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02-22-2013, 11:12 AM
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Boyle, Eminger
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Rangers get two UFA rentals. Sharks get Eminger for spare D and Boyle for 3rd line C( 1 yr at 1.7 left )

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02-22-2013, 11:35 AM
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Boyle, Eminger
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Rangers get two UFA rentals. Sharks get Eminger for spare D and Boyle for 3rd line C( 1 yr at 1.7 left )
Don't need spare D.

Don't really mind Boyle, though I see him as more of a 4th liner, but we'd need to get rid of Burish to do that.

Also, Handzus has a NTC, so that pretty much kills the whole plan. Also we have Sheppard/Gomez who could take over 3rd line center duties if need be.

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02-22-2013, 11:43 AM
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Don't need spare D.

Don't really mind Boyle, though I see him as more of a 4th liner, but we'd need to get rid of Burish to do that.

Also, Handzus has a NTC, so that pretty much kills the whole plan. Also we have Sheppard/Gomez who could take over 3rd line center duties if need be.
What would it cost to get Sheppard? Braun?

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What would it cost to get Sheppard? Braun?
The players we would likely have interest in would be Hagelin, Kreider, Callahan. I doubt Callahan is available of course, or Kreider, just saying those are the players the Sharks would have value in at this point. We don't have any major holes and all we would be looking for are young wingers with top-6 upside. As far as who would be available, I would guess primarily Clowe, Murray, Demers, Braun, Irwin, Burish, Galiardi, any prospect not named Hertl, any pick. Of course, depending on the player coming back.

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The players we would likely have interest in would be Hagelin, Kreider, Callahan. I doubt Callahan is available of course, or Kreider, just saying those are the players the Sharks would have value in at this point. We don't have any major holes and all we would be looking for are young wingers with top-6 upside. As far as who would be available, I would guess primarily Clowe, Murray, Demers, Braun, Irwin, Burish, Galiardi, any prospect not named Hertl, any pick. Of course, depending on the player coming back.
I'd love to get Callahan but none of those players would cut it
Caly + Kreider/Hagelin for Jumbo would be an interesting trade, he would waive to play with his bff Nash right

Really though, Clowe, Braun/Demers for Krieder/Hagelin would help out both teams, Sharks still might need to add depending on exact package.

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Don't need spare D.

Don't really mind Boyle, though I see him as more of a 4th liner, but we'd need to get rid of Burish to do that.

Also, Handzus has a NTC, so that pretty much kills the whole plan. Also we have Sheppard/Gomez who could take over 3rd line center duties if need be.
can Burish play C? If so maybe. Murray is the key for the Rangers

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can Burish play C? If so maybe. Murray is the key for the Rangers
Yes, he is a natural center.

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I'd love to get Callahan but none of those players would cut it
Caly + Kreider/Hagelin for Jumbo would be an interesting trade, he would waive to play with his bff Nash right

Really though, Clowe, Braun/Demers for Krieder/Hagelin would help out both teams, Sharks still might need to add depending on exact package.
Rangers are not looking to move Kreider or Hagelin. And as you said Callahan is the captain, he is not going anywhere.
James Sheppard seems to have recovered nicely from the injury and is playing well. Good for him. His value has definitely gone up and he is probably part of the future for you guys.
Since you have so much defensive depth, I was thinking more along the lines Braun for a mid round pick.
Rangers do not have a 4th, would a 3rd do it?

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Since you have so much defensive depth, I was thinking more along the lines Braun for a mid round pick.
Rangers do not have a 4th, would a 3rd do it?
We have no reason to give up a promising young #5/6 defenseman to what will amount to scrap.

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Rangers are not looking to move Kreider or Hagelin. And as you said Callahan is the captain, he is not going anywhere.
James Sheppard seems to have recovered nicely from the injury and is playing well. Good for him. His value has definitely gone up and he is probably part of the future for you guys.
Since you have so much defensive depth, I was thinking more along the lines Braun for a mid round pick.
Rangers do not have a 4th, would a 3rd do it?
No, Braun is an NHL defensemen with top-4 upside. Long term, two way, #3/#4 defensemen is basically what he will be (pretty much is now). They are worth more than a 3rd. Plus we are not looking to dump players like that for picks, especially low picks. You want Douglas Murray for a 3rd? Done, but Demers/Braun are only moving if we are getting a hole filled, and the only hole we have is young wingers.

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Rangers are not looking to move Kreider or Hagelin. And as you said Callahan is the captain, he is not going anywhere.
James Sheppard seems to have recovered nicely from the injury and is playing well. Good for him. His value has definitely gone up and he is probably part of the future for you guys.
Since you have so much defensive depth, I was thinking more along the lines Braun for a mid round pick.
Rangers do not have a 4th, would a 3rd do it?
So your pieces of value are off limits....but the sharks should trade a promising young d-man with upside for a 3rd.... get real, or keep your terrible ideas to yourself.

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can Burish play C? If so maybe. Murray is the key for the Rangers
You wouldn't want to go there though - Burish is signed for another 3 years after this one at that horrendous cap hit of 1.8 mil... although the Rangers do have deep pockets and can afford to buy him out this summer.

Hell, I'd package Murray + Burish for not much. People last year kept saying a 2nd for Murray was fair... I'd take a 2nd and run.

A third and a middle forward prospect for Worcester and I'd pull the trigger.

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02-22-2013, 12:28 PM
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So your pieces of value are off limits....but the sharks should trade a promising young d-man with upside for a 3rd.... get real, or keep your terrible ideas to yourself.
Kreider and Hagelin are like our two best young prospects. Without Hagelin we'd be like last in the East right now and Kreider is our entire future. Callahan would only be involved in a stupid trade.

Rangers don't need pieces to round them out, not jumbo joe who can't perform when it counts.

Murray is what i'd be interested in.

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Kreider and Hagelin are like our two best young prospects. Without Hagelin we'd be like last in the East right now and Kreider is our entire future. Callahan would only be involved in a stupid trade.

Rangers don't need pieces to round them out, not jumbo joe who can't perform when it counts.

Murray is what i'd be interested in.
Then send us a 3rd, and done.

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Kreider and Hagelin are like our two best young prospects. Without Hagelin we'd be like last in the East right now and Kreider is our entire future. Callahan would only be involved in a stupid trade.

Rangers don't need pieces to round them out, not jumbo joe who can't perform when it counts.

Murray is what i'd be interested in.
Nice dig at JT, classy. Guess you haven't watched the playoffs since 2009 have you?

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Nice dig at JT, classy. Guess you haven't watched the playoffs since 2009 have you?
He's been fine, yet San Jose has never taken that next step.

Regardless, we're not going to trade two huge young pieces of our future for an aging Thornton.

years ago, i would have said the rangers would certainly do this, not nowadays.

Kreider and Hagelin are both in there young 20's and are going to be top 6 players for a long time on the rangers.

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Kreider and Hagelin are like our two best young prospects. Without Hagelin we'd be like last in the East right now and Kreider is our entire future. Callahan would only be involved in a stupid trade.

Rangers don't need pieces to round them out, not jumbo joe who can't perform when it counts.

Murray is what i'd be interested in.
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Nice dig at JT, classy. Guess you haven't watched the playoffs since 2009 have you?
Not only do you take a pot shot at JT when you have no idea what you are talking about as you clearly haven't watched the sharks in the playoffs for years, but that comment has nothing to do with what you are talking about and instead of bringing some real facts to your statement it makes you look like you have no idea what your talking about, which at this point i would believe is the truth.

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He's been fine, yet San Jose has never taken that next step.
Thanks for clarifying. All this time I thought hockey was a team sport.

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I was trying to be pretty respectful here and not trashing any rangers players, in fact I didn't see anyone do that, so I don't see why you would start trashing our players.

We need young top-6 forwards, thats it. We don't need more bottom-6 guys, more defensemen, etc. You asked, I answered. If you don't like the answer, thats totally cool (and I get it), but it's the truth. We have no need for Eminger or Boyle, at all, and we are not desperately looking to dump anyone. Murray would be cheap, that's about it. Everyone else is only available for things that we actually need.

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No interest in Boyle. But you can have Handzus and Murray for a 2nd+prospect. I don't even want Eminger for free.

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Thanks for clarifying. All this time I thought hockey was a team sport.
Yea, I don't know that.

JT was brought in to help them win a cup. Believe what you want, but when big players aren't on a team that delivers they get knocked for it. It's always been that way and always will be, regardless of what the fans of each specific team want to say.

Lundqvist is arguably the greatest Rangers goalie in team history (or at least he will be once he retires) yet i can admit, if he doesn't win a cup, he will always be knocked for it, as he should be.

Anyways, I know JT has been good in the playoffs the past couple years, but I shouldn't have said that, since the argument is moot.

Regardless, Rangers aren't going to trade 2 massive pieces of there top 6 future, for an aging JT, who while still a top notch player, just doesn't make sense for us to sacrifice the pieces it would take.

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Yea, I don't know that.

JT was brought in to help them win a cup. Believe what you want, but when big players aren't on a team that delivers they get knocked for it. It's always been that way and always will be, regardless of what the fans of each specific team want to say.

Lundqvist is arguably the greatest Rangers goalie in team history (or at least he will be once he retires) yet i can admit, if he doesn't win a cup, he will always be knocked for it, as he should be.

Anyways, I know JT has been good in the playoffs the past couple years, but I shouldn't have said that, since the argument is moot.

Regardless, Rangers aren't going to trade 2 massive pieces of there top 6 future, for an aging JT, who while still a top notch player, just doesn't make sense for us to sacrifice the pieces it would take.
There's a difference between saying "always be knocked for it" and saying "can't perform when it counts". The Rangers haven't gotten the hump, could I say that Lundqvist can't perform when it counts and he's just a regular season goalie?
If you just said the bolded that would have been fine. But by adding the stereotypical "choking" label, it really lowers your credibility since it shows how little you know about Thornton.

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Yea, I don't know that.

JT was brought in to help them win a cup. Believe what you want, but when big players aren't on a team that delivers they get knocked for it. It's always been that way and always will be, regardless of what the fans of each specific team want to say.

Lundqvist is arguably the greatest Rangers goalie in team history (or at least he will be once he retires) yet i can admit, if he doesn't win a cup, he will always be knocked for it, as he should be.

Anyways, I know JT has been good in the playoffs the past couple years, but I shouldn't have said that, since the argument is moot.

Regardless, Rangers aren't going to trade 2 massive pieces of there top 6 future, for an aging JT, who while still a top notch player, just doesn't make sense for us to sacrifice the pieces it would take.
No one really suggested that, it was clearly a joke. Sharks wouldn't do it anyway simply for the fact that JT sells tickets and they are not going to mess with that.

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So your pieces of value are off limits....but the sharks should trade a promising young d-man with upside for a 3rd.... get real, or keep your terrible ideas to yourself.
In what world would the Rangers trade Kreider/Hagelin for #6 guy, promising but still depth dman at this point?
That is laughable.

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In what world would the Rangers trade Kreider/Hagelin for #6 guy, promising but still depth dman at this point?
That is laughable.
Meanwhile Kreider is a healthy scratch. So you could say that he's 'promising, but still a depth forward at this point', right? Or does that only happen with Sharks players?

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