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02-21-2013, 03:51 PM
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I don't think temporary solutions are advisable at this point. This isn't a playoff team at present. The larger question that must be answered...how many years is it going to take for this team to be a serious contender? And if the answer is 4 to 5 years you need to seriously ask if Miller, Vanek, and Pommers are part of that team. Otherwise...you are coming into a deep draft with three prime assets...possibly four if they give up on Myers and include him as part of that group. Decisions are going to have to be made.

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02-21-2013, 04:37 PM
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I don't think temporary solutions are advisable at this point. This isn't a playoff team at present. The larger question that must be answered...how many years is it going to take for this team to be a serious contender? And if the answer is 4 to 5 years you need to seriously ask if Miller, Vanek, and Pommers are part of that team. Otherwise...you are coming into a deep draft with three prime assets...possibly four if they give up on Myers and include him as part of that group. Decisions are going to have to be made.

We could just trade the whole team away and make a team out of the first round of the 2013 draft!

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02-21-2013, 05:08 PM
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We could just trade the whole team away and make a team out of the first round of the 2013 draft!
I know you are joking but I think we should be looking at the 2007 to 2010 draft and stock up on as many 20 to 24 year olds as we can and build a core around them.

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02-21-2013, 05:20 PM
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We could just trade the whole team away and make a team out of the first round of the 2013 draft!
I wonder how a team would have made out if they had done that in 03


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Kostitsyn- Richards- Eaves
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02-21-2013, 05:26 PM
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I should be clear that I am not endorsing that strategy...merely saying that we are at a cross-roads with a few members of the "old guard"...The franchise will have to decide in the next 12 months what the priority is...try and win now with what we have plus an addition here and there, or reload and build around yet another young core of players.

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It would make my year if Darcy could engineering a Myers for O'Reilly trade.
He!! no---

Myers gets traded for an absolute certain star player who is young...not a third line center.

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02-21-2013, 08:58 PM
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He!! no---

Myers gets traded for an absolute certain star player who is young...not a third line center.
ROR would be our new Chris Drury. If we could pull off a Myers + pick/McCabe/JGL for ROR + (A young defenseman, like when they foolishly traded Shattenkirk along with Stewart a few years ago) we would be set. A few more moves would be needed, but that would be a great start.

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02-21-2013, 09:00 PM
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He!! no---

Myers gets traded for an absolute certain star player who is young...not a third line center.
You just called O'Reilly a third line center.

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02-21-2013, 09:05 PM
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He!! no---

Myers gets traded for an absolute certain star player who is young...not a third line center.
Go back a few pages...this has already been discussed to death. But FWIW, Myers is significantly worse at his job (consistently being a top 4 dman) than O'Reilly is at his (being a 2 way shutdown center)

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Go back a few pages...this has already been discussed to death. But FWIW, Myers is significantly worse at his job (consistently being a top 4 dman) than O'Reilly is at his (being a 2 way shutdown center)
I look at this way - would you trade Myers for a young Patrice Bergeron?

DUH. Yes. Every single time.

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02-21-2013, 09:49 PM
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Trade Ennis + Leopold for Colin Wilson and a salary dump.
Trade stafford, pominville for as good defensmen you could get.

Try to get armia from europe.
Let grigorenko play.

Lineup:
Vanek - Hodgson - Ott
Leino - Grigorenko - Armia
Foligno - Wilson - Kaleta
Hecht - Porter - Scott

Sekera - Myers
Weber - Ehrhoff
Sulzer - McNabb

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02-21-2013, 09:56 PM
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Trade Ennis + Leopold for Colin Wilson and a salary dump.
Trade stafford, pominville for as good defensmen you could get.

Try to get armia from europe.
Let grigorenko play.

Lineup:
Vanek - Hodgson - Ott
Leino - Grigorenko - Armia
Foligno - Wilson - Kaleta
Hecht - Porter - Scott

Sekera - Myers
Weber - Ehrhoff
Sulzer - McNabb

Miller
Leino's probably out for the year, in case you didn't know.
Without ennis, we are easily the slowest team in the league (I like Wilson but I think he's mostly a winger, and we're already short on centers)
This team's already doing enough on its own to tank, I don't wanna stunt armia and grigs' development paths.

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02-21-2013, 10:01 PM
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Why package 2 guys capable of scoring 20-30 goals a season for one defenceman. Unless we get a true number one back making Myers expendable to fill the holes you created it doesn't make sense.

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I don't think temporary solutions are advisable at this point. This isn't a playoff team at present. The larger question that must be answered...how many years is it going to take for this team to be a serious contender? And if the answer is 4 to 5 years you need to seriously ask if Miller, Vanek, and Pommers are part of that team. Otherwise...you are coming into a deep draft with three prime assets...possibly four if they give up on Myers and include him as part of that group. Decisions are going to have to be made.
New experienced GM.
New experienced Head Coach.

Purge the old guard. They never won anything. They never will win anything. People around here beg for a cup quality team, yet they cling to old horses like Miller and Vanek. Good players. Get something for them.

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02-21-2013, 10:08 PM
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Trade Ennis + Leopold for Colin Wilson and a salary dump.
Trade stafford, pominville for as good defensmen you could get.

Try to get armia from europe.
Let grigorenko play.

Lineup:
Vanek - Hodgson - Ott
Leino - Grigorenko - Armia
Foligno - Wilson - Kaleta
Hecht - Porter - Scott

Sekera - Myers
Weber - Ehrhoff
Sulzer - McNabb

Miller
You can't get Armia from Europe and I'm not sure why you'd want to... he's certainly not ready for the NHL. This line-up is about 10x worse than our current one.

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Oh, i missed that Leino is out for the season. ok, then lets trade Pominville for Wilson + cond. pick and a salary dump.

Trade Stafford, Leopold and Brennan to the Islanders for Grabner and Bailey.

Vanek - Hodgson - Bailey
Foligno - Ennis - Grabner
Wilson - Grigorenko - Ott
Hecht - Porter - Scott

Sekera - Myers
Weber - Ehrhoff
Sulzer - Mcnabb
Regehr

Miller

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You can't get Armia from Europe and I'm not sure why you'd want to... he's certainly not ready for the NHL. This line-up is about 10x worse than our current one.
Are you sure that's even possible?

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02-21-2013, 10:20 PM
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I say it won't get worse than it is now. let the youth play. let's give 'em nhl experience.

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02-21-2013, 10:22 PM
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Does Ottawa need a defenseman? I'd love to ship Leopold or Regehr to them and get Ben Bishop in return (after Anderson returns from his day-to-day injury).

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I say it won't get worse than it is now. let the youth play. let's give 'em nhl experience.
That's a good way to end up just like the perennial bottom feeders of the league.
They love to rush kids into the league just to get them experience, regardless of if they are actually ready for it or not.
Players can get their NHL experience when they've put in the work and have matured to the point of being ready for it.

Look no further than the bungled rookie seasons of our saviors to this point for proof that throwing kids into situations in which they are in over their heads is not the best idea out there.

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02-21-2013, 10:40 PM
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Trade Ennis + Leopold for Colin Wilson and a salary dump.
Trade stafford, pominville for as good defensmen you could get.

Try to get armia from europe.
Let grigorenko play.

Lineup:
Vanek - Hodgson - Ott
Leino - Grigorenko - Armia
Foligno - Wilson - Kaleta
Hecht - Porter - Scott

Sekera - Myers
Weber - Ehrhoff
Sulzer - McNabb

Miller
Just what we need, more slower players. Let alone I would rather have Ennis. I am glad that we at least have a decent GM after seeing some of these proposals.

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I am glad that we at least have a decent GM after seeing some of these proposals.
Patting yourself on the back again Darcy? but ya ennis>wilson IMO

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Patting yourself on the back again Darcy? but ya ennis>wilson IMO
wish I could change my name back

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Rebuild in mind, the Sabres biggest need is for a leader who is a big voice in the locker room, and executes at a high level on the ice. The team is listless and leaderless on the ice. Maybe O'Reilly is that guy. Maybe Buffalo could get Iginla to sign over the summer.

Makes the Shane Doan saga seem clearer.

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Rebuild in mind, the Sabres biggest need is for a leader who is a big voice in the locker room, and executes at a high level on the ice. The team is listless and leaderless on the ice. Maybe O'Reilly is that guy. Maybe Buffalo could get Iginla to sign over the summer.

Makes the Shane Doan saga seem clearer.
But that begs the question why players like Doan and Iginla would ever want to come here in the twilight of their careers? I assume they want to win a Cup. Do they look at this roster and think they'd make it a Cup contender? Signing with us would be like re-signing with Calgary, for all intents and purposes. Even with their perpetual talent bleed, Tippett still gets Phoenix in a better position to win than us.

This is why I don't see a Perry or Getzlaf signing here. (Besides that young guys without families usually don't bend over backwards to get here.) We're not close to winning anything. If we're smart, the next GM will get some hard-working character guys on value deals to put around the talent we should be able to draft in the next year or two.

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