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02-20-2013, 05:37 PM
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I'd deal Halak and a first, or Elliott, Schwartz, and a 2nd.
I think a fair deal could be made here. Any way we can add miller+ for halak/elliot+tarasenko/perron? Either way I think Miller would put up ridiculous numbers in St. Louis and it'd be fun to watch

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02-20-2013, 05:39 PM
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Tarasenko isn't going anywhere, stop asking for him it's embarassing..

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02-20-2013, 06:36 PM
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Tarasenko isn't going anywhere, stop asking for him it's embarassing..
If me asking about who's available embarasses you than you have problems

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02-20-2013, 09:21 PM
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The Sabres just fired there coach of 15 years, if this team is not willing to blow it up now, then when? As far as I am concerned Vanek, Foligno, Ott, Kaleta, and Hodgson are they guys I am looking to keep. Pominville, Vanek and Miller are all free agents after the 2013-2014 season and I would like to keep Vanek and use the Pominville money elsewhere. So I am very open to dealing Pominville for the right price. I am willing to deal Miller for the right price but I would be open to resigning him for the right price as well.

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02-20-2013, 09:28 PM
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probably 2 mid-late 1st rounders. he isn't as elite as he use to be, allows way to many bad goals on occasion.

IMO he should be more valuable then luongo because of his contract situation.

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02-20-2013, 09:32 PM
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Tarasenko isn't going anywhere, stop asking for him it's embarassing..
but if buffalo were to trade him to the blues that would be the player i would list as a must be in the trade else it doesn't happen.

if they balk then you could just trade him to someone else, there are a hand full of playoff fringe teams that need a quality goalie to get over the hump.

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02-20-2013, 10:15 PM
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I'd be very interested in a Halak+Schwartz deal for Miller. I really don't think he's going to re-sign here unless a new coach can come in next year and right the ship very quickly.

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02-21-2013, 04:39 PM
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but if buffalo were to trade him to the blues that would be the player i would list as a must be in the trade else it doesn't happen.

if they balk then you could just trade him to someone else, there are a hand full of playoff fringe teams that need a quality goalie to get over the hump.
but If Tarasenko was on the table, then many unavailable goalie around the league could become avaible.

Tarensenko + Halak anyone?


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02-21-2013, 06:09 PM
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but If Tarasenko was on the table, then many unavailable goalie around the league could become avaible.

Tarensenko + Halak anyone?
Tarasenko + Halak for Miller + Armia/Sekera, maybe + another piece from Buffalo's side?

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02-21-2013, 06:49 PM
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To chicago/San Jose for Crawford(Veteran Goalie) + prospect+2013 1st

to anaheim for Hiller+young NHL player+2013 1st

Another option: Miller/Ennis for Hiller/Ryan

If a 3 team could be done where Miller to a West team....player back goes to Vancouver/LA for their backup goalie.
So Hawks give up better current/cheaper goalie , a 1st + prospect for Miller while taking on cap?

I would put Miller's value at a 2nd + prospect + cap dump

Not much of a market for goalies traditionally and adding in Miller's age + Cap hit works against him

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02-21-2013, 07:21 PM
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but If Tarasenko was on the table, then many unavailable goalie around the league could become avaible.

Tarensenko + Halak anyone?
Exactly, Tarasenko would get you Schneider and some. Miller to me is a wild card...looks fragile mentally and the goalie position is the last place you want that attribute.

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02-21-2013, 07:40 PM
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So Hawks give up better current/cheaper goalie , a 1st + prospect for Miller while taking on cap?

I would put Miller's value at a 2nd + prospect + cap dump

Not much of a market for goalies traditionally and adding in Miller's age + Cap hit works against him
Respectfully disagree on Miller he's 32 years old which is the prime of his career. His age doesn't work against him at all. His contract is a little pricey, but I'm willing to bet there are quite a few teams willing to stomach it for less than a year and a half for an above average goalie. Your proposal for Miller wouldn't be enough for me to move him unless that prospect was a team's top prospect.

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02-21-2013, 10:01 PM
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Halak+1st for Miller seems like a great deal for both teams.

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02-21-2013, 10:06 PM
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Halak, Schwartz for Miller is a great deal from my outside perspective.

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02-22-2013, 07:38 AM
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So Hawks give up better current/cheaper goalie , a 1st + prospect for Miller while taking on cap?

I would put Miller's value at a 2nd + prospect + cap dump

Not much of a market for goalies traditionally and adding in Miller's age + Cap hit works against him
I can't imagine Miller's value to be lower than what Anders Lindback fetched this summer. Ignoring who's playing better at this very second, Chicago's bet would be that Miller's play is a bit more even, and that when Miller gets away from our trainwreck defense--both from defensemen and forwards--that he'll take off.

On an average defensive team, Miller's SV% would be 10+ pts higher. The degree of difficulty saves he's forced to make on a period-to-period basis is very high.

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Halak, Schwartz for Miller is a great deal from my outside perspective.
Like others, I have a sneaking suspicion that Ryan won't be eager to re-sign with us after next season unless we have a Habs-like turnaround next season--i.e., top-5 pick to playoff team. Schwartz's counting numbers don't look great this year, but I recall him having good hockey sense. His size isn't ideal for our lineup--one seemingly littered with 5'11, 180 players with above-average but not great skill--but I'd consider this deal. I'd also consider the 1st in lieu of Schwartz, and hope St. Louis's 1st ended up around 20. From there, I'd hope our GM can parlay that pick and one of the others we acquire at the deadline to move up in the 1st.

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02-22-2013, 07:57 AM
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Miller has a NTC, so he will get to decide. He would probably approve to Chicago (he loves it there) and some place on the west coast (San Jose maybe?)

I would do a deal such as:

To Buffalo: Crawford, Hjalmarrson, 1st
To Chicago: Ryan Miller

Buffalo reinforces their D, gets a veteran to platoon with Enroth.

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02-22-2013, 08:01 AM
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Miller has a NTC, so he will get to decide. He would probably approve to Chicago (he loves it there) and some place on the west coast (San Jose maybe?)

I would do a deal such as:

To Buffalo: Crawford, Hjalmarrson, 1st
To Chicago: Ryan Miller

Buffalo reinforces their D, gets a veteran to platoon with Enroth.
He can only put 8 teams on the NTC. I suppose he could block all possible destinations except the one or two cities in which he'd like to go--e.g., put St. Louis on the NTC, but exclude Boston because he'd never be traded there. But I think Miller would only include franchises not close to winning anything on his list, plus a few places he wouldn't enjoy (Toronto).

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02-22-2013, 08:30 AM
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Que the Miller to Toronto for Scrivens + Colborne proposals.
Lol....good one!!!

In reality though, both of our goalies have been better than Miller.....so.....no thanks.

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02-22-2013, 09:18 AM
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To Buffalo: Crawford, Hjalmarrson, 1st
To Chicago: Ryan Miller
No way Chicago does that deal. It makes the Hawks worse now.

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02-22-2013, 09:20 AM
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Would want on the Maple Leafs but am scared to ask what the asking price is

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02-22-2013, 11:26 AM
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So Hawks give up better current/cheaper goalie , a 1st + prospect for Miller while taking on cap?

I would put Miller's value at a 2nd + prospect + cap dump

Not much of a market for goalies traditionally and adding in Miller's age + Cap hit works against him
Do you really think Crawford is "currently" better than Miller? Or does Crawford play in a significantly better situation?

I dont Chicago needs to change a thing right now... and they are more than capable of winning a cup with Crawford.

But... Miller behind Keith, Seabrook, Hammer, Oduya, etc... I think that's a significant upgrade.

If Chocago could get Miller without sacrificing anything from the current picture... I think that's a great move.

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02-22-2013, 01:25 PM
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If Chocago could get Miller without sacrificing anything from the current picture... I think that's a great move.
Except Miller's cap hit puts the Hawks right back in cap hell. Miller is a better goalie than Crawford, but Crawford is better for the Hawks than Miller.

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Would want on the Maple Leafs but am scared to ask what the asking price is
Miller absolutely hates the Leafs. He wouldn't want to join the team regardless of the figures of his new contract.

I'm going to venture a guess that Miller wants to go home to Detroit if he doesn't choose to go further west.

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Except Miller's cap hit puts the Hawks right back in cap hell. Miller is a better goalie than Crawford, but Crawford is better for the Hawks than Miller.
you wouldn't trade cap hell for a cup again?

Looking at the numbers, I don't think Chicago will have an issue next year. Buyouts for Olesz and/or Montador make sense...

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02-22-2013, 02:35 PM
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Miller, currently, has negative value. He has not played well for a long time. Buffalo should be trying to basically give him away to free up cap-space.

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