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Overachieving, The Real Deal or Easy Schedule?

View Poll Results: How would you explain the recent success?
Over-Achieving 41 19.16%
Easy Schedule 28 13.08%
The Real Deal 55 25.70%
All of the Above 90 42.06%
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02-21-2013, 01:19 PM
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The habs have won 11 games out of 16 so far. Taking a look at that stat all on its own one might conclude that they are playing very well...

Stats can be deceiving...

A closer look at the opponents they've beaten:
- Tampa Bay
- Florida (twice)
- Philly
- Carolina
- Buffalo
- Ottawa
- Washington
- Winnepeg
- New Joisey

How many of the above teams will make the playoffs? Exactly. Now shut up.

Next.. its the way they're winning... The habs have only blown out their opponent in one game (Buffalo, 6-1 Victory A MONTH AGO)... The habs have been blown out TWICE (Ottawa, Toronto)... In other words, they are getting blown more than they are blowing.. or blown out? Blown in.. anyway... the blowing goes against the Habs and the rest of the games have been close affairs where the habs have simply won because their opponents made one or two more mistakes than they did. The habs aren't BEATING teams.. they are winning.. but their wins occur from their opponents BEATING THEMSELVES.

Blowing and beating-it, the habs will continue on this run for sure and come out with a winning record, but don't be fooled.. the over the top optimism on this board about the habs is juvenile and doesn't recognize the real factors.. this team is not going anywhere..
You forgot the Rangers.

The only teams we haven't went up against are the Pens and the Isles.

The only playoff or 'pseudo playoff' teams we haven't beaten are the Bruins (by one goal), the Pens (who we didn't go up against) and the Leafs.

3 teams. One of which is just bound to have a meltdown.

On the other hand, we've beaten 4 of the 6 current playoff teams we did go up against, including the #2 and #3 seeds.

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02-21-2013, 01:24 PM
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You forgot the Rangers.

The only teams we haven't went up against are the Pens and the Isles.

The only playoff or 'pseudo playoff' teams we haven't beaten are the Bruins (by one goal), the Pens (who we didn't go up against) and the Leafs.

3 teams. One of which is just bound to have a meltdown.

On the other hand, we've beaten 4 of the 6 current playoff teams we did go up against, including the #2 and #3 seeds.

(I know you're humoring people )
So far Habs have only beat teams currently below them in the standings, obviously going to fail when they play Eastern Conference teams with better records.

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So far Habs have only beat teams currently below them in the standings, obviously going to fail when they play Eastern Conference teams with better records.
Good news is, at this point nobody has a better record.

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So far Habs have only beat teams currently below them in the standings, obviously going to fail when they play Eastern Conference teams with better records.
Habs are still gonna be winless against the western teams. That's a bad omen.

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02-21-2013, 01:37 PM
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The Habs aren't the Blackhawks and they're unlikely to maintain their current pace if for no other reason than that a majority of their future games will be played on the road. The opponents they've already beaten will be better prepared for them. However, their record is no fluke. They're a good team and any "surgical tank" they attempt would probably not be sufficient to result in a very high draft pick. Since that's the case, I wish the tankards would stop their yapping and bask in the Habs' unaccustomed high position while it lasts. And if as the trading deadline approaches the Habs have a shot at finishing among the top 5 in the East, perhaps Bergevin should consider trading one or more of their three second round picks in 2013 to acquire a talented veteran for the playoffs.

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So far Habs have only beat teams currently below them in the standings, obviously going to fail when they play Eastern Conference teams with better records.
What the...?

This is a weird thing to say when the Habs have been pretty much consistently at the top (or closed to it) for the majority of the season.

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The Habs aren't the Blackhawks and they're unlikely to maintain their current pace if for no other reason than that a majority of their future games will be played on the road. The opponents they've already beaten will be better prepared for them. However, their record is no fluke. They're a good team and any "surgical tank" they attempt would probably not be sufficient to result in a very high draft pick. Since that's the case, I wish the tankards would stop their yapping and bask in the Habs' unaccustomed high position while it lasts. And if as the trading deadline approaches the Habs have a shot at finishing among the top 5 in the East, perhaps Bergevin should consider trading one or more of their three second round picks in 2013 to acquire a talented veteran for the playoffs.
That'll be the day!

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What the...?

This is a weird thing to say when the Habs have been pretty much consistently at the top (or closed to it) for the majority of the season.
You're not too quick on the uptake, are ya?

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The Habs aren't the Blackhawks and they're unlikely to maintain their current pace if for no other reason than that a majority of their future games will be played on the road. The opponents they've already beaten will be better prepared for them. However, their record is no fluke. They're a good team and any "surgical tank" they attempt would probably not be sufficient to result in a very high draft pick. Since that's the case, I wish the tankards would stop their yapping and bask in the Habs' unaccustomed high position while it lasts. And if as the trading deadline approaches the Habs have a shot at finishing among the top 5 in the East, perhaps Bergevin should consider trading one or more of their three second round picks in 2013 to acquire a talented veteran for the playoffs.
That is an interesting question. When do we become buyers?

After all, the strong teams in the west are irrelevant to the habs.
Simply getting to play against one of them would be a major success.
And the east looks pretty wide open, with the exception of Pittsburg.
If we can avoid 7th or 8th, we aren't likely to face a team like that
until we've gone pretty deep.

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That is an interesting question. When do we become buyers?

After all, the strong teams in the west are irrelevant to the habs.
Simply getting to play against one of them would be a major success.
And the east looks pretty wide open, with the exception of Pittsburg.
If we can avoid 7th or 8th, we aren't likely to face a team like that
until we've gone pretty deep.
Even if we do face Pittsburgh.. We only have to focus in on 2 players, and we we're pretty successful in doing so 3 years ago. I'm not the least bit impressed with that teams defense corps or goaltending situation. We have a far more "rounded" team than they do, even if they have the two best players in the game.

We have a shot out of the East this year, that much is evident... It's just a question of whether we hold up health wise and if the progression and pace of young players like Diaz, Gallagher and Galchenyuk can keep up. Those three have been vital to our early success and if they come crashing back down to earth we would be pretty vulnerable.

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Oops, forgot what I meant to post.

I think this poll may even have the ratio about right.
Weak opponents may be the least of the factors.
That we are over-performing in some ways is likely.
But mostly, we've been a pretty good team.

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I'd say it's a mix of real deal and easy schedule. Making the playoffs this season is going to happen and that's a vast improvement over last season.

The Habs are in transition and so far I'm happy with the results. MT is so much better than Martin and things are only going to get better in the next few seasons. I'm optimistic.

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Even if we do face Pittsburgh.. We only have to focus in on 2 players, and we we're pretty successful in doing so 3 years ago. I'm not the least bit impressed with that teams defense corps or goaltending situation. We have a far more "rounded" team than they do, even if they have the two best players in the game.

We have a shot out of the East this year, that much is evident... It's just a question of whether we hold up health wise and if the progression and pace of young players like Diaz, Gallagher and Galchenyuk can keep up. Those three have been vital to our early success and if they come crashing back down to earth we would be pretty vulnerable.
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And if whoever we pick up at the deadline really helps fill a hole.

Fleury can be bad at times, and he can be very good. We'll just
have to catch him at the right time.

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The habs have won 11 games out of 16 so far. Taking a look at that stat all on its own one might conclude that they are playing very well...

Stats can be deceiving...

A closer look at the opponents they've beaten:
- Tampa Bay
- Florida (twice)
- Philly
- Carolina
- Buffalo
- Ottawa
- Washington
- Winnepeg
- New Joisey

How many of the above teams will make the playoffs? Exactly. Now shut up.

Next.. its the way they're winning... The habs have only blown out their opponent in one game (Buffalo, 6-1 Victory A MONTH AGO)... The habs have been blown out TWICE (Ottawa, Toronto)... In other words, they are getting blown more than they are blowing.. or blown out? Blown in.. anyway... the blowing goes against the Habs and the rest of the games have been close affairs where the habs have simply won because their opponents made one or two more mistakes than they did. The habs aren't BEATING teams.. they are winning.. but their wins occur from their opponents BEATING THEMSELVES.

Blowing and beating-it, the habs will continue on this run for sure and come out with a winning record, but don't be fooled.. the over the top optimism on this board about the habs is juvenile and doesn't recognize the real factors.. this team is not going anywhere..
Ein...

Just watching this team you can tell their light years ahead of where they were at in pretty much any point during the Martin era.

By your definition, the Blackhawks have only blown out their competition once this season (Phoenix 6-2) Does this mean they're not one of the dominant teams in the league? Because they've only blown out their opponents once?

I don't believe that a team other teams just happen to "beat themselves" in the majority of their games. And if the Habs have been lucky enough to have their opponents "beat themselves" for 11 out 16 games this season, they still need to capitalize on the "one or two mistakes" being made on a nightly basis.

They're still winning by a convincing margin, usually by 2-3 goals which hasn't happened on a consistent basis since god knows when. (2009 maybe?)

They're fifth in goal differential. They're out-shooting their opponents most of the time. They're top 10 in both goals for (9th) and goals against (4th)

Price also hasn't had to steal any games for them, which wasn't the case last year.

Whether or not they can keep up the pace remains to be seen, but if you think the team doesn't deserve the record they have up to this point well then I don't know what to tell you...

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You're not too quick on the uptake, are ya?
Maybe I'm too quick? Ever think of that!?

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That is an interesting question. When do we become buyers?

After all, the strong teams in the west are irrelevant to the habs.
Simply getting to play against one of them would be a major success.
And the east looks pretty wide open, with the exception of Pittsburg.
If we can avoid 7th or 8th, we aren't likely to face a team like that
until we've gone pretty deep.
The habs shouldnt become buyers unless they are adding a piece for the future. They dont give up assets to acquire a rental this year unless someone wants a player that the habs are looking to get rid of anyways, but it usually doesnt work that way.

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Maybe I'm too quick? Ever think of that!?
Well that is one possibility.

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The habs shouldnt become buyers unless they are adding a piece for the future. They dont give up assets to acquire a rental this year unless someone wants a player that the habs are looking to get rid of anyways, but it usually doesnt work that way.
Well that is the idealized model that fans on this board like. But owners,
managers, coaches, players, and a lot of fans like to compete in the play-offs.
Even if they are not one of the top contenders. Therefore the question of buying
does arise.

For the habs to give up much in the way of picks, or prospects, you hope
they get someone that will help in the future, as well as now. But not every
rental player costs huge. And sometimes plugging a specific hole, say face-off
specialist, can make a difference.
So you look at the cost, and decide whether it's worthwhile. And to help
them decide: I personally contract to drink more beer if the habs win a series.

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Of course any improvements they make at the deadline have
unfortunate consequences for the armoured brigade. The Tankers
will have to bite the bullet.

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There's an option missing in the poll: Underachieving!!

I'm quite disappointed with the Habs so far this year... This team has so much more potential. They can only go up from now.

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There's an option missing in the poll: Underachieving!!

I'm quite disappointed with the Habs so far this year... This team has so much more potential. They can only go up from now.
think you forgot this ->

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think you forgot this ->
No, all the way.

What do you expect from a team with a rookie GM and a refurbished coach? Two sophomores and an immature classless diva on the D-squad? Two baby faces on the third line?

This team can only be underachieving! They should logically get better with time... no?

Haaa... OK! -->

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I agree, in some ways this opening stretch is the same as the one they had to start the disaster season just this time the bounces favour Montreal rather than going the other way.

But Montreal's fundamentals are a long stronger than Toronto's. This core group of Habs players tends to be average to above average in the East while the Leafs tend to stink. I can believe Montreal can be an above average team based on a deep offense, two top defenseman and a proven star goaltender. Montreal's successful scorers are largely canceled out by their under performing ones. I'm a bit incredulous that the Leafs will keep up their team wide hot streak on scoring and their goaltending tandem will be as effective moving forward.
I definitely agree with this. Goaltending alone should bare this out.

I think the Leafs make the playoffs this year though. Ottawa has lost Spezza and Karlsson so I think that opens up a spot and other teams are struggling. I think they'll make it by default.
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The Habs aren't the Blackhawks and they're unlikely to maintain their current pace if for no other reason than that a majority of their future games will be played on the road. The opponents they've already beaten will be better prepared for them. However, their record is no fluke. They're a good team and any "surgical tank" they attempt would probably not be sufficient to result in a very high draft pick. Since that's the case, I wish the tankards would stop their yapping and bask in the Habs' unaccustomed high position while it lasts. And if as the trading deadline approaches the Habs have a shot at finishing among the top 5 in the East, perhaps Bergevin should consider trading one or more of their three second round picks in 2013 to acquire a talented veteran for the playoffs.
God I hope this doesn't happen. Esp with the deep draft we have coming up.
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That is an interesting question. When do we become buyers?

After all, the strong teams in the west are irrelevant to the habs.
Simply getting to play against one of them would be a major success.
And the east looks pretty wide open, with the exception of Pittsburg.
If we can avoid 7th or 8th, we aren't likely to face a team like that
until we've gone pretty deep.
The East actually is wide open this year. But we shouldn't waste picks on a longshot run to the cup. I'd still prefer we stack the deck going forward but I'd be happy with just standing pat.

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I definitely agree with this. Goaltending alone should bare this out.

I think the Leafs make the playoffs this year though. Ottawa has lost Spezza and Karlsson so I think that opens up a spot and other teams are struggling. I think they'll make it by default.

God I hope this doesn't happen. Esp with the deep draft we have coming up.

The East actually is wide open this year. But we shouldn't waste picks on a longshot run to the cup. I'd still prefer we stack the deck going forward but I'd be happy with just standing pat.
Maybe it's an age thing. By the time those 2nd round picks contribute
to a cup, I'll be to old to celebrate properly. So screw all you young pups,
we're going b**ls to the wall now.

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Maybe it's an age thing. By the time those 2nd round picks contribute
to a cup, I'll be to old to celebrate properly. So screw all you young pups,
we're going b**ls to the wall now.
It's a marathon not a sprint and we're not real contenders yet. Also, its a deep draft. If we improve again next year, then we can try it then. Not this season though.

If we're going to deal some 2nds, it should be to move up in the draft, not for a rental.

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