, he may never get a chance to crack that top 6, but I've always liked his skillset and felt he would be a nice addition for LA.
Gagne has been shooting a lot more lately and his skating is still there-the problem is he avoids the dirty parts of the ice like the plague. If you could score with your back against the boards his numbers would be much better but it's tough to blame a guy for not cruising the slots with your head down based on his past. I thought Penner played his best game of the season last night. He protected the puck with his body, it didn't take him 3 seconds to begin skating again after the puck changed directions. Much like Gagne I think the tools are there, it's the mental part of the game that comes and goes.

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I've always been a big supporter of Paajarvi and no, his hands aren't made of stone.

That said, if you are seeking a goalscorer, that won't be his forte. His upside is that of a 25 goal guy, but he likely more an ideal third line checker with two way ability. This of Jere Lehtinen, just not quite as good of numbers. Still, man I'd love to have him on this team. Him and Cogliano.

We need a Loui Eriksson for the top two lines though, someone that can bury a chance.

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I've always been a big supporter of Paajarvi and no, his hands aren't made of stone.

That said, if you are seeking a goalscorer, that won't be his forte. His upside is that of a 25 goal guy, but he likely more an ideal third line checker with two way ability. This of Jere Lehtinen, just not quite as good of numbers. Still, man I'd love to have him on this team. Him and Cogliano.

We need a Loui Eriksson for the top two lines though, someone that can bury a chance.
The question is do the Kings have anything to trade for a top 6er? We've seen how valuable Bernier has been and he's got a nice contract, the guy is great insurance and he's the Kings most valuable trading piece. I wouldn't move him unless I'm blown away, a Palffy-like trade.

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The question is do the Kings have anything to trade for a top 6er? We've seen how valuable Bernier has been and he's got a nice contract, the guy is great insurance and he's the Kings most valuable trading piece. I wouldn't move him unless I'm blown away, a Palffy-like trade.
I doubt Bernier gets dealt until the trade deadline, if at all this season. What is far more likely to be a tarding piece for Lombardi should he decide to go after a top 6er is Toffoli, Pearson or Forbort.

Considering our cap situation next year, I think DL is more likely to deal for a rental of some sort, such as a Vinny Prospal from Columbus, or maybe someone a bit better, but not someone who will cost a lot, such as Iginla.

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I think we could do something sooner rather than later that could ease some of the more excitable among us, again. Still but then I think we are doing fine rather we do or not.

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I doubt Bernier gets dealt until the trade deadline, if at all this season. What is far more likely to be a tarding piece for Lombardi should he decide to go after a top 6er is Toffoli, Pearson or Forbort.

Considering our cap situation next year, I think DL is more likely to deal for a rental of some sort, such as a Vinny Prospal from Columbus, or maybe someone a bit better, but not someone who will cost a lot, such as Iginla.
Carter-Richards-Iginla on the 2nd line would be just a little exciting. Calgary would want Bernier and I'm sure the cap situation would be a mess.

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He's basically becoming a Trevor Lewis based on how they describe him. Fast and a great PKer with hands of stone.
I think there's a bit of hyperbole there with his perceived hands of stone by Oilers fans. They are typically a fanbase that likes to overreact in the short term. Hemsky is made of glass, Hall and Eberle are the greatest thing since sliced bread, Dubnyk was demonized and has now gone to a "proven #1 net minder."

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Gagne has been shooting a lot more lately and his skating is still there-the problem is he avoids the dirty parts of the ice like the plague. If you could score with your back against the boards his numbers would be much better but it's tough to blame a guy for not cruising the slots with your head down based on his past. I thought Penner played his best game of the season last night. He protected the puck with his body, it didn't take him 3 seconds to begin skating again after the puck changed directions. Much like Gagne I think the tools are there, it's the mental part of the game that comes and goes.
Bolded is the issue with Gagne and why he is a former shell of himself. After numerous injuries, especially concussions, he just doesn't want to take the beating anymore and is hesitant to get his nose dirty. And really, who can blame him after he supposedly had 3 concussions in a 5 month span a one time in Philly.

He still has a very good shot, but if he's not willing to take the hits, he's naturally not going to be skating around like he used to. Slowing down to avoid contact, not throwing his body into the corner, not cutting to the middle of the ice or slicing through the slot for a one timer.

I have never been a Penner fan. A tiger doesn't change his stripes. Once a dog, always a dog. Has some talent, and is physically everything you want in a goal scoring power forward but just always leaves you disappointed. Often out of shape, lazy, doesn't show up consistently, lacks mental toughness. I still cannot believe Deano re-signed him to a one year deal rather than going after a guy like Semin on a one year deal given the cap space we had this season.

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I've always been a big supporter of Paajarvi and no, his hands aren't made of stone.

That said, if you are seeking a goalscorer, that won't be his forte. His upside is that of a 25 goal guy, but he likely more an ideal third line checker with two way ability. This of Jere Lehtinen, just not quite as good of numbers. Still, man I'd love to have him on this team. Him and Cogliano.

We need a Loui Eriksson for the top two lines though, someone that can bury a chance.
I've always loved Paajarvi and was a big fan of Cogliano as well. I've like Gagner for a while as well.

Unless a guy comes in and lights it up like Hall, RNH, Eberle, Oilers fans seem to classify the guy as a bust/disappointment.

Loui Eriksson would be an excellent fit on this team.

As for Paajarvi, I can't help but think of Markus Naslund. First round pick, slow-developing Swede who took a few years to find his footing in the NHL and eventually became an impact player and 30-40 goal scorer.

I look at Paajarvi play and I see a tremendous amount of potential. Excellent skater, good playmaker, good two way upside, and still only 21 years old. I still think the kid has 30 goal potential, although I would say he is more of a playmaker than a finisher. I think his floor is a tremendous skating two way forward who scores 20 goals a year.

However, I think the Kings could definitely use some speed on the wing and with Paajarvi seemingly blocked in Edmonton from being a full time player for the forseeable future, I would definitely kick the tires on him. I think he'd add some jump to LA's offense and would slide in nicely where Penner/Gagne are supposed to be. I love what Carter's speed has brought to this offense, and would love to see Paajarvi on a guy like Kopi's or Richards' wing.

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Tend to agree on Paajarvi. I wouldn't mind the Kings taking a flyer on him as long as the price is reasonable. It's worth it to try and have a young guy like that fill an organizational need once Gagne and Penner depart.

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Carter-Richards-Iginla on the 2nd line would be just a little exciting. Calgary would want Bernier and I'm sure the cap situation would be a mess.
Iginla is a UFA after this season, so it wouldn't affect our cap next year.

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I've always loved Paajarvi and was a big fan of Cogliano as well. I've like Gagner for a while as well.

Unless a guy comes in and lights it up like Hall, RNH, Eberle, Oilers fans seem to classify the guy as a bust/disappointment.

Loui Eriksson would be an excellent fit on this team.

As for Paajarvi, I can't help but think of Markus Naslund. First round pick, slow-developing Swede who took a few years to find his footing in the NHL and eventually became an impact player and 30-40 goal scorer.

I look at Paajarvi play and I see a tremendous amount of potential. Excellent skater, good playmaker, good two way upside, and still only 21 years old. I still think the kid has 30 goal potential, although I would say he is more of a playmaker than a finisher. I think his floor is a tremendous skating two way forward who scores 20 goals a year.

However, I think the Kings could definitely use some speed on the wing and with Paajarvi seemingly blocked in Edmonton from being a full time player for the forseeable future, I would definitely kick the tires on him. I think he'd add some jump to LA's offense and would slide in nicely where Penner/Gagne are supposed to be. I love what Carter's speed has brought to this offense, and would love to see Paajarvi on a guy like Kopi's or Richards' wing.
While I don't think Paajarvi and Naslund play very similar, I do respect your overall point. The kid is 21, and if he had been brought along properly, he'd be a highly toughted prospect. Rather, he's being written off as a bust.

He's prime to have a turn around with a new team, just like Naslund.

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i'd want giordano if we trade with calgary. our d needs help.

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i'd want giordano if we trade with calgary. our d needs help.
That's not gonna happen. Giordano is one of Calgary's few bright spots.

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Speaking on perhaps panicking -Bob MCKenzie was on NHL Live today talking about the Panthers, saying he feels that managment is giving the team abouit 5 or so more games to turn things around. He said they want to go in a different direction, trading off higher priced contracts for younger players to save money and go for a youth movement. Said there might be a firesale of sorts.
I love it! How many times with how many GMs have the Panthers done this and still they are horrible? Rick Dudley, Keenan, Martin, Sexton, and Tallon all in the last 10 years... A stable GM for more than 2 years might help stabilize things there... Then again I'm not entirely sure the GM is the problem there, pretty sure ownership is what needs to change if that team ever turns things around.

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I think Florida will be fine, The youth movement is fine, you have to in a true rebuild.

We as Kings fan know very well, that turning a franchise around doesn't happen over night.

It takes years, and you have to draft well. A couple (bad) bounces, or one more bad stretch last season; and the Kings don't make the playoff's.

Pretty sure AEG would have cleaned house. So it takes a lot to move a Franchise in the right direction.

The owners need to be committed and stay out of things(hard to do).

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I think Florida will be fine, The youth movement is fine, you have to in a true rebuild.

We as Kings fan know very well, that turning a franchise around doesn't happen over night.

It takes years, and you have to draft well. A couple (bad) bounces, or one more bad stretch last season; and the Kings don't make the playoff's.

Pretty sure AEG would have cleaned house. So it takes a lot to move a Franchise in the right direction.

The owners need to be committed and stay out of things(hard to do).
That's the issue in Florida though. Ownership seems to be obsessed with the franchises being turned around overnight and that just isn't going to happen when you give your GMs a 2 year window to turn that franchise into a winner. Especially when ownership is also allergic to spending money... They don't draft well and on the rare occasion that they do (Tanner Glass, Greg Campbell, David Booth, heck throw Horton, Bouwmeester and Ellerby in there) they jettison them to another team for draft picks (that don't help) right before they hit UFA status to avoid paying them. It'd be sad if it wasn't so entertaining...

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i'd want giordano if we trade with calgary. our d needs help.
Giordano has three more years at $4.02 million per season. We'd be hard pressed to fit him into the cap next season.

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Iginla is a UFA after this season, so it wouldn't affect our cap next year.



While I don't think Paajarvi and Naslund play very similar, I do respect your overall point. The kid is 21, and if he had been brought along properly, he'd be a highly toughted prospect. Rather, he's being written off as a bust.

He's prime to have a turn around with a new team, just like Naslund.
Yep I would agree they don't play too similarly, I was just using it as a reference for struggling as a young highly touted prospect, being written off as a bust, going to a new team and having a turn around and becoming a good NHL player like you said.

What piece/pieces would you be willing to deal for Paajarvi? I would have to think Edmonton is looking for help on defense or maybe a rugged power forward to beef up the offense since they have a ton of skill guys.

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Anyone panicing right now should relax we have played 11 games on the road and 4 at home If we are still out of it after this long homestead maybe id be a little worried but im a long way from panic for sure

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Yep I would agree they don't play too similarly, I was just using it as a reference for struggling as a young highly touted prospect, being written off as a bust, going to a new team and having a turn around and becoming a good NHL player like you said.

What piece/pieces would you be willing to deal for Paajarvi? I would have to think Edmonton is looking for help on defense or maybe a rugged power forward to beef up the offense since they have a ton of skill guys.
I'm really unsure what the Oilers would want for him, as they are at that stage of the rebuild where results will have to start to show. So I can't see them looking for picks or far off prospects (more than a year+ away). That said, I don't think they are in the position to trade for a veteran who to long in the tooth, as they are a year or two away from really making a push for the playoffs (like will push next year and get in in 2014-2015). So I'd wager they would like someone back who is with them for a few seasons, but also closer to the current age of their core group.

If they are seeking size as you suggested, the obvious answer would be Dwight King. I'd think we'd have to add to him to get Paajarvi, so I'd suggest adding Muzzin if they are seeking a blueliner who can play now. He might fit in there decently as outside of Justin Schultz and Petry (who has been pretty bad this year) they don't have anyone with much offensive upside on the blueline next year. Whitney is a UFA and, considering they have been scratching him, I doubt he'll return without testing the market first.

That said, Klefblom could be ready next year, meaning they won't have a need for a D-man. As well, Marcinin and yes, even Teubert, are pushing for ice time, so they may not have as big of a need on the backend.

So hard to say what they really need. Honestly, Jarrett Stoll may work out perfectly there. Has a few more years left

King/Stoll and Muzzin for Paajarvi and a 4th/5th? That might be light on our end, depending on how highly they think of Paajarvi. I would have thought Ellerby would ahave cost more than a 5th, so Paajarvi could be cheap to get too.

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When they pick up a W on Sat, they will be in 8th place and I don't think they'll look back.
From the Mayor- no changes in the lines. Not surprised but a bit disappointed that Gagne is being blackballed again. Penner doesn't have any goals either and unless they are showcasing him for scouts for a trade, I don't get why he's been in over Gagne ,who played pretty good. But Sutter has his reasons.

Also, this from Trevor Lewis:

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However, @trevorlewis22 offered this explanation re: the Canadian media ignoring @dewyy8 on the roadie-'He has bad breath.' #newfactoftheday


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I think Gagne should never have been scratched either, but after the way Penner played in Calgary, there's no way he deserved to be scratch for Colorado.

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Win and you're in seems to be the philosophy, except for Bernier.

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