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02-21-2013, 02:10 PM
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Kings will be 28th in THN Future Watch

The Hockey News had an article in their March 4th edition on the Kings trying to defnd their title. Inside of it there is the following paragraph:

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In 2011 the Kings, headlined by Schenn, ranked No. 2 in THN's annual Future Watch issue, but dropped to 22 in 2012 and sank to No. 28 in 2013. The cupboard beyond the NHL is sparse with Tyler Toffoli, ranked No. 65 across the league, currently standing as their highest-rated prospect.
The 2013 issue hasn't been released yet, so I guess we shouldn't be looking to much forward to it. Sad that Toffoli has dropped from 39 to 65, while Forbort is right off the list. Hopefully we hold onto our picks for the next few drafts so we can rebuild the pool, while is starting to thin out IMO.

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The Hockey News had an article in their March 4th edition on the Kings trying to defnd their title. Inside of it there is the following paragraph:



The 2013 issue hasn't been released yet, so I guess we shouldn't be looking to much forward to it. Sad that Toffoli has dropped from 39 to 65, while Forbort is right off the list. Hopefully we hold onto our picks for the next few drafts so we can rebuild the pool, while is starting to thin out IMO.
What on earth has Toffoli done to drop so much?

But I agree that outside Toffoli, our prospect pool has thinned out BIG time (obviously that happens over time).

Pearson has potential. So does Forbort.

I'm not sold on anyone else ever making our roster (including Deslaurius, Kistyn, etc).

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The Hockey News had an article in their March 4th edition on the Kings trying to defnd their title. Inside of it there is the following paragraph:



The 2013 issue hasn't been released yet, so I guess we shouldn't be looking to much forward to it. Sad that Toffoli has dropped from 39 to 65, while Forbort is right off the list. Hopefully we hold onto our picks for the next few drafts so we can rebuild the pool, while is starting to thin out IMO.
Our Cupbords are very barren.
I will take Barren shelves and a chanpionship over loaded for potential anyday of the week.

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What on earth has Toffoli done to drop so much?

But I agree that outside Toffoli, our prospect pool has thinned out BIG time (obviously that happens over time).

Pearson has potential. So does Forbort.

I'm not sold on anyone else ever making our roster (including Deslaurius, Kistyn, etc).
It could be more of what new prospects have done.

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Meh, I never put much thought into rankings by the hockey media. Remember at one point how the Kings were highly ranked with the likes of Jared Aulin, Yanick Lehoux, Denis Grebeshkov, Jeff Tambellini, etc. all in the pipeline? And today, not a single one of them is in the NHL.

These rankings don't take into account how many recent picks from have cracked the NHL roster. If you go back to Lombardi's first draft, they have about 12 players in the NHL, 8 of whom are still with the Kings. I wouldn't lose any sleep over where THN (or HF) ranks the Kings prospects.

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The Hockey News had an article in their March 4th edition on the Kings trying to defnd their title. Inside of it there is the following paragraph:



The 2013 issue hasn't been released yet, so I guess we shouldn't be looking to much forward to it. Sad that Toffoli has dropped from 39 to 65, while Forbort is right off the list. Hopefully we hold onto our picks for the next few drafts so we can rebuild the pool, while is starting to thin out IMO.
I disagree with their view of us and site how many of our kids make the NHL vs how many of their darlings bomb. Its journalism 101 with these guys all the way around every time. Controversy sells papers so make outlandish claims here and there and people will talk about it and hopefully buy the papes.

TT will make the NHL and so will Vey Persoan Forbort Gravel Andreof Gibson Deslauriers and a few others. They will make it to the NHL. That is a huge accomplishment and we are among the very top of the league in converting picks into NHL players.

Now I am not saying that it wouldn't be nice to have another DD JB or Simmonds on the farm waiting but for a team that was bereft of NHL caliber talent a few years ago we built a team that won the cup and is deep enough to compete for it again over the next few years and that is supposed to be the point of having prospects.

We could use a budding superstar or two on the farm (though I would argue we have at least one) but we have plenty of exceptional young talent down there and they turn into NHL players who can be turned into picks players like Carter Richards etc.

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It's also the Hockey News... Great for actual hockey news. Picking prospects and ranking them? Not so much...

This is the magazine that once ranked Brian Boyle, and Lauri Tukonen above Matt Moulson and Teddy Purcell... The one that picked Eero Soumervuori (0 NHL games played to this day) from Tampa Bay as a favorite for the Calder trophy... Chances are the people making the list have never even heard of Nick Deslauriers, Nikolai Prohkorkin, Maxim Kitsyn, or Linden Vey, and very likely think Michael Schumacher IS the race car driver guy...

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Forbort's offensive game just never developed at UND. Hopefully with some proper development in Manchester they can develop him into something. He does have size and reach that can't be taught.

The Kings in the last six years have drafted two busts in round 1, traded Schenn, traded away another two of those picks and drafted 30th another year. Add in the losses of Moller, Holloway and Loktionov and it only makes sense.

I don't think you'll see DL trading any more high picks. But the ones he did trade were worth it.

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I have to agree that our prospect is not as good as it was before. But I don't mind being hidden away from all the media. I hate over hyping our players.

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Why in the world did Toffoli drop? The guy is having a monster season. He's on pace for a 40-goal season, right?

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makes sense that they fall so far considering most of the prospects from 2 years ago have either been traded for roster players, or have made the Kings

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It's also the Hockey News... Great for actual hockey news. Picking prospects and ranking them? Not so much...

This is the magazine that once ranked Brian Boyle, and Lauri Tukonen above Matt Moulson and Teddy Purcell... The one that picked Eero Soumervuori (0 NHL games played to this day) from Tampa Bay as a favorite for the Calder trophy... Chances are the people making the list have never even heard of Nick Deslauriers, Nikolai Prohkorkin, Maxim Kitsyn, or Linden Vey, and very likely think Michael Schumacher IS the race car driver guy...
I was just reading "the Russian Factor" on thehockeynew.com and they talk about Prohkorkin, and mention how he fell down to us just because he is russian.
I WILL TAKE IT!!

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Our depth is perfectly fine and complimentary to us being a contender now. Just the nature of being a contender where you trade picks and youth for results now. We have 8 picks currently for the upcoming draft, and are seeking a first for Bernier. We are fine, and have a lot invested for the future in current players like Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Richards, and Carter. Long term and young players. When you have that, you don't need a top center prospect in your cupboard, etc...

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Meh, I never put much thought into rankings by the hockey media. Remember at one point how the Kings were highly ranked with the likes of Jared Aulin, Yanick Lehoux, Denis Grebeshkov, Jeff Tambellini, etc. all in the pipeline? And today, not a single one of them is in the NHL.
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This is the magazine that once ranked Brian Boyle, and Lauri Tukonen above Matt Moulson and Teddy Purcell.
Over time, I've become less a fan of their rankings but enjoy the issue nonetheless. But just to defend THN, they do poll scouts/NHL execs to formulate their rankings. So it's not like the ranking is just based off of a single writer.

I can only imagine the composite rankings being pretty ugly to look at. Typically they poll ~20 people. The year that Alex Pietrangelo was the #1 prospect, half of the respondents didn't list him in their top 5's.

The team's top 10 is also provided by the club themselves. So I wouldn't blame THN for some of the past rankings. It's not uncommon that teams will put a bit of a PR spin with the list. In particular, the Islanders omitted Kevin Poulin and Casey Cizikas in recent issues. Internally the club had them as top 10 prospects within the system, but hadn't yet signed them to contracts. So they didn't want to list Poulin as say #5 only to have him possibly re-enter the Draft in two months.

Carolina similarly did this with goalie Frederik Andersen last year. Some Hurricanes' posters were incensed that THN didn't list Andersen among their top 10 after he had a terrific season in the SEL. But more than likely, Carolina knew that they were having difficulty signing him.

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I will take Barren shelves and a chanpionship over loaded for potential anyday of the week.
Totally agree. The Future Watch issue is usually fun for bragging rights, but most fans on here make the bad assumption that prospects will all pan out.

I love this picture from the 2001 Future Watch:



Back then, Edmonton had a solid young core coming. Meanwhile Detroit had one of the worst prospect pools in the league. All they had were some guys named Kronwall, Zetterberg, and Datsyuk.

Picture courtesy of HabsFan18's awesome 'old Future Watch' thread: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=521282

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Just by comparison, I don't know how many years in being on this website, that the Kings were somewhere in the top 5 or 6 back when Cammalleri was breaking in, and the Kings got Aulin in the Blake trade. Same with the Minnesota Wild.

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I love this picture from the 2001 Future Watch:



Back then, Edmonton had a solid young core coming. Meanwhile Detroit had one of the worst prospect pools in the league. All they had were some guys named Kronwall, Zetterberg, and Datsyuk.

Picture courtesy of HabsFan18's awesome 'old Future Watch' thread: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=521282
That's an instant classic.

My favorite is the line above the Edmonton section. "Datsyuk desperately needs to get stronger." I sat down by the glass for the young stars game not a year later and remember watching him. He wasn't big, but even I could see how shifty he was and his star potential. What I remember most was his hair sticking up. Wow, what a cowlick he had that day.

Not bad for a bottom rounder.

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29th and 30th must really, really suck

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Meh, I never put much thought into rankings by the hockey media. Remember at one point how the Kings were highly ranked with the likes of Jared Aulin, Yanick Lehoux, Denis Grebeshkov, Jeff Tambellini, etc. all in the pipeline? And today, not a single one of them is in the NHL.

These rankings don't take into account how many recent picks from have cracked the NHL roster. If you go back to Lombardi's first draft, they have about 12 players in the NHL, 8 of whom are still with the Kings. I wouldn't lose any sleep over where THN (or HF) ranks the Kings prospects.
Some do. I think they include all players who are 21 or under in the NHL as part of their overall ranking of teams.

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It's also the Hockey News... Great for actual hockey news. Picking prospects and ranking them? Not so much...

This is the magazine that once ranked Brian Boyle, and Lauri Tukonen above Matt Moulson and Teddy Purcell... The one that picked Eero Soumervuori (0 NHL games played to this day) from Tampa Bay as a favorite for the Calder trophy... Chances are the people making the list have never even heard of Nick Deslauriers, Nikolai Prohkorkin, Maxim Kitsyn, or Linden Vey, and very likely think Michael Schumacher IS the race car driver guy...
As Broduer said, the rankings are picked by the teams management, not THN themselves. While I do think some internal politics do play into it, they can only factor that in so much, and likely would only impact the lower end guys. The point though is the guys who make the Kings list have heard of those players you mentioned. They drafted them.

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29th and 30th must really, really suck
I'd wager one is San Jose, so it's not all bad

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Meh, we just won the Cup and are in 'Win Now' mode.

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When your core is mod twenties, you don't need to worry too much about multiple prospects

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When your core is mod twenties, you don't need to worry too much about multiple prospects
I agree but the funny thing is that we do have a couple of better than average top 6 talented kids down on the farm who are being severely underrated by some of the pundits. We will once again prove them wrong. Lots of them thought that VV was a reach and that he was undersized for the daily rigors of being an everyday NHL dman.

Vey is better than any of the kids playing in TO up the middle today and they have been terrible for years.
TT is an up and coming first line RW who is underrated and Pearson Shore Kozun Andy Andy Kitsyn to name a few all look like NHL talent who could be good to pretty good too.

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29th and 30th must really, really suck
That was my initial thought, the Stanley Cup champs should have the worst prospect pool in the league....so whoever is below that must be doing everything wrong.

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While I have no doubt that the Kings deserve to be ranked very low, Toffoli has no reason to have dropped like that

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I happen to think we have plenty of young players on the big team, but we do need to restock the farm starting with forwards. We had Oscar and others bolt for Europe so that made it tougher on the pipeline.

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TT is an up and coming first line RW who is underrated and Pearson Shore Kozun Andy Andy Kitsyn to name a few all look like NHL talent who could be good to pretty good too.
Which one of these is not like the other....

Give you a hint. It's Kitsyn.

And yeah, we absolutely deserve it. I fully expect Dean to draft a goalie this draft. It'll probably be a later round pick but he'll grab one. I'd really like to see Dean for once go for some boom or bust picks - and there's ONE guy I want Dean to draft. One. Anton Slepyshev. Do it. DO IT!

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