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02-21-2013, 11:11 AM
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Well the game needs to slow down in his head, which allows him to see the ice in ways that other simply can't. I don't think that Houston would be bad for him; I just don't see it as some great solution that will make him (or the wild) that much better.

I just want to see how this plays out. The kid is already make great strides and I dont see any reason he shouldn't keep making them up here. Recall that last game was really the only game his icetime was below 10 minutes. As long as he is averaging somewhere between 10 to 15 minutes a game he should be fine. Im not really sure it matter who he is playing with, he just needs to play his game, not Rupps.

I don't see sending him to Houston as a great solution, but this can't be a long-term thing either. It doesn't make the Wild better either, and against some of the tougher teams it's just plain dumb. I don't know what's up with Konopka and Yeo (can't believe he'd be left in the press box for several games just because of one stupid penalty), but to me the best solution would be to let Konopka play again and have Granlund play wing in another line. But with the current forward situation it's probably not going to happen anytime soon unless someone gets traded.

For those asking about why Brodziak gets to play in every game: per Russo, they won't scratch a right-handed center.

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02-21-2013, 11:30 AM
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This is really bothering me as well. I do not understand why the hell Granlund is now continually put into a position he is very unlikely to succeed in.

Imo, he's been better than both Cullen and Brodziak, so I don't get it.

I also don't understand why he is sitting Konopka the way he has.

I get it, Konopka took a stupid penalty a couple games ago. It's not because of that we lost... He was trying to fire up the team, who had no legs to skate for whatever reason. He's one of our best face off guys and he is also one of our best forecheckers. He's decent at cycling the puck, and he plays the fourth line roll well.
maybe, just maybe this whole lottery and gambling with lines is Fletchers idea to keep certain veteran players value up. everyone sees that theres some players shouldn't be there but keeping em on good minutes and collecting points (good idea on paper eh) should give better value in change, then after table has been cleaned put the "real lines" together.

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How about this, start with your checking line.

Brodziak - Konopka - Rupp/Mitchell

There's no offense to this line and who cares. Konopka takes draws on the left, Brodziak takes draws on the right, or whatever. Throw these guys out for most of your D zone starts.

Top line:

Parise - Koivu - Heatley

Then put together some lines with some balance:

Bouchard - Cullen - Setoguchi
Zucker - Granlund - Clutterbuck

Or put together lines based on speed:

Zucker - Cullen - Setoguchi
Bouchard - Granlund - Clutterbuck

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02-21-2013, 11:49 AM
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[QUOTE=Gaps;60162795]I don't see sending him to Houston as a great solution, but this can't be a long-term thing either. QUOTE]

No it can't but its not the end of the world as long as Granlund continues to adjust and we keep seeing progression in his game.


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How about this, start with your checking line.

Brodziak - Konopka - Rupp/Mitchell

There's no offense to this line and who cares. Konopka takes draws on the left, Brodziak takes draws on the right, or whatever. Throw these guys out for most of your D zone starts.

Top line:

Parise - Koivu - Heatley

Then put together some lines with some balance:

Bouchard - Cullen - Setoguchi
Zucker - Granlund - Clutterbuck

Or put together lines based on speed:

Zucker - Cullen - Setoguchi
Bouchard - Granlund - Clutterbuck
works for me, especially the 'balanced' approach.

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02-21-2013, 11:54 AM
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maybe, just maybe this whole lottery and gambling with lines is Fletchers idea to keep certain veteran players value up. everyone sees that theres some players shouldn't be there but keeping em on good minutes and collecting points (good idea on paper eh) should give better value in change, then after table has been cleaned put the "real lines" together.

just my 2 cents
This could have merit. Who knows what's going through Fletch's head. I guess I would rather subscribe to this idea, than Yeo playing his ****ing line boggle guessing game every game lately. Maybe everyone gets a lottery ball with him...Who knows...

I do know Fletch is a smart dude. He has shown himself to be constantly aware of what is going on, and to always be planning something. He has to be aware of the fact that we have too many assets just sitting around these days and not playing in their appropriate roles because we have too many. Something has to happen. Only a fool would allow this to continue for much longer.

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How about this, start with your checking line.

Brodziak - Konopka - Rupp/Mitchell

There's no offense to this line and who cares. Konopka takes draws on the left, Brodziak takes draws on the right, or whatever. Throw these guys out for most of your D zone starts.

Top line:

Parise - Koivu - Heatley

Then put together some lines with some balance:

Bouchard - Cullen - Setoguchi
Zucker - Granlund - Clutterbuck

Or put together lines based on speed:

Zucker - Cullen - Setoguchi
Bouchard - Granlund - Clutterbuck
You should apply for the head coach job

Plans, I like them. Yeo's coin toss method is getting stale.

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02-21-2013, 11:59 AM
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You should apply for the head coach job

Plans, I like them. Yeo's coin toss method is getting stale.
Why does everyone assume Yeo doesn't have a plan or method? Because he switches lines around when no one's producing, and he doesn't play a rookie top six minutes every game?

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This could have merit. Who knows what's going through Fletch's head. I guess I would rather subscribe to this idea, than Yeo playing his ****ing line boggle guessing game every game lately. Maybe everyone gets a lottery ball with him...Who knows...

I do know Fletch is a smart dude. He has shown himself to be constantly aware of what is going on, and to always be planning something. He has to be aware of the fact that we have too many assets just sitting around these days and not playing in their appropriate roles because we have too many. Something has to happen. Only a fool would allow this to continue for much longer.
as long as 'team' has some fuel left on the tank, just keep pulling on. then at some point pull the trigger and we have:

Parise - Koivu - Granlund
Coyle - Larsson - Zucker

Whoever - Whoever - Whoever..

+ some prospects & picks

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as long as 'team' has some fuel left on the tank, just keep pulling on. then at some point pull the trigger and we have:

Parise - Koivu - Granlund
Coyle - Larsson - Zucker

Whoever - Whoever - Whoever..

+ some prospects & picks
Hey, maybe if we can get that top six this year, sooner rather than later, we can replace Larsson with Barkov next year too.

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02-21-2013, 12:03 PM
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Hey, maybe if we can get that top six this year, sooner rather than later, we can replace Larsson with Barkov next year too.
WE got JESUS already, bringin BUDHA would make it..

No honestly, I think Larsson is going to be lot better people are generally expecting, after all he's swedish center. Time to time they do well http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/natio...eer-stats.html

and actives

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Why does everyone assume Yeo doesn't have a plan or method? Because he switches lines around when no one's producing, and he doesn't play a rookie top six minutes every game?
I can understand some of his moves. His roster is not ideal either, and I also know I might be too hard on him given everything. There are also different perspectives in coaching in regards to what can/does work. What he is doing, might actually be what's best, I really don't know.

What is bothering me about this lately though, is there is very little consistency. When he does have consistency, some of his decisions are fairly questionable. And he really has made some decisions that for the most part make no sense; it's as if he is truly feeling desperate and just trying different things because he doesn't know what else to do.

Good teams develop over time. Most of the time, these good teams have time to work together, and some of their success comes from learning how to play with their linemates. This all takes times. I have never been a fan of revolving lines, and that's what we've been seeing a lot lately.

I'm sorry, but Granlund on the 4th line, to me, is just folly. We have Konopka, Brodziak and even Cullen for that. With Granlund's skillset and build, he's top 6 or bust. Less ice time in a role that does not suit him is not going to aid in his development in any way. One of his best games was at wing; he's still not getting more chances there despite us still having Konopka, Cullen and Brodziak at C.

Genius move putting Spurgeon and Suter together, again. We all saw what was going to come of that. But Spurg is a right handed d! Christ... That worked out so well he had to put Brodin and Suter back together after not even two periods.

Mitchel, playing better than Clutterbuck, also has a better skillset to score, yet not put in the role to do so.

Seto, playing his ass off. Since we have such a revolving door of players and lines, why has he not at least had a shot at the top line? Heatleys slow as hell this year, and has only shown that he wants to play sometimes. But this has never even been tried during a game. His skill could also compliment Parise.

Our PP sucks and has not improved at all. It's also showing no signs of improving. WTF. Our guys move the puck around like there's molasses on the ice and they have all the time in the world. Why has this not changed at all?!?! Why do we try Spurg on the #1 unit, when he has NEVER been able to keep the puck in the zone. Pretty big thing for a d manning the point. But we need a R d... Stick ****ing Gilbert up there with Suter. Right now we're just pissing away every damned PP.

Why has our team not played 60 minutes ONCE this entire year. If we're supposed to be all heart and soul, why do we constantly have entire periods where we just don't show up - and this one really is on the coaching staff.

Why does he punish some players, like Konopka for his stupid penalty(which was deserved), Granlund and Seto (which was also deserved), and not other players, like Heatley and Brodziak. Brodziak hasn't shown up to half the games this year, neither has Heatley. Heatley also gives away more pucks than enyone! How many times has he just passed it to the opposing team?! Sit his ass for a game.

What about Clutterbuck and his complete inability to score, except for that lucky as hell stupid goal he's gotten so far. Why has none of the coaching staff over the last two years told him to start shooting in different spots. I mean WTF. Every single ****ing shot is high glove side. Part of the problem is, it's not going in!!!!!!! He misses the ****ing net most of the time, or the damned goalie just catches it. This is what the coaching staff is for. If we all notice it, they sure as hell should too. Last game he had 3 prime chances and ****ed them all up. He even went high glove side when he had more net to shoot at on the goalie's stick side, AND the ****ing goalie's stick was broken.

Just too many bad decisions and too many questions, which is why I am getting frustrated with what's going on.

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Hey, maybe if we can get that top six this year, sooner rather than later, we can replace Larsson with Barkov next year too.
I like Larsson, a lot, I hope we keep him.

Wouldn't mind Barkhov though...

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02-21-2013, 03:56 PM
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How about Cullen is a veteran and Granlund is the rookie. Right now the last thing Minnesota needs is Gran getting pressured and losing the development he's made in the NHL. He'll get to centering the second line soon enough but he needs to work out some basic kinks first and it's easier to fix those and cover them on the fourth line.
That doesn't mean Cullen is better or deserves more minutes. By this logic we should put Jonas Brodin on the third defensive pairing because he's a rookie and Spurgeon is the veteran player. Cullen is getting outplayed by Granlund even though FBJ is on the 4th line. That speaks volumes about where these two players are performance wise.



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No it can't but its not the end of the world as long as Granlund continues to adjust and we keep seeing progression in his game.
Fair enough but at some point (sooner rather than later) he needs to be rewarded for his efforts and be promoted to a more permanent role for him (i.e. a talented, playmaking forward). I'm all for Granny developing his knowledge of the NA game but what I don't get is that the 4th line was supposed to be a temporary wake up call for him. Now he's on a three game point streak and he's still getting garbage minutes.

It also sends a bad message (IMO) when a guy like Granlund who is succeeding and working his butt off continues to be passed over for someone like Cullen who is not succeeding. I like Cullen but I think he needs to be traded at this point. He's really not a great fit here anymore and it's getting to the point where he's holding up some younger forwards, and I don't mean only Granlund. We're starting to see a logjam type of situation at forward... Hopefully GMCF has his trading hat on.


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Matt Cullen: 15gp 1g 5a 6pts -1
Mikael Granlund: 14gp 1g 5a 6pts -2

It's not like either has outplayed the other.

Advantage with Cullen is he is better defensively and has more speed.

Granlund does have more potential upside.

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Matt Cullen: 15gp 1g 5a 6pts -1
Mikael Granlund: 14gp 1g 5a 6pts -2

It's not like either has outplayed the other.

Advantage with Cullen is he is better defensively and has more speed.

Granlund does have more potential upside.
Who has been trending upwards as of late though?

And when I watch the games, I see a lot more instances where Granlund makes a nice pass or a nice play, especially as of late. Problem is he's not exactly playing with guys accustomed to finding twine.

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Matt Cullen: 15gp 1g 5a 6pts -1
Mikael Granlund: 14gp 1g 5a 6pts -2

It's not like either has outplayed the other.

Advantage with Cullen is he is better defensively and has more speed.

Granlund does have more potential upside.
At the risk of being repetitive.....why is Brodziak out of this discussion? Is it possible to be sooooo meaningless that it actually ends up working in your favor?

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At the risk of being repetitive.....why is Brodziak out of this discussion? Is it possible to be sooooo meaningless that it actually ends up working in your favor?
Cullen can play all three lines.
Granlund can play lines two and four.
Brodziak can play lines three and four.

So, if we accept the fact that Yeo doesn't think Granlund can play top six yet, or needs to learn the physical aspect of the game for now, that means he has to play on the third or fourth. The third line is more of a shutdown grinding line. Granlund isn't ready to shut down other teams yet. Therefore, he's forced onto the fourth line.

Since Brodziak should only play in a bottom six role, and Granlund has the fourth line locked down, (and Brodziak is clearly better defensively), he gets the third line by default.

Which then leaves Cullen to play the second line by default.

However, once Yeo thinks Granlund can play second line center full time, he gets moved up, and IF Brodziak is still struggling, and Konopka is still getting scratched, and our AHL wingers are still here, then Cullen could slot into the third line, with Brodziak sliding to the fourth.

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I don't understand why Granlund can't be on the third line?

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Cullen can play all three lines.
Granlund can play lines two and four.
Brodziak can play lines three and four.

So, if we accept the fact that Yeo doesn't think Granlund can play top six yet, or needs to learn the physical aspect of the game for now, that means he has to play on the third or fourth. The third line is more of a shutdown grinding line. Granlund isn't ready to shut down other teams yet. Therefore, he's forced onto the fourth line.

Since Brodziak should only play in a bottom six role, and Granlund has the fourth line locked down, (and Brodziak is clearly better defensively), he gets the third line by default.

Which then leaves Cullen to play the second line by default.

However, once Yeo thinks Granlund can play second line center full time, he gets moved up, and IF Brodziak is still struggling, and Konopka is still getting scratched, and our AHL wingers are still here, then Cullen could slot into the third line, with Brodziak sliding to the fourth.
Brodziak is a -7 and Bouchard hardly falls into the "grinder" category.

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I don't understand why Granlund can't be on the third line?
Apparently he's better suited for the fourth?

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Matt Cullen: 15gp 1g 5a 6pts -1
Mikael Granlund: 14gp 1g 5a 6pts -2

It's not like either has outplayed the other.

Advantage with Cullen is he is better defensively and has more speed.

Granlund does have more potential upside.
Also, first three to four games Granlund made massive amount scoring changes to Cullen but he was totally not there on same level. That was the crucial point when things start to go really really wrong on Yeo.

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Apparently he's better suited for the fourth?
3rd & 4th doesn't differs that much, theres top6 and bottom6 for roles.. or Yeo is after something else there, really don't understand what it might be. It's not energy line either, and gets small minutes.


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At the risk of being repetitive.....why is Brodziak out of this discussion? Is it possible to be sooooo meaningless that it actually ends up working in your favor?
he is playing pure defensive role, at least for while. that's the famous invisible job you'll never noticed. as he is -7 in 15 games it's not acceptable by any manners for shutdown guy, trade must be coming soon.


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he is playing pure defensive role, at least for while. that's the famous invisible job you'll never noticed
Again, he is a -7. There is not a reasonable argument that can possibly be made for the hands off Brodziak attitude that Yeo has taken.

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