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02-22-2013, 08:49 AM
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Stafford seems more realistic than the other names we've seen. I guess Dupuis would move to 3rd Line then TK can wash cars?

Now all we need is a coach.
If we acquire Stafford, then we still need another wing, say a David Jones for Geno. Then we keep Kunitz with Sid; put Jones on Geno's left and put Duper with Cooke and Sutter. Those moves make the Pens far more difficult to play against. Maybe pick up Murray for the backend.

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I can't see Kulemin being traded by the Leafs. The Pens would offer prospects/picks and those do nothing for the Leafs.

I honestly don't see the Leafs doing anything major during the trade deadline...Kulemin is very important to the Leafs defensively and on the PK.

The only winger I see being traded from the Leafs would be a guy like MacArthur for a 2nd round pick or around there. He would be good for the Pens, he's a 20 goal scorer and puts up ~45 points. If he's on a line with Malkin/Crosby, he should get like 50-55 points at least.
Thanks for bursting my bubble . . .

BTW, I don't disagree about Kulemin likely staying. Randy Carlyle likes a roster with two scoring lines, a true shut down line, and a fourth line comprised of specialists. It was his MO in Anaheim, and it's how he's set his lines in Toronto.

I too see MacArthur going first, because the odds are that any offers for Kulemin won't go much beyond the stat sheet.

My comment was less about what will happen than an expression of hope that Ray Shero would entertain giving Toronto value beyond the third line role Carlyle has given Kulemin (I doubt it).

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Kirk you know i'm not against Shero going out and getting Kulemin, but right now I just don't see it happening unless we overpay like crazy. Hope I'm wring and that Ray can find a way to fleece Nonnis
You're not going to fleece Nonis for him. He's got no reason to move him for the type of deal a 'fleecing' would be. Again, I was speaking more to the idea that giving the type of return that would make a majority of people here want to puke actually would prove to be a bargain when all was said and done.

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From what we know, we have reports confirming that the Pens were scouting the Wild twice (by Shero himself as well as one of our head scouts, Don Waddell), one of which was against the Avs. There was also another source who confirmed that both the Avs & Wild scouted the Pens-Sens game (the one where Karlsson got sliced by Cookie). These are teams that we will not play this year, and therefore, its safe to say that its to scout some players. There's always the possibility that they've scouted each other on more occasions but there wasn't anybody to report it.

What I'm trying to get at is that we can dream all day long about acquiring Iginla, Perry, Clowe, Stewart, Mueller... but unless I see confirmed reports of either team scouting each other, it's difficult to see them making a move. I don't want to trick myself into thinking that a deal will happen for a player that we haven't even bothered scouting, especially when they would carry a high cost to acquire.

I reralize that Seto & Cullen are not as sexy as some pleople wuld like but the bottom line is that they can possibly do the job at a very reasonable cost. If there's a deal to be made that would improve our team without creating any major holes in our line-up or jeopardizing our future, why not.

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If we acquire Stafford, then we still need another wing, say a David Jones for Geno. Then we keep Kunitz with Sid; put Jones on Geno's left and put Duper with Cooke and Sutter. Those moves make the Pens far more difficult to play against. Maybe pick up Murray for the backend.
Acquiring Jones & Stafford may be problematic dur to cap reasons. If Shero wants to retain cap flexibility so he can re-sign Geno & Letang this year, Jones & Stafford will not help him achieve that unless we ship out higher salaried players like Martin or Orpik or Kunitz.

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Acquiring Jones & Stafford may be problematic dur to cap reasons. If Shero wants to retain cap flexibility so he can re-sign Geno & Letang this year, Jones & Stafford will not help him achieve that unless we ship out higher salaried players like Martin or Orpik or Kunitz.
Not if you don't hang onto Cooke and Kennedy and keep Dupuis for the 3rd line RW.

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This thread is just like the movie Groundhog Day...

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This thread is just like the movie Groundhog Day...
thats why i hope we go after a kid that will be with us for awhile and not some over the hill quik-fix

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This thread is just like the movie Groundhog Day...
Indeed it is my friend.

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The raise Pascal Dupuis is going to get when he comes due, putting him on the 3rd line probably isn't the best idea.

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The raise Pascal Dupuis is going to get when he comes due, putting him on the 3rd line probably isn't the best idea.
I actually dont see Dupuis getting much of a raise. Not because he doesnt deserve it, but because I think he likes it in Pittsburgh and he sees where he fits in. I could see a 2 year deal at 1.75M per

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The raise Pascal Dupuis is going to get when he comes due, putting him on the 3rd line probably isn't the best idea.
Eh, I don't know. If we can pay Kennedy 2mil on the 3rd line, I don't see why we can't pay 2.25-2.5 for Duper there. I have my doubts that he is going to seek some crazy raise. I would move Kennedy either in season or off season, sign Duper in his spot on the 3rd line and give Bennett a spot in the top 6. So really, you only NEED 1 top 6 winger for next season.

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I actually dont see Dupuis getting much of a raise. Not because he doesnt deserve it, but because I think he likes it in Pittsburgh and he sees where he fits in. I could see a 2 year deal at 1.75M per
I would be shocked if he turned down a raise that should be around 1.1 million dollars. To have a basis for comparison, both Cooke and Kennedy make 2 million dollars, and they aren't as good as Dupuis.

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Just spit-balling, but maybe a three way deal with Toronto and Colorado could be worked out sending O'Reilly to Toronto and Kulemin to Pittsburgh.

Something like...

To Pit: Kulemin
To Tor: O'Reilly
To Col: Maatta, Kennedy, Tor 1st

Not sure the value is there for all teams involved but just a thought.

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I actually dont see Dupuis getting much of a raise. Not because he doesnt deserve it, but because I think he likes it in Pittsburgh and he sees where he fits in. I could see a 2 year deal at 1.75M per
I had to let Dupuis walk 'cause he didn't want to sign under 2,5 million or something in NHL 13.


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I would be shocked if he turned down a raise that should be around 1.1 million dollars. To have a basis for comparison, both Cooke and Kennedy make 2 million dollars, and they aren't as good as Dupuis.
Well Kennedy has largely disappointed since he signed his raise. He got 2mil after scoring 20 goals so there were some expectations there. Cooke makes 1.8 so not quite 2 and I agree Duper is due for a raise, I just don't think it will be anymore than 2.5mil.

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This thread is just like the movie Groundhog Day...
So one of us has to sleep with Stewart or Iginla for this to end?>

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Acquiring Jones & Stafford may be problematic dur to cap reasons. If Shero wants to retain cap flexibility so he can re-sign Geno & Letang this year, Jones & Stafford will not help him achieve that unless we ship out higher salaried players like Martin or Orpik or Kunitz.
I agree about the potential cap difficulties. I would expect that you'd be moving out Kennedy, Niskanen, Jeffrey, and could see a buy out of either Martin or Orpik in the off season. Jones and Stafford together are only a little greater cap hit than Iggy, but will possibly be around alot longer since they are 28 & 27.

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So one of us has to sleep with Stewart or Iginla for this to end?>
So who's going to take one for the team?

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I agree about the potential cap difficulties. I would expect that you'd be moving out Kennedy, Niskanen, Jeffrey, and could see a buy out of either Martin or Orpik in the off season. Jones and Stafford together are only a little greater cap hit than Iggy, but will possibly be around alot longer since they are 28 & 27.
Is not 3 young guys on D not enough?

Elder.

Orpik, Martin, Letang, Engelland

Young D.

Despres, Bortuzzo, Morrow

Take your pick for number 8 of Dumoulin, Reese, Samuelsson

I'm gonna find it hard for them to where they need to use a buyout. That's obviously if those players you mentioned get traded.

I'm probably leaning towards on of either Despres or Bortuzzo being must haves in trades for other GM's. I'd almost say Bortuzzo is a not trade at any cost because of his physicality, and the fact this team is loaded with PMD's. Despres>><Dumoulin, but will be more equal as soon as next season. Despres leads only due to actually being in the NHL and has served the team and himself well. Despres is much more easily replaced.

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Now here's something that'll heat up this thread...

Sorry guys but I can't post it using my tablet... Check out Russo's Twitter. He mentions chatting with Don Waddell who is scouting Minny & Edmonton tonight and currently on a super long scouting trip. So far, based on tonight game, interesting how it involves 2 teams we won't play this year who have surplus of forwards and looking for help on D.
Here's the Link: https://twitter.com/Russostrib/statu...77266766942208

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Always fun talking hockey with former #thrashers GM Don Waddell. He's here scouting for the #penguins. He's on a super long trip seeing gms

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It does seem like no matter how much Ray and Dan feel prickly about the idea they are going to have to rely on some young defensemen to fill the bottom two or three spots on d soon. We just don't have the cap flexibility moving forward. We need some guys on ELC's.

It would be a tremendous boon if Bennett is ready next year as well.

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Is not 3 young guys on D not enough?

Elder.

Orpik, Martin, Letang, Engelland

Young D.

Despres, Bortuzzo, Morrow

Take your pick for number 8 of Dumoulin, Reese, Samuelsson

I'm gonna find it hard for them to where they need to use a buyout. That's obviously if those players you mentioned get traded.

I'm probably leaning towards on of either Despres or Bortuzzo being must haves in trades for other GM's. I'd almost say Bortuzzo is a not trade at any cost because of his physicality, and the fact this team is loaded with PMD's. Despres>><Dumoulin, but will be more equal as soon as next season. Despres leads only due to actually being in the NHL and has served the team and himself well. Despres is much more easily replaced.
Morrow is the guy to deal IMO. Despres is more attractive since he's playing now, but I think Shero could get a GM to think almost a highly of Morrow since we'll prob be dealing with teams who can wait til next year, when I assume Morrow will at least be capable if playing at this level. Pouliot and Maata are too much unknowns (pardon my grammar) to garner the right value right now. Morrow is the guy for me unless its Despres or no deal and its either that or no we miss out on an upgrade.

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It's tough for me to decide who to keep between Morrow and Despres. Morrow fills a need down the line for a true PP quarterback, but we also have Pouliot in the system for that. Morrow looks like he could be another Letang though. He's got such tremendous skating and talent.

Despres' size and skating profiles him as our next Orpik. He doesn't quite have the bulk Orpik does but he might down the line and he looks to be more talented offensively. 6 4 defensemen who can skate like Despres are rare indeed and he's got the tools to be a huge minute eater.

I do like how varied our blue chippers are. Despres, Morrow, Pouliot, and Maatta are all very different prospects with very different skillsets.

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when speaking of Kulemin, I was browsing through some stats and found out that Matt Frattin has the best points and goals per minutes in game in the entire league. He plays only 12.5 minutes per game played only 10 games, does anyone know what's the deal with him?

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I'd rather deal Despres, bring in a vet #4/5 D and have Dumoulin and Morrow play for us next season. Everything that Despres brings, can be replaced by those two. Morrow is too valuable to us to move.

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